Young black males in the criminal justice system

[Carpe_Deum]

on another note.. reports are published every few months. whats the point of these stupid reports anyway. most time they are drawn up by middle aged white men & women who know nothing about youth and crime...or based it on talking to 3 black kids.

[djbmc]

Gun Crime has increased. What you on about?And I think its something like 70% of it is by black youths. They dont HAVE to shoot someone. They choose to in order to look big. Its not to 'get back at the police' cos they are racist or anything.

Gun crime has increased due to the higher availability of guns, and new techniques that have been developed to convert replicas into real things. Not because there's more black ppl in england. I imagine gun crime in badhad is pretty high, i don't think it's down to their skin colour

[BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT]

Gun Crime has increased. What you on about?And I think its something like 70% of it is by black youths. They dont HAVE to shoot someone. They choose to in order to look big. Its not to 'get back at the police' cos they are racist or anything.

Gun crime has increased due to the higher availability of guns, and new techniques that have been developed to convert replicas into real things. Not because there's more black ppl in england. I imagine gun crime in badhad is pretty high, i don't think it's down to their skin colour

Read the red bit. Thats just a guess, but the actual figure is close to that.Do I need to say anymore.Black youths shooting each other is noones fault but thier own.

[Black Ant]

on another note.. reports are published every few months. whats the point of these stupid reports anyway. most time they are drawn up by middle aged white men & women who know nothing about youth and crime...or based it on talking to 3 black kids.

true but its hard to disagree with them when you see how they carry on

[Carpe_Deum]

this is where the africans should get back at blackberry. cos 90% of those ybms are carribean..99% of those carribeans are jamaicans.

africans are f*cked in their own way.....Fraud is the chosen profession of the africans....guns are still involved there...as i saw when i got involved with them....Bank accounts with african names are watched by default by the banks, the slightest thing that happens on your account that happens is instantly flagged and investigated....when my friend (ghanaian) tried to transfer 8k to his girls account (white) there was a stop put on his account...for no other reason than his surname....this was actually the explanation he was given bythe staff in the bank...and the widespread fraud on african accounts...Some banks won't even let nigerians open bank accounts....not easily anyway...Africans like to look down at the west indians but they ain't no better....Then you get africans talkin the same sh*t only somehow to me with their fake American eccent it's pure beggin it down...they chat the most sh*t...and look like bigger plums..Africans are f*cked too...

this may be true, but all other cultures are involved in fraud. and banks don't let certain people who dont RESIDE in the UK open accounts, end of the day the crime being talked about is far worse than a few cases of fraud where no one died or got maimed. for most of the situations and people you have mentioned regarding the failures in young blackl men..they arent just black they are black carribean.

[HBK]

Actually gun crime has steadily decreased over the last 5 years. It is the percentage of fatal shootings which has risen. Less people are getting sh*t, but a larger percentage of them are being killed.

[Bacardi_Up]

I know one breh came from a very good background.His mother is a chartered accountant, he was rich and lived nicely.Yet he still felt that he had to publicly conform to some "black" image by hanging with the local gang members. He wasn't a bad guy and he was doing A'levels and pretty safe to me still. He subsequently failed his A'Levels while we all went off university.There was a news story in the papers and online that all of his former class mates including myself saw, he was involved in a murder along with 2 other guys and subsequently has been imprisoned for a minimum term of 15-20years. From doing his A'Levels and having the capability to do anything he wanted to sitting in a prison cell. In the name what, trying to conform to some level of "blackness"?The fact is he can't blame poverty or parents or anything, he can only blame his stupidity and has f*cked his life up.Wasteman.

[BlackaDaBerry]

It's not a matter of this....Lets put it this way....When i was at school.....stabbings, yutes going to jail etc was really rare....Shootings were virtually unheard of and even when you did hear about one it was someone who was mixed up in something and they did something to warrant being shot...they were also most probably in their late to mid 30's as youth crime didn't really extend beyond shottin a few pills, or weed or street robberies...Fast forward to now...Where everybody who isn't a hermit knows someone who sells crack, owns a gun. Everybody knows somebody who has a gun or has stabbed someone, has lost someone known to them through gun/knife crime etc..15 year old kids are being shot in their beds...When i was robbed at gunpoint in 1998 it was by a brixton man, he was about 25 i was only 18....he held me up for my stocks...(weed) the next day i was unfortunate enough to meet him again and was robbed again at knifepoint for my money....gun crime was rare at that point everybody was in shock that it happened at all...There is no race that has this so widespread now except ours...The amount of people i know who have never worked a day in their lives and every single bit of money they have ever spent has come from illegal means...and not one of these people is anything but black....the white people who used to roll with us on our crime sprees grew out of it as soon as the hit their 20's. I think it actually is true that black people are more likely to commit crime than others....to some extent...

