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People go on and say how amazing this guy is and how he's the best manager ever but let's be fair;(a)His early record was pretty poor and barring one game he was going to get the sack.(b ) He has had millions and millions of pounds at his disposal for 15 years, a lot more money than any other team in the 90's. Nobody could live with Manchester United - Champions of the world.'s millions in those years.© he took credit for a great crop of youth players that saw him dominate the 90's but he plucked most of this talent from all the local clubs and other clubs around the country. Scholes (Oldham) etc.(d) The guy has wasted millions on poor talent and bought some extremely expensive flops however at times these are just hidden away and then offloaded for next to nothing after about 3-4 years in the reserves.(e)If Fergie moved to another team he would never have the success he has with Utd and I bet he'd be a flop. How many years was Fergie given to turn Manchester United - Champions of the world. around. I bet he couldn't do it with a bolton or a Fulham on limited funds.(F) many people forget what a flop he was with the national team.(G) With the money and the players at his disposal that fact he's only ever won the champs league once and let's be fair they were lucky to win that, outplayed for 90 minutes and scored two goals in 3 minutes. It's a poor return really that united have not come close to winning the champs league since 99.Yes he is a good manager but without the money Slur Alex Ferguson would not be half as good. He must have spent over 300 Million in his time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is not written by me it is taken from another forum.Do you agree or is this just hating on old whiskey noses achievments?Discuss.

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It's easy for somebody to say look how much money he's had etcBut money doesn't equal success
But to a extent money does equal success.Chelsea won the league twice in a row coming from a 4th place contender to a championship contender,Another example is Man City coming from a nothing team to a team that is competing with the top teams in the league.Then you have players like Rooney who you pay 30 million for and you no he is going to be high quality.Also theres Drogba who Chelsea payed 24 million and he was top scorer.Its not always the case but alot of the time the higher you pay the better you get.
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It's easy for somebody to say look how much money he's had etcBut money doesn't equal success
But to a extent money does equal success.Chelsea won the league twice in a row coming from a 4th place contender to a championship contender,Another example is Man City coming from a nothing team to a team that is competing with the top teams in the league.Then you have players like Rooney who you pay 30 million for and you no he is going to be high quality.Also theres Drogba who Chelsea payed 24 million and he was top scorer.Its not always the case but alot of the time the higher you pay the better you get.
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biggrin.gif Aberdeen 1978â1986Domestic competition * Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85 o Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82 * Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86 * Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86 o Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80European competition * European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83 * UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84[edit] Manchester United 1986-Domestic competition * Premier League: (9) 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07 * FA Cup: (5) 1989-90, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1998-99, 2003-04 * League Cup: (2) 1991-92, 2005-06 * FA Charity/Community Shield: (7) 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007European competition * UEFA Champions League: (1) 1998-1999 * UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: (1) 1990-91 * Intercontinental Cup: (1) 1999 * UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1991-92Notes: * The 1990 Charity Shield Final was drawn 1-1 with Liverpool and each club kept the shield for 6 months. The penalty shoot-out decider was abolished in the 1980s and only reinstated in 1993.Manager Awards * FA Premier League Manager of the Year: (7) 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-2000, 2002-03, 2006-07 * Ferguson has won the FA Premier League Manager of the Month award 19 times (a record). * LMA Manager of the Year: 1998-99 * LMA Manager of the Year: Manager of the decade: 1990s. * UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year: 1998-99 * BBC Sports Personality of the Year Lifetime Achievement Award: 2001 * BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 1999 * Football Writers' Association Tribute Award: 1996 * Mussabini Medal: 1999 * World Soccer Magazine Coach of the Year: (2) 1993, 1999 * Professional Footballers' Association Merit Award: 2007Other awards * BBC Sports Personality of the Year Team Award: 1999 * Laureus World Sports Award for Team of the Year: 2000Lets see how many trophies/awards Rafa will collec by the time he's fergies age***wonders why loserpool and arse-nal fans love to chat sh*t about man utd***
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l'll give you another one.H) People seem to forget what a dump Old Trafford was when he got there.Man like Fergie did what Martin Jol couldnt do at spurs, take a club with good tradition, great history and no league title for yonks and turn them into the best team of the decade and probably the biggest club in the world.It takes time to build a club which is YOUR club and not part of the last regime, theres alot of things to put in place youth, staff, players etc...Giggs was at Man City and Fergie went to his house, waived YTS forms and told him he'll go pro when he came of age immediately.Now Giggs is a living legend, part of why Man U came to prominence again, you gota have an eye for them things.Yeah he's got things wrong with players, Blomqvist, Poborsky etc... but the things he got right far out weighs the things he has got wrong.I wouldnt say he is the best coach in the world, able to take a player and DRAMATICALLY change his ability, I still think Wenger is the best at that but he is 1 of the most succesful managers of all time, only a fool would deny his credentials.

