What should happen to this woman... BBC1 PANORAMA NOW!!!

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Just look how many things have f*cked up under the Labour government. I know people will automatically point out Thatcher but although many people would say that Thatcher caused a lot of sh*t, she was not entirely bad. I don't think people really recognise Labour's faults.Please vote the Tories in at the next general election.I beg you.

Why cant you see past the 2 party dodgy system whether its Tories or Labour they always have almost identical policys just like the Americans with the Republicans and Democrats.Stop buying into the fake system and dont play there games of Tories and Labour only staying in power.

I refuse to believe that we are a two party state. We are nothing like America in politics as we got parties ranging from the extreme left; right across to the extreme right. Look..Labour Party Conservative Party Liberal Democrats Democratic Unionist Party Scottish National PartySinn Féin Plaid Cymru - Party of WalesSocial Democratic and Labour Party Ulster Unionist Party Respect Coalition Independent Kidderminster Hospital and Health Concern Scottish Green PartyAlliance Party of Northern Ireland Progressive Unionist Party Ulster Volunteer Force.Green Party in Northern Ireland UK Independence Party Alliance for Green SocialismAlliance for Workers Liberty Communist Party of Britain Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist)Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee)Democratic Labour PartyDemocratic Socialist AllianceIndependent Working Class Association International Socialist GroupLeft List New Communist Party of Britain Peace and Progress PartyPeople's Party Red PartyRevolutionary Communist GroupSocial Justice Party Socialist AppealSocialist Equality PartySocialist Labour Party Socialist Party (England and Wales) Socialist Party of Great Britain Socialist Workers Party Left AlternativeSpartacist LeagueWorkers PowerWorkers' Revolutionary Party British National Party British National Socialist Movement British Peoples Party British First Party England First Party English Independence Party Free England Party Freedom Party Imperial Party National Democrats National Front Nationalist Alliance New Britain Party New Nationalist Party Populist Party Fancy Dress PartyOfficial Monster Raving Loony PartyRock 'n' Roll Loony Party Christian Peoples AllianceThe Common Good Islamic Party of Britain Operation Christian Vote Alternative Party Animals Count British Public Party British Right Alliance The Consensus Countryside Party Democratic Party Equal Parenting Alliance Firefighters Against Cuts Generalist Party Humanist Party Liberal PartySocial Democratic PartyUnited Kingdom Libertarian Party The New Party (UK) No Candidate Deserves My Vote Party Prolife Alliance Senior Citizens Party Spectre The Blah! Party United Kingdom Popular Democrats Veritas Party Your Party plus there are many more..Just because the majority tend to stick to two parties, it does not mean that the alternative option is not there. Therefore, democracy rules and the Tories and the Labour Party do not 'control' sh*t. It's down to us because if we voted Lib Dems or one of the other parties from that list, the Tories and the Labour Party could not prevent them from rightfully holding government.In America people are either two-way. There is not much choice. You speak to an American and tell him you are neither Republican or Democratic and he will look at you like 'what the f*ck are you then?' and then they would still try and say 'well you're more democratic then?'.I do agree with you on party politics though. I would like to see more coalition governments in power; with MPs having the power and the RIGHT to vote against their own party without risk of losing their position. They are their to represent their constituents but half the time they have to go against their constituents in order to please their parties proposals.

[The Somalian]

For as long as I live I will never vote tory i have never actually voted b4, my boy voted boris and was telling me to do the same saying just coz you drive a 20 grand car dont mean you have 20 grand in the bank and he was not feeling how livingston was going on.Ash Im surprised at you telling people to vote tory, like it or not Maggie Thatcher divided and conquered working class britain. Imagine having a 3 day working week all them things use to happen. certain things would happen in one fafctory your factory see what happens dont like it so you go on strike, the unions had actual powers, people may say to much but i dont because power belongs to the people.Labour did mess up and it was very simillar situation to what we have now with unemployment rising back in the 70'sjust like now they are saying 3 million will be unemployed by 2010but in their defence maggie/torys did free up the economy when it was on a downturn and with her reforming the work place black outs and all them mad things are now a thing of the past.but still i will never vote blue

