afc "We had Barasi, Maldini, Nesta now Senderos"

[Lenny]

Wenger knows what he's doing & f*ck you fickle lot.I cant be bothered to argue but all I'm saying is this, show me the person who wanted Senderos at Arsenal after the Liverpool CL game or after the Blackburn FA Cup game, etc...

DEADED NEARLY EVERY ARSENAL FAN ON HERE.ANG TITE TF EACH AND EVERY.

All this Wenger knows what hes doing is getting Jarringhe could field a 1st 11 full of defenders and certain man will still find a way to justify it. The levels have dropped when it comes to us, and allow the fickle talk, hes brought the club forward yes. But seems to have become complacent in a sense..Ryan and Sho know my views anyway, cant be f*cked to go on another rant.

[TF S4DK]

Senderos has lost all faith from a LARGE section of Arsenal supporters. FACT.Regardless of how much Wenger rates him or how good he could become, once your own fans have no faith in you, something has to give, do people not hear the grumbles when he plays??? Next to Eboue, he the most un-rated player and whats worst for him is unlike Eboue he actually plays in his preferred position & only has himself to blame...When we signed Silvestre I imagined/thought it was for him to play as back-up left-back & the one to step in against the TOP teams/strikers when Toure or Gallas are not available, and take the pressure off Senderos so he can rebuild & grow, as unfortunately with Senderos you know the games he gonna play bad in (against pace, strength or both), while I'll never like the signing of Silvestre (cos he a scummy United c*nt who stays injured), to a degree it made sense (and dare I say its the equalialent signing to getting Thuram who I think Wenger wanted to get until he saw Thuram at the Euros, and the experienced defender you all wanted). Now what I didnt realise is that Senderos is actually fifth (well infact sixth) choice CB in Wenger's eyes, when I assumed he was fourth...All I'm gonna say is in about ten days Wenger has disposed of Hoyte, Traore, & Senderos... Now as small as the squad is because of this, just think back to the aftermath of certain games last season and them three players & I REALLY need say no more.

[will h]

In 3/4 years time senderos will be considered one of the best cb in europe, i'm confident of that.He doesn't rely on his athletic ability like richards, kolo etc which go down as u get older. Like john terry, he relies on positioning and his ability to read the game. 2 things that will come as he gets older and with more playing time.

[darkman]

Trust TF to reach for the technicalities & loopholes...

Good ol' TF....

[Guest Robinho]

never rated senderosand haven't commented on how i feel about his loanwe should sell him if we can though, i don't see him holding it down for years to come in an arsenal shirtand the only man i really remember for rating senderos no matter what is ryan

[Guest Van Der Wavy]

Senderos has lost all faith from a LARGE section of Arsenal supporters. FACT.Regardless of how much Wenger rates him or how good he could become, once your own fans have no faith in you, something has to give, do people not hear the grumbles when he plays??? Next to Eboue, he the most un-rated player and whats worst for him is unlike Eboue he actually plays in his preferred position & only has himself to blame...When we signed Silvestre I imagined/thought it was for him to play as back-up left-back & the one to step in against the TOP teams/strikers when Toure or Gallas are not available, and take the pressure off Senderos so he can rebuild & grow, as unfortunately with Senderos you know the games he gonna play bad in (against pace, strength or both), while I'll never like the signing of Silvestre (cos he a scummy United c*nt who stays injured), to a degree it made sense (and dare I say its the equalialent signing to getting Thuram who I think Wenger wanted to get until he saw Thuram at the Euros, and the experienced defender you all wanted). Now what I didnt realise is that Senderos is actually fifth (well infact sixth) choice CB in Wenger's eyes, when I assumed he was fourth...All I'm gonna say is in about ten days Wenger has disposed of Hoyte, Traore, & Senderos... Now as small as the squad is because of this, just think back to the aftermath of certain games last season and them three players & I REALLY need say no more.

I'll counter this tomorrow, too tired right now.But for the most part, what you said is bullshit.

[MEIRELES.]

Got a feeling Senderos will smack it at AC MilanHe has the potential to be top drawer and with Nesta and Maldini around him he can prosperHe will do a CyganLook at how Cygan killed it in Spain in his 1st season.. Guy was SOLIDWenger cannot teach raw centrebacks... Djourou, Cygan and Senderos are prime examples.. And to be attempting to convert Song.. Into a centreback.. Is the biggest joke.. Wengers lost the f*ck*ng plot. Gone AWOL.

[HangTheDJ]

lmaomurko is sick

[Necksta]

Lol at Senderos.Any bean head.And lol at a club of Milan's size signing him..

