Joint Enterprise

[Flojo]

Whether she got life or not ain't the issue for me, she allowed herself to be involved in madness and that is inexcusable for a mother imo.

She has 2 kids and is working in a bank which shows somewhat she is taking responsibility for her life and her kids.

You don't go and jeopardise that by going backwards 5 steps and bringing low life in your house.

She paid the cost.

The obvious issue is the sentencing, that's what the whole discussion is about.

Sentences are supposed to be proportionate to the offence committed, allocating the same amount of blame to someone who was barely involved is ridiculous.

By your logic people deserve whatever sentence they get as long as they made a mistake, that isn't just.

[Benicio del Toney]

The sentencing doesn't interest me because from you allowed yourself to get ANY time you are a silly person.

From you allowed yourself to be in the courtroom you are at the mercy of the judge so the sentencing is up to him and him alone.

If people handle their biz it's very unlikely they will ever fall victim to this JE shit.

[Jam]

The sentencing doesn't interest me because from you allowed yourself to get ANY time you are a silly person.

From you allowed yourself to be in the courtroom you are at the mercy of the judge so the sentencing is up to him and him alone.

If people handle their biz it's very unlikely they will ever fall victim to this JE shit.

[Benicio del Toney]

Real talk.

It's like people complaining for getting 2 years just for teefing fags during the riots.

This is what they do if you give them the opportunity.

[Zizouz]

The sentencing doesn't interest me because from you allowed yourself to get ANY time you are a silly person.

From you allowed yourself to be in the courtroom you are at the mercy of the judge so the sentencing is up to him and him alone.

If people handle their biz it's very unlikely they will ever fall victim to this JE shit.

trust, we need these silly people off the streets

[Jam]

Getting 27 years for receiving a phone call from somebody who did a crime is mishandling your biz?

[Benicio del Toney]

In that circumstance it would be harsh to say that but the fact still remains you shouldn't be getting calls of people who can do such fuckry, cut down your circles.

[shower]

That joint enterprise and ipp are the peakest things

[Benicio del Toney]

And I think there is a lot of naivity in this thread, unless you have been in court and were present at certain situations / saw the evidence it ain't about trusting what comes out a mans mout when he is trying to stay out of jail.

I know a guy who buss a murder case by lying about phone calls.

[TF S4DK]

I'll give you the full story and this was pre JE, just so some of you realised how fucked...

My boy got robbed by some unknown guy. He's no p*ssy, cool yute that known in the ends to be more aggressor than victim, but he was slipping that day, and said he didnt know the guys, and they clearly didnt know him or care for any repercussion, which told him they didnt live in the ends...

He wrote it off as meh nothing I can do and well like I said he the aggressor more time.

Anyway some time later say a month, maybe less there is a rave.

Most of the ends is at the rave, he sees the yute in there that robbed him, they start fighting, dance gets gassed and locked off.

Obviously some of the people in the club get out, and some get locked inside.

These man managed to get out first and my man somehow again ends up just him +1

So they run, the other man chase them down, but they dont know the ends and end up getting lost or some shit.

Rest of the club gets out and some man hear what happen from the onlookers and go looking to see whats good, they find the ones that was chasing coming back to the club and kill one of the yutes.

All of this was on CCTV. All of them was charged with and then later found guilty of murder.

All of the peope that came into contact with my boy that night was charged on conspiracy and over 80% of them initially found guilty. I'd say eventually 20% of that later succesfully appealed.

Now when I say in contact I literally am talking about saying hello in some cases, there was no phone traces to connect man, the police just used all the CCTV footage of these man from as early as 6-7pm that day where man was in McDonalds, BP, at station, street camera's, and shit like that before the rave, until all the footage off the club's CCTV and then obviously the street footage of the incident.

The fucked thing is my boy was never charged with murder, as he didnt commit it, ran from the scene to his home, but they used him to connect everyone by saying his influence led the others.

[Hideandseek]

no news links for that story? even in terms of JE some of these sound far fetched and shocking and bare in mind what happened with my boy that I told at the start...

and lol@ anyone still arguing with Toney, guy is clearly delusional and not living in the real world.

[SLEAZE BALL]

And I think there is a lot of naivity in this thread, unless you have been in court and were present at certain situations / saw the evidence it ain't about trusting what comes out a mans mout when he is trying to stay out of jail.

I have been a defendant in a JE murder trail at the Old Bailey.

My cousin who was 15 years old at the time who spoke to me on the phone for 1 minute 33 seconds in a 4 hour period was placed in his house by multiple witnesses and mobile phone evidence at the time of the murder. These are facts that were accepted by the prosecution QC.

He was first on the indictment, I was second and another of my cousins third.

There was no forensic evidence, witness identification or CCTV connecting any of us with the murder and none of us knew the victim.

This is not some chinese whispers scenario this is shit I've been through and come out the other side the way they are using the JE murder law in this country is a joke.

[Goddaz]

Toney I beg you just allow any further contributions to this thread until your up to speed on JE. Your embarrassing yourself coz your clearly living in a next world & just seems so detached from the realities of what is ACTUALLY going on.

[Flojo]

Toney I beg you just allow any further contributions to this thread until your up to speed on JE. Your embarrassing yourself coz your clearly living in a next world & just seems so detached from the realities of what is ACTUALLY going on.

Basically.

It's a blatant abuse of power, smh at anyone trying to defend it.