[Twirl]

they will just get put in a protected wing in jail and nothing will really happen to them to be honest the whole situation of the boy dieing could of been avoided, but the social services are run off their feet. there are cases like that happening up and down the country right now where the services know but dont really do nothing. Because if all the children being molested and abused were taken away from their homes who will look after them. Remember this whole thing happened in haringay where it is inner city with loads of broken homes and the services are run off their feet dealing with teenage parents junkie parents etc etc etc it aint no small town like huddersfeild or brighton there are many diffrent type of people with many diffent needs. The goverment can invest money but their is no point as it is dead money investing money into things like the social services because you dont really see a return from your cash so they are better of bombing iraq or investing money in some 2012 crappy 2 week olyimpic legacy. the best thing what can happen is better education for people. but we see the same cycle again and again poor education no qualifications and 80% of girls like this by the time they are 21 have a child.

yeah thats what i read the other day. social worker and a childminder reported his injuries but they didnt do anything, because they are so busy the just want to move onto the next case asap. its all about cutting costs aswell. how can they let a baby die, with a broken back and broken ribstheres a panorama special about this tonight.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

For as long as I live I will never vote tory i have never actually voted b4, my boy voted boris and was telling me to do the same saying just coz you drive a 20 grand car dont mean you have 20 grand in the bank and he was not feeling how livingston was going on.Ash Im surprised at you telling people to vote tory, like it or not Maggie Thatcher divided and conquered working class britain. Imagine having a 3 day working week all them things use to happen. certain things would happen in one fafctory your factory see what happens dont like it so you go on strike, the unions had actual powers, people may say to much but i dont because power belongs to the people.Labour did mess up and it was very simillar situation to what we have now with unemployment rising back in the 70'sjust like now they are saying 3 million will be unemployed by 2010but in their defence maggie/torys did free up the economy when it was on a downturn and with her reforming the work place black outs and all them mad things are now a thing of the past.but still i will never vote blue

This is the response that I usually get: Margaret Thatcher. TBH, I am a conservative and I don't really support Thatcher, yet everyone seems to class all Tories as Thatcherites. When Thatcher took her premiership, the Conservative party formed into two groups: Wets and Dries (look it up if you have spare time, it‘s worth looking into) and I am basically a ‘Wet’. Saying this, Margaret Thatcher tried to help more people to get onto the property ladder but she failed to analyse what impact it might have on the future. IMO, she was not concerned with the future but more doing what Gordon Brown did when he was chancellor of the Exchequer and that is to make sure everything looks good in the short term rather then worry about what the future will look like.There is a plausible reason why they do this, it is mainly because they don't know who will be in power in the next 10 years; they are worried that their party might take all the knock backs whilst building for the future, as there are short term risks; they might lose the next General Election and another party might benefit through their own endeavours. Which is exactly what the Labour Party benefited in '97; a healthy balance sheet through John Major’s administration.Labour tend to come up with good policies half the time and that is something that cannot be taken away from them. But as a government: are they fit for purpose? No, they are not. Would you really vote for a party that had a leader that did not listen, that does not answer straight forward questions and wants everything his way or the highway?A choice between that and someone that does listen, will be Conservative every time. They know how the lead this country and they are the think-tanks behind our countries successes in the previous years. Sure there have been mistakes, but mistakes learned from. Can you see Gordon learning from his mistakes? He cannot even apologise to the nation for mistakes made by his government.

[JLovely]

Its also a shame the Doctor didnt identify his injuries either.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

they will just get put in a protected wing in jail and nothing will really happen to them to be honest the whole situation of the boy dieing could of been avoided, but the social services are run off their feet. there are cases like that happening up and down the country right now where the services know but dont really do nothing. Because if all the children being molested and abused were taken away from their homes who will look after them. Remember this whole thing happened in haringay where it is inner city with loads of broken homes and the services are run off their feet dealing with teenage parents junkie parents etc etc etc it aint no small town like huddersfeild or brighton there are many diffrent type of people with many diffent needs. The goverment can invest money but their is no point as it is dead money investing money into things like the social services because you dont really see a return from your cash so they are better of bombing iraq or investing money in some 2012 crappy 2 week olyimpic legacy. the best thing what can happen is better education for people. but we see the same cycle again and again poor education no qualifications and 80% of girls like this by the time they are 21 have a child.

yeah thats what i read the other day. social worker and a childminder reported his injuries but they didnt do anything, because they are so busy the just want to move onto the next case asap. its all about cutting costs aswell. how can they let a baby die, with a broken back and broken ribstheres a panorama special about this tonight.