[Francis Coquelin]

Predict the majority of fans will end up with egg on their faces if this deal goes permanent.Lets see who the new scapegoat is this season.

Got a feeling Senderos will smack it at AC MilanHe has the potential to be top drawer and with Nesta and Maldini around him he can prosperHe will do a CyganLook at how Cygan killed it in Spain in his 1st season.. Guy was SOLIDWenger cannot teach raw centrebacks... Djourou, Cygan and Senderos are prime examples.. And to be attempting to convert Song.. Into a centreback.. Is the biggest joke.. Wengers lost the f*ck*ng plot. Gone AWOL.

don't get much rawer a centre back than djourou clown

[Lenny]

TrussMurko has NO knowledge on football what so evercome like a woman

[Guest Van Der Wavy]

Senderos has lost all faith from a LARGE section of Arsenal supporters. FACT.Regardless of how much Wenger rates him or how good he could become, once your own fans have no faith in you, something has to give, do people not hear the grumbles when he plays??? Next to Eboue, he the most un-rated player and whats worst for him is unlike Eboue he actually plays in his preferred position & only has himself to blame...When we signed Silvestre I imagined/thought it was for him to play as back-up left-back & the one to step in against the TOP teams/strikers when Toure or Gallas are not available, and take the pressure off Senderos so he can rebuild & grow, as unfortunately with Senderos you know the games he gonna play bad in (against pace, strength or both), while I'll never like the signing of Silvestre (cos he a scummy United c*nt who stays injured), to a degree it made sense (and dare I say its the equalialent signing to getting Thuram who I think Wenger wanted to get until he saw Thuram at the Euros, and the experienced defender you all wanted). Now what I didnt realise is that Senderos is actually fifth (well infact sixth) choice CB in Wenger's eyes, when I assumed he was fourth...All I'm gonna say is in about ten days Wenger has disposed of Hoyte, Traore, & Senderos... Now as small as the squad is because of this, just think back to the aftermath of certain games last season and them three players & I REALLY need say no more.

I'll counter this tomorrow, too tired right now.But for the most part, what you said is bullshit.

TBH, after some thought, I'd agree with you on the middle paragraph mostly but the 1st & 3d makes no sense.Since when did the opinions of fan's play a factor in Wenger's decisions to sell players? Because if that was the case, Eboue would've been more likely to get sold but for some bizarre reason, he's guaranteed a 1st team place. If what the fans think REALLY mattered, even Walcott wouldn't have played nearly as much games has he did BEFORE he got into form last season.And even if you WERE right about that, at the end of the day, Arsenal kept the most clean sheets with SENDEROS starting. FACT. I'm sure Arsene was aware of that. Now, as a manager, if I was aware of that particular statistic and decided to sell that player because 'the fans have lost faith in him', he'd even be more crazy than I initially thought considering Song isn't even proven at centre-back & Djourou hasn't done anything to warrant a place over Senderos.And with your last point, it's stupid on your part to bracket the likes of Hoyte, Traore & Senderos together. Yes, Senderos did make some key mistakes in a couple of games but he put in ALOT more quality performances than either Hoyte & Traore.Again, I can't be bothered to go back & forth with these loopholes man. My initial point stands. I'm not being fickle and I'm sure a couple of other users aren't either. But what I'm laying out to you is fact. Wenger's selections & decision-making with his personnel have been HIGHLY questionable recently and even last season. He's been gassing for a LONG time so even when he comes out talking about his restraints when it comes to his budget, I take it with a pinch of salt. What was it, 2 'quality' signings? TBH, I've only seen 1 and we only have 5 days to go.

[MrJibbles]

Senderos joins AC Milan on season-long loanArsenal can today confirm that Swiss defender Philippe Senderos has joined Italian club AC Milan on loan for the coming season.Senderos, 23, joined the Gunners from FC Servette, the leading club in his home city of Geneva, in the summer of 2003.In his time with the Club Philippe has won the FA Cup in 2005 and played a part in the defence that kept a record 10 Champions League clean sheets in 2005/06.Philippe has made 115 appearances for Arsenal, scoring four goals, and the Swiss international had several highlights last season, including a superb performance in the 2-0 win at the San Siro and a second goal of the season against Blackburn at Emirates Stadium.Philippe is also a regular at the heart of the Swiss national team’s defence – scoring in the 2006 World Cup and playing every minute of his country’s Euro 2008 campaign in his home country. Born to a Spanish father and Serbian mother, Philippe has represented Switzerland at every age group from Under-15s upwards, and skippered the Under-17s to European Championship glory in 2002.Everyone at Arsenal would like to wish Philippe the very best for the coming season and his time with AC Milan.[Wednesday, August 27, 2008]

[Guest Van Der Wavy]

SMHGallas-ToureSong-SilvestreSMFH

[Lenny]

lmaodont even know what to say

[Frank Furta]

SHOCKING is all i have to say.