LMFAO @ gettin boyed by the same dude in 2days!... Some movements

Exacly what I was thinkin.You got taken for a bullied-child who gets the lunch money taken everyday.

It was a bizzarre situation.....but at the end of the day...the same way it happened to me it could happen to anyone....if someone with a gun wants to rob you everyday of ur life then what are you gonna do to stop them....unless u either get them arrested or get a gun and kill them urself...at 18 i wasn't even open to them tings....i just used to sell alot of weed...that was it...and the whole thing was sparked by my bredrin sellin a very fluffy quarter as an ounce and a situation spinning out of control....being robbed at gunpoint and knifepoint isn't really a situation i wud describe as boyment....and if u really consider it to be so then i have no sympathy for you if you ever find urself in that situation...When nex man tried to move to me with no weapons i buss his head....but gun points a different ting...Tryin to act like u wudn't give up ur sh*t is blatently chief movements...tryin to look big...you wud sh*t ur pants....

[djbmc]

The amount of people i know who have never worked a day in their lives and every single bit of money they have ever spent has come from illegal means...and not one of these people is anything but black....

I know a very large number of ppl who have done the exact same thing, and they're all white.

[Thun]

Allow this brainwash report.

[Afroman]

It's not a matter of this....Lets put it this way....When i was at school.....stabbings, yutes going to jail etc was really rare....Shootings were virtually unheard of and even when you did hear about one it was someone who was mixed up in something and they did something to warrant being shot...they were also most probably in their late to mid 30's as youth crime didn't really extend beyond shottin a few pills, or weed or street robberies...Fast forward to now...Where everybody who isn't a hermit knows someone who sells crack, owns a gun. Everybody knows somebody who has a gun or has stabbed someone, has lost someone known to them through gun/knife crime etc..15 year old kids are being shot in their beds...When i was robbed at gunpoint in 1998 it was by a brixton man, he was about 25 i was only 18....he held me up for my stocks...(weed) the next day i was unfortunate enough to meet him again and was robbed again at knifepoint for my money....gun crime was rare at that point everybody was in shock that it happened at all...There is no race that has this so widespread now except ours...The amount of people i know who have never worked a day in their lives and every single bit of money they have ever spent has come from illegal means...and not one of these people is anything but black....the white people who used to roll with us on our crime sprees grew out of it as soon as the hit their 20's. I think it actually is true that black people are more likely to commit crime than others....to some extent...

LMFAO @ gettin boyed by the same dude in 2days!... Some movements

Exacly what I was thinkin.You got taken for a bullied-child who gets the lunch money taken everyday.

It was a bizzarre situation.....but at the end of the day...the same way it happened to me it could happen to anyone....if someone with a gun wants to rob you everyday of ur life then what are you gonna do to stop them....unless u either get them arrested or get a gun and kill them urself...at 18 i wasn't even open to them tings....i just used to sell alot of weed...that was it...and the whole thing was sparked by my bredrin sellin a very fluffy quarter as an ounce and a situation spinning out of control....being robbed at gunpoint and knifepoint isn't really a situation i wud describe as boyment....and if u really consider it to be so then i have no sympathy for you if you ever find urself in that situation...When nex man tried to move to me with no weapons i buss his head....but gun points a different ting...Tryin to act like u wudn't give up ur sh*t is blatently chief movements...tryin to look big...you wud sh*t ur pants....

lol @ stating your age back then like that makes a difference... like 18 is young.U got boyed fam and got taken for a lemon. Getting robbed once yes but twice by the same person in 2days is slippin.+ you are part of the problem we are talking about. Selling weed

[Bacardi_Up]

It's not a matter of this....Lets put it this way....When i was at school.....stabbings, yutes going to jail etc was really rare....Shootings were virtually unheard of and even when you did hear about one it was someone who was mixed up in something and they did something to warrant being shot...they were also most probably in their late to mid 30's as youth crime didn't really extend beyond shottin a few pills, or weed or street robberies...Fast forward to now...Where everybody who isn't a hermit knows someone who sells crack, owns a gun. Everybody knows somebody who has a gun or has stabbed someone, has lost someone known to them through gun/knife crime etc..15 year old kids are being shot in their beds...When i was robbed at gunpoint in 1998 it was by a brixton man, he was about 25 i was only 18....he held me up for my stocks...(weed) the next day i was unfortunate enough to meet him again and was robbed again at knifepoint for my money....gun crime was rare at that point everybody was in shock that it happened at all...There is no race that has this so widespread now except ours...The amount of people i know who have never worked a day in their lives and every single bit of money they have ever spent has come from illegal means...and not one of these people is anything but black....the white people who used to roll with us on our crime sprees grew out of it as soon as the hit their 20's. I think it actually is true that black people are more likely to commit crime than others....to some extent...