It's quite a coincidence that Labour's main colour is red, when all they do is create red tape and bureaucracy. They are responsible. They just want to cling to power and are just concerned with party politics.

[JLovely]

Ashman I agree with you on the bureaucracy part.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Ashman I agree with you on the bureaucracy part.

But it's not just bureaucracy; it is everything else that comes with the Labour party.Do you really think that under a 'typical' 80s style Conservative government that such a thing could happen to this poor young baby? That baby would have been taken away from the very first meeting with social workers, why? because the Tories did not tolerate bullshit. They are strict and it is because they are strict people vote against them, because they want to be gay and because they want to be FREE.I am sorry, we need law, we need order and all I will say is look at society today. This makes me sick, if this baby had died under the Tories, you can guarantee that the parents would not be looking at 13-16 years; they would not see daylight again.The problem is the social agenda is changing and the Tories are not the Tories anymore, they are trying to 'change' to fit into today's society and they have to do so to beat Labour to the hot seat.Nevertheless, the Tories still hold that extra bit of weight where authority is concerned and where bureaucracy is also concerned.They hold key values and if society were to recognise what they stand for and accept that we need authority for our own good, then we might just be better as a society. The problem is FREEDOM. I like freedom, but freedom is limited and it should be, for our own protection and our own sakes.

[FABOLOUS SPORT]

they need to make an example out of these 3make them die the slowest painfullest death possible

[Numero001]

Ashman I agree with you on the bureaucracy part.

But it's not just bureaucracy; it is everything else that comes with the Labour party.Do you really think that under a 'typical' 80s style Conservative government that such a thing could happen to this poor young baby? That baby would have been taken away from the very first meeting with social workers, why? because the Tories did not tolerate bullshit. They are strict and it is because they are strict people vote against them, because they want to be gay and because they want to be FREE.I am sorry, we need law, we need order and all I will say is look at society today. This makes me sick, if this baby had died under the Tories, you can guarantee that the parents would not be looking at 13-16 years; they would not see daylight again.The problem is the social agenda is changing and the Tories are not the Tories anymore, they are trying to 'change' to fit into today's society and they have to do so to beat Labour to the hot seat.Nevertheless, the Tories still hold that extra bit of weight where authority is concerned and where bureaucracy is also concerned.They hold key values and if society were to recognise what they stand for and accept that we need authority for our own good, then we might just be better as a society. The problem is FREEDOM. I like freedom, but freedom is limited and it should be, for our own protection and our own sakes.

In an ideal world I think any and every party would do that. Where are you going to put the kids? Dont they usually complain about the shortage of carers? If no, there most certainly will be. Then what, house them in places similar to orphanages?In regards to Maggie putting people on the property ladder, didnt she do that just to get the council houses off their expenses?

[Guest DN Braund]

Ashman u hav kids so i know ur with me when i say i wanna murder whoever was responsible for this slowlyi cnt even watch no news reports on it coz it jus pisses me off so f*ckin badlyf*ck murder actually that'd jus be helpin them outi'd torture them for the rest of their f*ckin lives n poke out their eyeballs with hot metal poles so they cnt see whats comin 2 themf*ckin pricksi get so f*ckin pissed off everytime i hear about thisn i NEVER get pissed off bt harming kids is jus not on

[Numero001]

On the subject of f*ck*ng about with kids lives, one man that I will forever hate for not getting his cummuppence (sp.) is Fred West. Everytime I watch a docu, I forget the f*cker managed to kill himself before sentancing. That right there is the reason I dont support death sentance. Some free ride. Them people should have to live every single day for what they did. Sad thing is, they probably dont even realise the significance of what they did, so them having to think about it probably wouldnt mean a sh*t to them. A punch in the face a day should be them. Run ups allowed

[clark_kent]

Ashman u hav kids so i know ur with me when i say i wanna murder whoever was responsible for this slowlyi cnt even watch no news reports on it coz it jus pisses me off so f*ckin badlyf*ck murder actually that'd jus be helpin them outi'd torture them for the rest of their f*ckin lives n poke out their eyeballs with hot metal poles so they cnt see whats comin 2 themf*ckin pricksi get so f*ckin pissed off everytime i hear about thisn i NEVER get pissed off bt harming kids is jus not on

some medieval punishment is needed. put dem in a black box with no toilette and jus enuf food to kepp dem alive for da next 30 years. den death by stoning swear dwn dis story actually hurt

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Ashman I agree with you on the bureaucracy part.