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East StirlingshireIn June 1974, Ferguson was appointed manager of East Stirlingshire, at the comparatively young age of 32. It was a part-time job that paid £40 per week, and the club did not have a single goalkeeper at the time.[8] He immediately gained a reputation as a disciplinarian, with club forward Bobby McCulley later saying he had "never been afraid of anyone before but Ferguson was a frightening bastard from the start."[9] His players admired his tactical decisions, however, and the club's results improved considerably.The following October, Ferguson was invited to manage St. Mirren. Although they were below East Stirlingshire in the league, they were a bigger club and although Ferguson felt a degree of loyalty towards East Stirlingshire, he decided to join St. Mirren after taking advice from Jock Stein.[10][edit] St MirrenFerguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974-1978 producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000 to first division champions in 1977 discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[11] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain Tony Fitzpatrick was 20.[12]St Mirren have been the only club ever to sack Ferguson. He claimed wrongful dismissal against the club at an industrial tribunal but lost and was given no leave to appeal. According to a Billy Adams Sunday Herald article on 30 May 1999, the official version is that Ferguson was sacked for various breaches of contract including unauthorised payments to players.[11] He was counter-accused of intimidating behaviour towards his office secretary because he wanted players to get some expenses tax free. He didn't speak to her for six weeks, confiscated her keys and communicated only through a 17-year-old assistant. The tribunal concluded that Ferguson was "particularly petty" and "immature" . [13] This short section requires expansion.[edit] Managing Aberdeen[edit] Early disappointmentFerguson joined Aberdeen as manager in June 1978, replacing Billy McNeill who had only lasted a season before he was offered the chance to manage Celtic. Although Aberdeen was one of Scotland's major clubs, they had not won the league since 1955. The team had been playing well, however, and had not lost a league match since the previous December, having finished second in the league the previous season.[14] Ferguson had now been a manager for four years, but was still not much older than some of the players and had trouble winning the respect of some of the older ones such as Joe Harper.[15] The season did not go especially well, with Aberdeen reaching the semi-final of the Scottish F.A. Cup and the final of the league cup, but losing both matches and finishing fourth in the league.The following December (1979), they lost the league cup final again, this time to Dundee United after a replay. Ferguson took the blame for the defeat, saying he should have made changes to the team for the replay.[16][edit] Silverware at lastAberdeen had started the season poorly but their form improved dramatically in the new year and they won the Scottish league that season with a 5-0 win on the final day. It was the first time in fifteen years that the league had not been won by either Rangers or Celtic. Ferguson now felt that he had the respect of his players, later saying "That was the achievement which united us. I finally had the players believing in me".[17]He was still a strict disciplinarian, though, and his players nicknamed him Furious Fergie. He fined one of his players, John Hewitt, for overtaking him on a public road,[18] and kicked a tea urn at the players at half time after a poor first half.[19] He was dissatisfied with the atmosphere at Aberdeen matches, and deliberately created a 'siege mentality' by accusing the Scottish media of being biased towards the Glasgow clubs, in order to motivate the team.[20] The team continued their success with a Scottish Cup win in 1982. Ferguson was offered the managers' job at Wolves but turned it down as he felt that Wolves were in trouble[21] and "[his] ambitions at Aberdeen were not even half fulfilled".