LMFAO @ gettin boyed by the same dude in 2days!... Some movements

Exacly what I was thinkin.You got taken for a bullied-child who gets the lunch money taken everyday.

It was a bizzarre situation.....but at the end of the day...the same way it happened to me it could happen to anyone....if someone with a gun wants to rob you everyday of ur life then what are you gonna do to stop them....unless u either get them arrested or get a gun and kill them urself...at 18 i wasn't even open to them tings....i just used to sell alot of weed...that was it...and the whole thing was sparked by my bredrin sellin a very fluffy quarter as an ounce and a situation spinning out of control....being robbed at gunpoint and knifepoint isn't really a situation i wud describe as boyment....and if u really consider it to be so then i have no sympathy for you if you ever find urself in that situation...When nex man tried to move to me with no weapons i buss his head....but gun points a different ting...Tryin to act like u wudn't give up ur sh*t is blatently chief movements...tryin to look big...you wud sh*t ur pants....

lol @ stating your age back then like that makes a difference... like 18 is young.U got boyed fam and got taken for a lemon. Getting robbed once yes but twice by the same person in 2days is slippin.+ you are part of the problem we are talking about. Selling weed

Come on, are you trying to say that if a man held you up at gun or knife point you wouldn't hand your sh*t over.It was just extremely bad luck the way he got caught slipping but I ain't gonna lie, if there is a gun in my face he can take my phone, if there is a knife to my chest and I ain't got no weapon to fight back (I don't carry weapons) he can take my sh*t.I ain't dying for any possessions.

[BlackaDaBerry]

10 years ago.....this happened....The reason i stated it is this....I had no reason to walk strapped...i had no reason to carry a knife...The chances of me getting killed or anything wasn't even an issue to me....this is due to the society values back then as opposed to now....If you think 18 isn't young then ur obviously 18 or thereabouts and you will realise that ur still actually a baby in terms of everything....as ur actually proving with every post you make.....How u managed to pick out the fact that i got moved to twice in the same weekend by the same guy over the actual message in my post shows how f*cked up the mentality of black youth is...which is really quite sad...Also yes i was selling weed.....it might be a part of the problem....and i'm not denying that i used to be into all kinds of things but luckily i got out of it before i got in too deep....i was never of the ignorant mindset that allows me to blame everyone else for my own shortcomings......i sold weed coe i wanted more money..it was simple really...i also used to smoke a hell of alot so in theory i was selling to support my habit...moreover anything else...i also never had a gun....i used to carry a knife on occasion when i had some troubles...but that was for protection...

[Black Ant]

lol @ whoever said 18 isnt youngmust be a member of cripset

[Guest Ryan]

I know one breh came from a very good background.His mother is a chartered accountant, he was rich and lived nicely.Yet he still felt that he had to publicly conform to some "black" image by hanging with the local gang members. He wasn't a bad guy and he was doing A'levels and pretty safe to me still. He subsequently failed his A'Levels while we all went off university.There was a news story in the papers and online that all of his former class mates including myself saw, he was involved in a murder along with 2 other guys and subsequently has been imprisoned for a minimum term of 15-20years. From doing his A'Levels and having the capability to do anything he wanted to sitting in a prison cell. In the name what, trying to conform to some level of "blackness"?The fact is he can't blame poverty or parents or anything, he can only blame his stupidity and has f*cked his life up.Wasteman.

People probably called him a coconut until he had a gun in his hand init. Then he was very black.Anyway, Hip Hop and Grime CAN influence it. Some people I've known were similar to the guy Bacardi Up knew then they started listening to Hip Hop and/or Grime and almost changed completely over night. I'm not saying this is the universal reason as a lot of people listen to it and haven't been affected as it were but it is certainly one of the contributing factors for some people.I think the identity issue in relation to peer pressure is a BIG reason though.

[Guest Silver Surfer]

On the news now, ITV

[Mr Q]

i hate the majority of young black boys. im tired of defending them and tired of ppl looking for reasons to why they act like d*ckheadsyou lot can cry racism all you like but the attitude of most young black boys is disgustingracism, music, movies etc is no excusei wish they will hurry up and kill each otherrant over

its true.theres only so much you can defend.