But it's not just bureaucracy; it is everything else that comes with the Labour party.Do you really think that under a 'typical' 80s style Conservative government that such a thing could happen to this poor young baby? That baby would have been taken away from the very first meeting with social workers, why? because the Tories did not tolerate bullshit. They are strict and it is because they are strict people vote against them, because they want to be gay and because they want to be FREE.I am sorry, we need law, we need order and all I will say is look at society today. This makes me sick, if this baby had died under the Tories, you can guarantee that the parents would not be looking at 13-16 years; they would not see daylight again.The problem is the social agenda is changing and the Tories are not the Tories anymore, they are trying to 'change' to fit into today's society and they have to do so to beat Labour to the hot seat.Nevertheless, the Tories still hold that extra bit of weight where authority is concerned and where bureaucracy is also concerned.They hold key values and if society were to recognise what they stand for and accept that we need authority for our own good, then we might just be better as a society. The problem is FREEDOM. I like freedom, but freedom is limited and it should be, for our own protection and our own sakes.

In an ideal world I think any and every party would do that. Where are you going to put the kids? Dont they usually complain about the shortage of carers? If no, there most certainly will be. Then what, house them in places similar to orphanages?In regards to Maggie putting people on the property ladder, didnt she do that just to get the council houses off their expenses?

No, not every party would do that as every party is different.I don't believe Maggie's intentions were to purposely privatise the entire sector n order to shift responsibility, but I do think however that she might have been trying to display to the public that the Conservative Party were not a fully centralised government. There are a million and one possibilities but I am sure only Maggie knows what she was doing behind that one.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Ashman u hav kids so i know ur with me when i say i wanna murder whoever was responsible for this slowlyi cnt even watch no news reports on it coz it jus pisses me off so f*ckin badlyf*ck murder actually that'd jus be helpin them outi'd torture them for the rest of their f*ckin lives n poke out their eyeballs with hot metal poles so they cnt see whats comin 2 themf*ckin pricksi get so f*ckin pissed off everytime i hear about thisn i NEVER get pissed off bt harming kids is jus not on

Trust!I tell you what, I have snapped at my kids some times and yes, if they are being well naughty then they will feel half the weight of my hand, but what these parents done was inexcusable.. They tortured a little baby boy, I feel to cry every time I see his picture. I know we can't change time and go back, but people in the government, in the social services and the guilty really need to start holding their hands up and admit they failed that kid because what is driving me even more mad is the fact that the blame is constantly being shifted.I think social services played their part, the government played theirs, the murderers played theirs and I would like to know who raised these beasts to even teach them morals like that.

[LuLu]

they shouldn't get the death sentance. it's too easy for them. just leave em to rot in jail.

this ^^They'd suffer more in jail, people in jail love people like this.

[Trim]

PANORAMA what happened to baby P BBC 1 now if anyones interested in watching a programme about it all

[Numero001]

Youre a badman

[Trim]

interesting to hear it all properly on this rather than sketchy points about it in papers

[Guest28]

f*cked

[Angelo]

I can see at least one of these 3 being killed if they go to prison to be honest.

[neeko]

once again, haringey...f*cked

[Trim]

that was messed uprealise how shocking some of the stuff that happens in this country is. How can the baby be taken to hospital with EIGHT broken ribs AND a broken back and none of that is noticed. A woman is able to have a mentally unstable man who has an obssession with knives and nazis around her child on a daily basis without it being looked into, it was just written down that she had 'a male friend who helped look after the child' but they didnt investigate him, just wrote down that she mentioned him and never looked at it again till it was too late.

[Numero001]

Thing is, how would you correct these problems in a way that is actually possible? Its easy to say they should take away kids, but where will they house them? They say there is a shortage of social workers, so labour is already affected. No quick solution is possible from what I see. Admittedly, my knowledge of that industry is very limited. And as bad/horrible as it may seem its only one kid. Little Victoria died in 01 right? 2 in 8 years isnt that bad IMO. The worst thing is its in the same council and the signs seem so damn obviousOr are there plenty other kids that die in care? Beg someone correct me please 'cause I do actually care and want to understand