[Guest phonecharger]

And I think there is a lot of naivity in this thread, unless you have been in court and were present at certain situations / saw the evidence it ain't about trusting what comes out a mans mout when he is trying to stay out of jail.

I have been a defendant in a JE murder trail at the Old Bailey.

My cousin who was 15 years old at the time who spoke to me on the phone for 1 minute 33 seconds in a 4 hour period was placed in his house by multiple witnesses and mobile phone evidence at the time of the murder. These are facts that were accepted by the prosecution QC.

He was first on the indictment, I was second and another of my cousins third.

There was no forensic evidence, witness identification or CCTV connecting any of us with the murder and none of us knew the victim.

This is not some chinese whispers scenario this is shit I've been through and come out the other side the way they are using the JE murder law in this country is a joke.

reh

[shower]

That's a madness that would make me lose the plot knowing because a phone call I made to someone could potentially have your riding a next mans m charge.

[Benicio del Toney]

And I think there is a lot of naivity in this thread, unless you have been in court and were present at certain situations / saw the evidence it ain't about trusting what comes out a mans mout when he is trying to stay out of jail.

I have been a defendant in a JE murder trail at the Old Bailey.

My cousin who was 15 years old at the time who spoke to me on the phone for 1 minute 33 seconds in a 4 hour period was placed in his house by multiple witnesses and mobile phone evidence at the time of the murder. These are facts that were accepted by the prosecution QC.

He was first on the indictment, I was second and another of my cousins third.

There was no forensic evidence, witness identification or CCTV connecting any of us with the murder and none of us knew the victim.

This is not some chinese whispers scenario this is shit I've been through and come out the other side the way they are using the JE murder law in this country is a joke.

Finally, someone who has actually been in this situation.

Did you or any of your cousins do time for this?

[Benicio del Toney]

Toney I beg you just allow any further contributions to this thread until your up to speed on JE. Your embarrassing yourself coz your clearly living in a next world & just seems so detached from the realities of what is ACTUALLY going on.

Basically.

It's a blatant abuse of power, smh at anyone trying to defend it.

Goddaz you don't know about my experiences with the police, because I think some onus of responsibility has to be placed on the civilian in a lot of these cases I am embarrassing myself, if that's the case then so be it.

You are 1 of the oldest on this forum and acting like people don't have accountability for any of their actions, that is not a stance you should have at your age.

Flojo I have not once in this thread defended JE, you are smart enough to know that.

[streets.]

Luca Toney talking the most sense.

You know the type of people you roll with and associate yourself with.

Don't complain if that person/group drags you into their madness. Even if you were at home drinking tea and playing Connect 4, the fact you associate yourself with X means that there's always that 1% chance you could be inadvertently caught up in X's madness.

From reading around, there's been a few cases where there have been miscarriages of justice. But that happens around all laws not just JE.

[Goddaz]

You still just don't get it Toney.

As for bringing the fact that I have children & age into the debate, it's completely irrelevant. If anything it further validates your lack of understanding. Ones accountability or lack of it as in many of these cases doesn't seem to matter. THAT is the problem. I don't know how many stories you want to read/see/hear before it finally clicks.

Lol I see you choose not to reply to the 'FIRE IN THE LOINS' scenairo I used to explain JE to you. Had that ting died on that day would it have been right for you to have got life due to your accountability to attempt to draw her?

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@ 'Finally, someone who has actually been in this situation.' I don't even know if that was a dig at me but I'm going through a high profile case now. Also, one doesn't have to go through something to know about something.

I do agree that we all have to take responsibility for our actions BUT FUCK RIGHT OFF IF THAT MEANS I HAVE TO EAT A M CHARGE JUST FOR SPUDDING/COMING INTO CONTACT WITH SOMEONE THAT DIES OR DOES THE KILLING THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

[Benicio del Toney]

Regarding the fire in the loins scenario it was a non starter.

I have multiple CCTV outside my flat, my car pulling up and me walking to my flat would have been recorded, so the police wouldn't of had a leg to stand on.

[Kurtis]

imagine I got a speeding ticket because some guy phoned me 2 hours before he did 37 in a 30 zone

i dont see how u can give the same sentence to someone who didnt do it

fair enough you beat up a guy in a group then one in the group shoots them, but for a phone call when u didnt even know the guys intent/werent there?

nah G

[Goddaz]

Luca Toney talking the most sense.

You know the type of people you roll with and associate yourself with.

Don't complain if that person/group drags you into their madness. Even if you were at home drinking tea and playing Connect 4, the fact you associate yourself with X means that there's always that 1% chance you could be inadvertently caught up in X's madness.

From reading around, there's been a few cases where there have been miscarriages of justice. But that happens around all laws not just JE.

His not. I only agree with the part of taking accountability for ones actions but within reason.

I'll bell you coz I'm not gonna be bait so I won't name names but let's just say you know someone I know who did the m ting. I know you've spoken to him in whatever capacity on numerous occasions. Should police involve/attempt to do you for life under JE coz you speak to this person alot be it 'innocently'?

Yes miscarriages of justice takes place all the time. Fair enough.

[Goddaz]

Regarding the fire in the loins scenario it was a non starter.

I have multiple CCTV outside my flat, my car pulling up and me walking to my flat would have been recorded, so the police wouldn't of had a leg to stand on.

Forget it Toney.

Just forget it

[Benicio del Toney]

Lol forget what?

How police try pin something on me if I have proof of where I was?