[Guest the_truth_hurts]

Its a cycle and yes some of it is racism. If us black youts are being stopped and searched 7 or 8 times more than white people obviously the figures are going to be higher. CRIMEGun Crime lets not front its an inner city problem and at large a 'black' problem. Why? don't know really but its more time linked to drugs and power. Its all about doing things quickly and blasting someone gains instant respect and status, government can step in with harsher sentances and stopping them getting on the street. Some of these media types give me joke no wonder that so many numptys take media at college and uni. They love the 'black on black crime' tag why? crimes crime the black on black tag just gives them an excuse to exagerate the story by linking it to irrelevant factors such as music and only worsen the problem. Eventually you start to believe the stories. make me tell you; whenever something pops off in Notts the real story is so different to the media report so much guess work and lazy journalism. No gang/area wants to read in the paper that they've been badded up and this starts war again and people are getting killed sometimes over misinformed media. MEDIA LEAVE IT ALONE. The government if they honestly believe that hiphop has so much more influence on young black minds then they do then maybe they need to get their own house in order and figure out why this is! and gain a better understanding of black british culture. SCHOOLCan remember at school (went to an out of town school) when 2 kids (white/asian) got into a fight it was a wrong, when it was me or another black yout it was because of cultural/behavioural problems and the area we were from. How you supposed to beat them odds? if someone has a pre-percieved view of you then its hard to turn it around. If your at a school expected to fail and act up then eventually it will happen. Trust me i've been in staff rooms and the way teachers write off some student is disgusting. The school system allieniates a lot of children.FAMILYToo many weekend dads or just plain weak. As a full blooded jamaican i aint gonna front its a cultural problem we've got family hedge-mazes not family trees, yeah it can't always be man wife and 2 children in the perfect family home but certain fathers need to take fatherhood more serious. Again i isn't strictly just a black problem but our level (afro-carribean) of single parent households are stupidly high. This is where the role model thing comes into it again, a strong dad has the respect of his child and can deter his child from crime and demotivation. How many of us either don't know/have regular contact with their pops or can name at least 10 other people in the same situation?Don't want to long this out but the problem starts at home and then continues through life. It ain't paranoid to think that black children start with barriers up from the point of birth .Its a cycle no ambition+prospects+respect+bad schooling+understanding from others+media bullshit = a big hurder and a higher possibility of crime ain't rocket science.

[Guest the_truth_hurts]

i hate the majority of young black boys. im tired of defending them and tired of ppl looking for reasons to why they act like d*ckheadsyou lot can cry racism all you like but the attitude of most young black boys is disgustingracism, music, movies etc is no excusei wish they will hurry up and kill each otherrant over

its true.theres only so much you can defend.

You can't defend man shooting each other up over weed/gyal/bars etc. but you have to get to the root of the problem, its already to late for most of these guys and it ain't their fault. As soon as the first ship of caribean workers came over we were in trouble and are still feeling the effects of being badly treated.

[Supernova]

There was a wave of olders that didnt get no where so they started moving drugs carried guns for protection whilst doing thisthe youngers thought it wuds be cool to do that and live that lifestylefast forward 7 years and theres 15-22 year old men shootn each other

[Mr Q]

i hate the majority of young black boys. im tired of defending them and tired of ppl looking for reasons to why they act like d*ckheadsyou lot can cry racism all you like but the attitude of most young black boys is disgustingracism, music, movies etc is no excusei wish they will hurry up and kill each otherrant over

its true.theres only so much you can defend.

You can't defend man shooting each other up over weed/gyal/bars etc. but you have to get to the root of the problem, its already to late for most of these guys and it ain't their fault. As soon as the first ship of caribean workers came over we were in trouble and are still feeling the effects of being badly treated.

Thing is thats what they love to hear, it aint their fault. Yes there are problems within the way some of the systems are run. but giving them that excuse makes them think its alright to do dumb sh*t.I remember being in school, and a kid would be doing stupid sh*t disrupting the class and what not. the first excuse they use is its because im black. NO ITS NOT, ITS BECAUSE YOURE A d*ckHEAD!!sh*t is far from being on a equal playing field, yes there are some racist people out there. but people need to look at themselves and not just other people when it comes to why things are f*cked up.

[Carpe_Deum]

cripset

[Guest the_truth_hurts]

Dimple what i'm saying is that some peoples life are set out for them from a young age. I'm not into excuses but if the odds are so firmly stacked against you then its hard to break them. It isn't their fault sometimes as they know no better. Even though I and you recognize its 'wrong to carry a strap' some people won't its their mindset and a small percentage of people of every race are born badminded. But it isn't an individual problem its a social problem thats why some of us (black) will break the cycle but most of us are caught up in it. Apply the same theory to other disadvanted groups.

[Mr. BLK]

im not gettin involved in this one

[Mr Q]

Dimple what i'm saying is that some peoples life are set out for them from a young age. I'm not into excuses but if the odds are so firmly stacked against you then its hard to break them. It isn't their fault sometimes as they know no better. Even though I and you recognize its 'wrong to carry a strap' some people won't its their mindset and a small percentage of people of every race are born badminded. But it isn't an individual problem its a social problem thats why some of us (black) will break the cycle but most of us are caught up in it. Apply the same theory to other disadvanted groups.

yeah yeah i know exactly what youre saying. but some people just use the excuse for the hell of it. the problem is bigger then just the individual this is very true.