Young £ Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I could have done him a better video for In The Morning, no hype. Do you know how many man are out there with £600 cameras putting video's like that to shame? Mac Miller is getting 14 millon views for a mixtape track video and Cole is getting about 2.5 million for a track featuring Drake? It was a dead video and the track deserved much better. Of course he cares about album sale, he said he wants to sell a lot so he obviously cares. " I don't have a fear of sales because - I wouldn't call it a fear of sales because I don't place that much emphasis on the sales, but I definitely have an excitement over the sales. I want to sell a godrillion. But I'm not scared I'm going sell 10,000 records. I'm not afraid of that." To say he isn't getting major label exposure was too strong but outside hip hop listeners he isn't as well known as he should be, the chances of turning on your tv and seeing him are low. Look how many features Drake made in other people's tunes and videos to get his profile up, all the while 2 years after The Warm Up dropped Cole is going to be supporting Tinie Tempah on tour? olol. He is my favourite out of new school rappers and I'm pissed he signed to Jay Z because you only have to look at his history to see he has a sh*t track record when it comes to developing artists....he even has a sh*t record when it comes to established artists, he was giving everyone but himself peanuts to promote themselves when he was at Def Jam the balloon lipped c*nt. lol at Cole having a definite gold album when Khalifa isn't even gold off the back of Black and Yellow yet. Thats what im saying, stop looking for big bright lights and action movie videos and sh*t lol. All that song needed was a video anything would of done for it. The track deserved much better? that sh*t was old to him, he has that on to the next 1 attitude, you cant dwell on songs you think will have a good video cos hes always working making better ones. He tours alot like i said, the video was a bit part of him on tour and that Swedish ting. Like i said, it did the job That quote you put up proves my point just as much as yours. But as a J.Cole fan ask yourself what you think he would prefer, the sales or the critical acclaim? Of course they're important but he aint stressing over it like some of hes fans(managers) are... lol Fam stop these comparisons please. Mac Miller is a f*ck*ng Youtube artist, all hes views are crazy. Like I said J.Cole specifically doesn't wanna go down the "film as much videos as you can" road. lol do you wanna compare the radio play statistics with "In The Morning" & "Donald Trump" because there would only be one winner mate. That song received international radio play where as I doubt Mac Millers even left hes state. Fam, Drake again is different, way different. If J.Coles singing voice was as good as 'Drakes one' he would be all over our screens aswell dont worry mate lol Im just saying ive heard man who work at Roc Nation tell me, although financially J.Coles deal may of not been the best, musically the dude can almost do what the f*ck he wants. So i aint hearing this Jay-Z talk either, who cares what he did before. & if you must know Wiz is one week, two weeks at most away from Gold. & hes albums been out for 3/4 months now? not bad Bet J.Cole is around the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young £ Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 lol and rate Tinie abit please, J Coles little siblings were probably singing "Written In The Stars" for months after they watched WWE. Nothing wrong at all with opening a tour in ENGLAND for one of ENGLANDS biggest artists dare I say lucky.. but then I cant say that when you know hes signed to Roc Nation. (due to their merger/deal with Live Nation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 The way Cole is talking, he is making it sound like his album is a classic. He better be right. Anything less that isn't better than the warm up is probably going to disappoint me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Turnover Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 i f*ck*ng rate Work Out its true to J.Cole IMO This is where your argument falls down though for me. Its as far away from being true to Cole as possible. He doesn't even sound comfortable on the hook. that being said J. Cole has put out a wealth of great material for free. i mean seriously how many good tracks are out there? Makes Work Out track all the more disappointing wouldn't you say? You think it's on the same level as Lights Please, Dreams or In the Morning? Even 'You Got It' for that matter and I dont rate that song at all. I dont see how he can hope to emulate (for want of a better word) Illmatic with this as his debut single as we all know that album had 10 10/10 tracks. Work out is 6/10 at best which makes that fact that he has took "so long" due to being a perfectionist, to complete the album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I could have done him a better video for In The Morning, no hype. Do you know how many man are out there with £600 cameras putting video's like that to shame? Mac Miller is getting 14 millon views for a mixtape track video and Cole is getting about 2.5 million for a track featuring Drake? It was a dead video and the track deserved much better. Of course he cares about album sale, he said he wants to sell a lot so he obviously cares. " I don't have a fear of sales because - I wouldn't call it a fear of sales because I don't place that much emphasis on the sales, but I definitely have an excitement over the sales. I want to sell a godrillion. But I'm not scared I'm going sell 10,000 records. I'm not afraid of that." To say he isn't getting major label exposure was too strong but outside hip hop