[22][edit] European successFerguson led Aberdeen to even greater success the following season (1982-83). They had qualified for the European Cup Winners' Cup as a result of winning the Scottish Cup the previous season, and impressively knocked out Bayern Munich, who had beaten Tottenham Hotspur 4â1 in the previous round. According to Willie Miller, this gave them the confidence to believe that they could go on to win the competition,[23] which they did, with a 2â1 victory over Real Madrid in the final on 11 May 1983. Aberdeen became only the third Scottish team to win a European trophy and Ferguson now felt that "he'd done something worthwhile with his life".[24] Aberdeen had also performed well in the league that season, and retained the Scottish Cup with a 1â0 victory over Rangers, but Ferguson was not happy with his team's play in that match and upset the players by describing them as a "disgraceful performance" in a televised interview after the match[25] - a statement that he later retracted.After a sub-standard start to the 1983-84 season, Aberdeen's form improved and the team won the Scottish league and retained the Scottish Cup. Ferguson was awarded the OBE in the 1984 honours list[26], and was offered the managers' jobs at Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur during the season. Aberdeen retained their league title in the 1984-85 season, but had a disappointing season in 1985-86, finishing fourth in the league, although they did win both domestic cups. Ferguson had been appointed to the club's board of directors early in 1986, but that April he told d*ck Donald, their chairman, that he intended to leave that summer. After the death of Jock Stein he had also taken on the role of Scotland manager in preparation for the 1986 World Cup, appointing Archie Knox as his co-manager at Aberdeen during this time. There had been speculation that he would take over from Ron Atkinson at Manchester United, who had been struggling badly that season after a good start. Although Ferguson remained at the club over the summer, he did eventually join Manchester United when Atkinson was sacked in November 1986.Aberdeen 1978â1986Domestic competition * Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85 o Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82 * Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86 * Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86 o Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80European competition * European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83 * UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84
WAIT WHAT'S THAT?DID FERGIE REALLY STOP RANGERS AND CELTIC BULLYING THE LEAGUE?DID HE REALLY PICK UP SOME SILVERWARE IN EUROPE BEATING SOME SMALL TEAMS ALONG THE WAY LIKE BAYERN MUNICH AND REAL MADRID?DID ARSENAL AND SPURS REALLY TRY TO OFFER HIM A JOB?DID HE DO ALL THIS WITHOUT A BIG CLUB AND A BIG TRANSFER BUDGET?ARE U MAD CUZ HE'S STYLIN' ON U?LA LA LA LA......
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lolinitsum daft liverpool glory hunter not from liverpool that only supports them coz they won the champ league a few times in the 80'sholdtight luca toney and agony chattin realness aswel
Shutup u stupid manc c*nt!How do you no were im from and why i support Liverpool?When did i say that i wrote that or that i agreed with it?
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lolinitsum daft liverpool glory hunter not from liverpool that only supports them coz they won the champ league a few times in the 80'sholdtight luca toney and agony chattin realness aswel
Shutup u stupid manc c*nt!How do you no were im from and why i support Liverpool?When did i say that i wrote that or that i agreed with it?
because am psychicand if u agreed with it being a liverpool fan your would of posted it up anywayweva u do or dont u've done it just to hate on him
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lolinitsum daft liverpool glory hunter not from liverpool that only supports them coz they won the champ league a few times in the 80'sholdtight luca toney and agony chattin realness aswel
Shutup u stupid manc c*nt!How do you no were im from and why i support Liverpool?When did i say that i wrote that or that i agreed with it?
because am psychicand if u agreed with it being a liverpool fan your would of posted it up anywayweva u do or dont u've done it just to hate on him
I havent done it to hate on anyone if you read what i typed it says do you agree with this or is it hating on old whiskey noses achievments.Reason i posted this topic is because it is very strong views from someone on Ferguson and i wanted to see peoples opinions on it.Plus its something different from the usual Arsenal vs everyone threads.
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