[Risky]

lol..i see the clueless sports fan group has been terminated

[bane]

Goal.com

*Walks out of thread*

False AlarmLock this

LOL DEM ONES

[Aquaman]

if wenger signs a class dominant cb it will be ok.but he wont

[TF S4DK]

TBH, after some thought, I'd agree with you on the middle paragraph mostly but the 1st & 3d makes no sense.Since when did the opinions of fan's play a factor in Wenger's decisions to sell players? Because if that was the case, Eboue would've been more likely to get sold but for some bizarre reason, he's guaranteed a 1st team place. If what the fans think REALLY mattered, even Walcott wouldn't have played nearly as much games has he did BEFORE he got into form last season.And even if you WERE right about that, at the end of the day, Arsenal kept the most clean sheets with SENDEROS starting. FACT. I'm sure Arsene was aware of that. Now, as a manager, if I was aware of that particular statistic and decided to sell that player because 'the fans have lost faith in him', he'd even be more crazy than I initially thought considering Song isn't even proven at centre-back & Djourou hasn't done anything to warrant a place over Senderos.And with your last point, it's stupid on your part to bracket the likes of Hoyte, Traore & Senderos together. Yes, Senderos did make some key mistakes in a couple of games but he put in ALOT more quality performances than either Hoyte & Traore.Again, I can't be bothered to go back & forth with these loopholes man. My initial point stands. I'm not being fickle and I'm sure a couple of other users aren't either. But what I'm laying out to you is fact. Wenger's selections & decision-making with his personnel have been HIGHLY questionable recently and even last season. He's been gassing for a LONG time so even when he comes out talking about his restraints when it comes to his budget, I take it with a pinch of salt. What was it, 2 'quality' signings? TBH, I've only seen 1 and we only have 5 days to go.

Wenger hasnt sold him, he's taken him out of the firing line... Do you go games? If you dont then its pointless me trying to explain something you cant understand and thats no elitist Rsonist comment either...Fans have always stayed on Walcott's side, he's the English wonderboy, he can do no wrong... Eboue on the other hand is HATED and would get sold if there was a taker...In football everybody remembers the mistakes, especially the ones that lose you games. This is Senderos is flaw, all that clean sheets sh*t doesnt matter when people dont attribute your performances for being the reason of a clean sheet... The guy makes costly mistakes, once he removes that then he'll be a player. Look at Flamini, until last season he use to make only one sloppy pass and the opposition would score... It took him a full season to rectify that and it still wasnt enough to get him the contract he thought he was worth...Song and Djourou look the better part. I'll guarantee you more Arsenal fans are confident in them two playing than Senderos, as there individual slates are clean... Like I said if you'd been to a game you'd understand the grumble, its the grumble of uncertainy.Once again, like I said mistakes that cost you games are remembered longer... Senderos, Traore, Hoyte are all in the right group in my opinion. They cost us in games and didnt particularly win us any games. Why you think Gallas & Toure get away with their mistakes but Senderos doesn't?

[Guest Ryan]

tf is right

[Black.]

You let your third best defender go on loan and looking to replace him with 2 any guys

[Gunner]

SKYSPORTSPhilippe Senderos has described his loan switch from Arsenal to AC Milan as a 'dream come true'.The Switzerland international has penned a season-long deal with the Italian giants, joining former Gunners team-mate Mathieu Flamini at the San Siro.The move ends speculation regarding the defender's future, a situation he is delighted to have resolved."I am really happy to play in a team like Milan," Senderos told the club's official website."For me, this is a dream come true. Everything has happened really fast, in a week."Everything here is incredible. The people are very easy going and they have made me feel like I'm at home."SuperiorSenderos also paid tribute to Arsenal for helping to nurture him into a commanding centre-half, but believes the best is yet to come in his career."In the past I have achieved some success," he said."To have become European Champion with the Under-17 national team and of course, at the age of 18 to have arrived at a big club as Arsenal."In London I have learned a lot. It has been a life school and (manager Arsene) Wenger has helped me."Today I can say I have reached a superior level by coming to this club. I want to give 100 per cent and improve every day."This team wants to return to the Champions League and I will do everything I can to help."Milan are set to take their place in the Uefa Cup this season after finishing a disappointing fifth in Serie A last year.