listeners he isn't as well known as he should be, the chances of turning on your tv and seeing him are low. Look how many features Drake made in other people's tunes and videos to get his profile up, all the while 2 years after The Warm Up dropped Cole is going to be supporting Tinie Tempah on tour? olol. He is my favourite out of new school rappers and I'm pissed he signed to Jay Z because you only have to look at his history to see he has a sh*t track record when it comes to developing artists....he even has a sh*t record when it comes to established artists, he was giving everyone but himself peanuts to promote themselves when he was at Def Jam the balloon lipped c*nt. lol at Cole having a definite gold album when Khalifa isn't even gold off the back of Black and Yellow yet. Thats what im saying, stop looking for big bright lights and action movie videos and sh*t lol. All that song needed was a video anything would of done for it. The track deserved much better? that sh*t was old to him, he has that on to the next 1 attitude, you cant dwell on songs you think will have a good video cos hes always working making better ones. He tours alot like i said, the video was a bit part of him on tour and that Swedish ting. Like i said, it did the job That quote you put up proves my point just as much as yours. But as a J.Cole fan ask yourself what you think he would prefer, the sales or the critical acclaim? Of course they're important but he aint stressing over it like some of hes fans(managers) are... lol Fam stop these comparisons please. Mac Miller is a f*ck*ng Youtube artist, all hes views are crazy. Like I said J.Cole specifically doesn't wanna go down the "film as much videos as you can" road. lol do you wanna compare the radio play statistics with "In The Morning" & "Donald Trump" because there would only be one winner mate. That song received international radio play where as I doubt Mac Millers even left hes state. Fam, Drake again is different, way different. If J.Coles singing voice was as good as 'Drakes one' he would be all over our screens aswell dont worry mate lol Im just saying ive heard man who work at Roc Nation tell me, although financially J.Coles deal may of not been the best, musically the dude can almost do what the f*ck he wants. So i aint hearing this Jay-Z talk either, who cares what he did before. & if you must know Wiz is one week, two weeks at most away from Gold. & hes albums been out for 3/4 months now? not bad Bet J.Cole is around the same. A decent quality video would suffice but from time I'm sat watching it knowing I could do better on a budget of £100 that is a flop for a major artist. Look at the vids average UK guys are putting out compared to the in the morning video, the difference in quality is embarrassing and in 2011 there is simply no excuse. Hate them or love them video's are becoming increasingly important, Rick Ross is a perfect example of someone who uses them to keep his name ticking over. I use Mac Miller as an example because he is a good example of somebody who gets mass exposure by aligning himself with a solid team, I don't even rate him but his approach to his marketing is on point. J Cole is seriously slacking in that respect and if he's doing it purposely whilst saying he wants to sell a lot of records he isn't making any sense. You keep dismissing comparisons, just because the artists aren't exactly the same there are still aspects of their approaches that can be used by both. Drake got his face in the right places so people became familiar with him, Cole simply hasn't. The amount of people that came back from Drake's concert saying they felt Cole more was evidence enough to me that he's doing himself a disservice by not putting himself about. And I've heard them both sing live, Drake nah mek it. Jay Z's track record is blotted with far too many disgruntled artists to dismiss it, of course what he's done is relevant. Roc Nation has been running 3 years and the only release so far is Blueprint 3....the next album scheduled is Watch The Throne. Wiz is crawling to gold and he had a monster single that was the official track of the NFL, Cole's still not had that breakthrough single so gold isn't a given imo. The simple fact is in 2011 how you present yourself and put yourself out there goes a long long way and from time I know I could do a better job of certain things in relation to Cole's media presence with very little cash and he's on a major, someone is slipping massively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young £ Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 your chatting so much sh*t i swear down lol, you think you would but u'd get sacked in an hour forget it go left i'll go right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young £ Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 nah f*ck off how can man say crawling to gold? in 4 months?, hes album sales are very very very good. He'll be platnium by the end of hes single spin easy, which im sure is what he planned. stop playing the role of AnR or Manager when you watch an artist you'll go crazy mate. That video was good, how many other videos have you seen released like that for a mixtape tune? hundreds!! Why is this one causing you sleepless nights and who's this solid team that Mac Miller has aligned himself with mate?!? the same people hes been around with from day, with the same plan to take over the internet maybe? just because the artists aren't exactly the same there are still aspects of their approaches that can be used by both lolwut yes aspects like they can both still go on tour, they can both sell cd's, give away free mixtapes etc etc, when it comes down to how many times you see man on tv? WHO he tours with? or when they're albums f*ck*ng coming out im sure it uniquely depends on the artist. So