CHANNEL AKA

[FANTA]

oh and just to add.iirc Logan (or someone else) must've said that the reason they dont have young up and comers on their show is because it's legal radio and there show is meant to act as some sort of quality filter for Grime.in a basic way it makes sense. but if you look at it properly its quite daft.with pirate radio in total disarray, i dont see how any MC coming up can build a proper fanbase (london wide etc) without the help of legals.plus by creating these filters legal shows become sh*t, because you have the same group of artist on every 2 months.again i dont have the solution. but something needs to be done.

[Badman]

Dubstep has no structure. It's just instrumental music that appears.You go on like dubstep DJs get more bookings than MCs who come out of the Grime scene. That's certainly not true in the UK.The one advantage Dubstep has over it's cousin Grime is that there is no international language barrier with something that has disgusting bass. Same as Drum N Bass, another successful international instrumental based music.Channel U was always run to just rinse off as much profit from needy artists as possible from texts and fone lines. They didnt even care about carrying adverts because they could make more money from running their own text promos.When 1xtra appeared, the government went to systematically wipe out a lot of the mid tier pirates who couldnt afford to get taken off air on a daily basis. As Ofcom came into place to take over from the DTI, they poured hundreds of thousands of pounds into ensuring a lot of black community stations stayed off.

forgot to mention this was one a big reason pirates dissappeared. ONTOP is still about but they were basically told if u stop playing grime/hip hop we arent gonna lock u off so muchagree with venom about dizzeesmh at badman thats the problem with most of u on here, u say something dumb or do suttin stupid and i call u on it then u start crying. ur any 24 year old debarge looking neek. fall the f*ck back

this is getting tyring, stop trying so hard playaim sorry my choice of attire doesnt pass the Brisco seal of aproval ill do better next time i promiseits all fun and games and that but stop trying to make me look stupid at every chance just so that you can get ur creditations and certifications just stay out of my e-Way and you will be fine and its 25 ffs

lol this guys cryingllow it fam.

todays not my day

[VENOM]

how do u know he doesnt have a mill in the bank?i swear he had a number one with calvin harrisalso he tours and does bare festivals, infact he does pretty much every big festival every year

he tours and bandwagons festivals. he can prob fill out indigo2 ONCE, thats about it. lol@ having a number one meaning you have a milli. dont even know how to respond to such foolishness

im sure he does 02, v fest and all them tings dere every yearhe also gets tour dates in places like australia and canadaim not saying soulely a number one brings u a milli smhbut the promotion that brings and the amount of booking u must get, clubs, concerts, plus mags like nme calling him up for interivews and t4 etc etcplus he signed to a indie so he probally gettin a bigger cut than if he was on a majorits like people like fat joe and camron going to koch or other indies cus they know theres more money than the majors espically for there smaller fan base lets put it this when wiley was signed to XL recordings even with a complete flop of a album and unsuccessful singles he still managed to buy himself some nice whips with XL dizzee has put out 3 albums, all have had fairly reasonable numbers for a uk artist, aswell as singles which have recieved some chart success including a number onewith good radio and video spins im not saying he a super star but im saying he could very much have a mill

from the way you talk in the HH room and selotape TF's nuts to your mouth.. i dont need to argue with you. beleive what u want. :arrow:

[Lucarelli]

Channel AKA R.i.pUsed to be sick back in 2003 timesSouthside Allstars etc .. good times

channel U was never good thats blind nostalgia talkingEVERYONE as i remember said U was sh*t at the time... afew of there favorite mcs made some below par vids that was about it

[Lucarelli]

Brisco why you always talking loud like your not some skinny little African that goes shop for man

[The Somalian]

Brisco why you always talking loud like your not some skinny little African that goes shop for man

made me laugh

[Roy Batty]

why cant MC's spit over dubstep?I dont see a reason why not

They can, and do, but that is not the format of the genre. It is based around instrumental music being played by a DJ. With an MC hosting or adding the odd lyric here and there if needed. Go to DMZ there are not MCs in there apart from the odd host. Means you can take it anywhere in the world and there is no language barrier.This also means that it is more profitable to release tracks as the instrumental market is better than the vocal market. Dubstep appeals to people around the world as it is quirky and different and it stays in it's lane. You know what you are going to get from a dubstep plate. It has built the vinyl market up for itself over the last 7 years and now people can afford to put stuff out.I just had to shell out £1800 to press up the first 3 releases on my label and I won't see a penny back for 3 months. That's crippling for most people financially.