stop these stupid comparisons end of the day im just gonna bump this in a couple years and tell you to shut up again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young £ Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 if wiz was crawling i wonder what you call this check the 'monster' singles hes 1st album too by the way Grammy nominated rapper B.o.B. is celebrating the success of his debut album B.o.B. Presents: The Adventures of Bobby Ray, which was recently certified Gold by the RIAA. The album has sold over 500,000 copies, based on three multi-platinum singles from the album including, “Nothin' On You," featuring Bruno Mars, which has sold almost 3,000,000 copies, “Magic” featuring Rivers Cuomo, which is sold almost 2,000,000 copies and the hit single "Airplanes" featuring Hayley Williams of Paramore, which has moved over 4 million copies to date. wanna know how long this has been out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 The video for in the Morning was sh*t and a missed opportunity. He was touring with Drake at the time and stealing the limelight, he should have released a memorable video to capitalise. The videographer Mac Miller uses is called Rex Arrow, he consistently puts out good quality videos that aren't high budget. If J Cole had his sh*t in order he could easily find someone to do the same for him, loads of people would probably do it for free ffs. How does BOB coming off the back of international hits and just going gold back up your point that Cole is defo going gold when he hasn't had a big single yet? Gold is an achievement these days and is no way a sure thing for him. This reminds me of the discussion we had about Wiz when you were telling me he wasn't inspired by Max or Dipset, agree to disagree and we'll see how it pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young £ Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 lol cool, makes no difference in my eyes (video) and the youtube comments would suggest the same J.Cole has a personal video director too BBGUN.. always goes on about how sick he is and only wanting to work him most of the time etc etc Im sure its just hes prefernce. Makes no difference in my eyes That werent my point mate as it clearly said if you call Wiz crawling to gold with a monster hit what would you call BOB then? nothing to do with Cole as it clearly said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 BBgun are sick videographers but there's no way Cole has the budget to work with them on every project in the same way Mac Miller does with Rex Film on all his. He needs to recruit an up and comer who will grow with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Agree with so much of this!! Can't embed it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reivax ™ Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 They are right to an extent. J Cole does not have a strong team. And that's not Jay Z's fault. You guys need to understand that Jay Z has many other business ventures. In regards to J Cole, I personally believe that he doesnt have a strong set of ppl in his team, that will say this is your deadline and we're sticking to it. His management and marketing team are not pushing for promo's, photoshoots ect. To me J Cole has to much damn freedom. Which is good musically but from a wider perspective its not. Look at Big Sean for example, he is not on J Cole's level, but the amount of promo work he has done,tours. He did that cypher on BET and built on it . Plus his album was on schedule and look at the love he is getting right now. He's miles ahead of J Cole right now. Drake's thank me later album was a rush, hence why his sophmore album is going to be called take care, because he is actually taking his time with this one. The point im trying to make is that those guys and there team know what the the industry is about. When your sh*t hot and buzz is high you capitalised on it, J Cole and his team are not doing that. And i guarentee if J Cole doesnt sell as much as he could have, people will be getting sacked. The music industry is a business not a playground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Numbers don't mean sh*t in today's market(in terms of quality of music) as I think you'll only sell big if you're an established super star or have some type of sh*t gimmick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Q Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Good interview. Definitely think he has a lot of creative control. "I would cry before I do that" - J.Cole on releasing an album full of pop records. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Reds Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Drake officially got everyone wearing rolex's again 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Good interview, lol he definitely saw that video from the others week and sent a few subtle shots their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojo Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Work out has been released on itunes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Klitschko Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 J. Cole has a face I'd love to slap. Though a couple people have said I look like him so I'm not sure what this means. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Corrigan Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 J. Cole has a face I'd love to slap. Though a couple people have said I look like him so I'm not sure what this means. means u hate ureself and suffer from self-loathing - #UNLKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel & Dave Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 silenced some guys with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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