[kurious]

lol @ me looking to serenade the thread withand getting violated by the first 7 seconds of

[Badman]

Boy....

[Snoop]

I intentionally sparked off a debate with Juande and it's came to this... ha.. but yhThe niggaz that are saying that this is how to get grime back on the map.. are the same niggaz that will sit around and wait for the other nigga to make the next move... some unhealthy cycle.. the grime scene is full of talkers but very few walkers.. i remember 2yrs ago i think.. megaman was on logan.. saying how he has a plan to take grime music to the next level and he's going to start a label, clothing line and take the kids off the streets through grime music.. and it sounded great.. and the grime fans were thinking, "Yes were going to be the next hip hop" and " I cannot wait for his plans to fall in place".. but guess what?.... two years later he's done nowt... wiley has said the same thing, skepta & boy better now have said the same thing.. even Maxwell D of all ppl has said the same thing... this scene is full of false hope.. so when i read what you guys are expressing.. on how grime can come back and ectetra needs to be done, it makes me think that you lot are just clinging on the end of the rope for false hope.. some ppl need to just accept that the grime scene is going downhill and it will die out.. The scene will always blame everyone but themselves.. look at America, Rick Ross gets signed as a rapper, now he's the executive of def jam, or something along those lines.. what UK urban artist has tried to do this? no-one.. they all wanna be like Jay-Z and Diddy... but they're not willing to put in the hard work creatively and logically. Grime is DYING = FACTlol

[streets.]

When I said Dizzee was a superstar, I obviously didn't mean it in the A-List Jigga/Beyonce/Beckham way. He's a famous, wealthy music artist.

[VENOM]

you can blame grime artists but i also blame the UK and their ignorance. all they want to do is have dem logan's semi posh middle class white breh's controlling black music to keep everyone cushty and in their place. if this was america there would be no westwood. not because hes white but cos westwood is not from the realms of HH so why should he be controlling sh*t. on the other hand...as its the UK.. the logans and westwood DONT even control as much sh*t as they could if they were in the US so its a very smart glass ceiling kept there to keep the youth and black music in the UK in its place i.e right at the bottom.man like jay-z are performing for the president of the US. and even the soulja boys and co are doing sh*t no one here has ever done. soulja boy is richer than dizee,wiley, and so solid put together..yet he only been out what... 2/3yrs?the US will use anyone who has some talent to make money out of them. they will let YOU be YOU and use you to make their paper. so as much as grime and these so called artists are also their own worst enemies, its also because there has never been a real urban superstar because there has never been any real interest form the people that can make things happen.dont get sweaty now logan im jus telling things how they are.. do you innit

[streets.]

man like jay-z are performing for the president of the US. and even the soulja boys and co are doing sh*t no one here has ever done. soulja boy is richer than dizee,wiley, and so solid put together..yet he only been out what... 1/2 yearsthe US will use anyone who has some talent to make money out of them. they will let YOU be YOU and use you to make their paper. so as much as grime and these so called artists are also their own worst enemies, its also because there has never been a real urban superstar because there has never been any real interest form the people that can make things happen.dont get sweaty now logan im jus telling things how they are.. do you innit

realist post of 2009 so far.Another reason grime flops is because its stars are too accessible. Anyone can get in contact with their favourite UK street artist, theres no star factor at all.

[Roy Batty]

Who is from the realms of hip hop? Someone who has a black face and lived in england their whole life?

[Supernova]

I remember when the PS3 fnal model ahd bene revealed and Channel U were sitll bussing the advert with the silver console and boomerang controls in a comp

[FANTA]

i agree with venom too.

[UN.Muzik]

I'll interject later but I wanna say Snoop has been speaking some inordinate levels of fraff in the 1st 2 pages

[Snoop]

* goes to get his boxing gloves*

[Badman]

I personally though a reason why grime didnt go any where was the fact there was too much focus on 'ends' and not looking at a bigger picturethe times when each side of london had its own sound where in south u had so solid and east you had roll deep and north you had Heartless Ect.London as a whole is a strong entity any nobody used that to their advantage therefor how could you expect the music to evolve?it was always gonna stay small and secludedlook at in the statesyou dont hear about the rapper from harlem or queens....you only associate that rapper with New York. E.g Killa cam, 50 cent, ja rule etcobviously to them they still rep their ends but they see the bigger pictureI remember them times like for example when forward riddim dropped everyone was quick to credit East London I was thinking how can this music grow when people from some where like leeds are gonna thing hmm east london....seen just didnt make sence to methe mentality needs to change

[Bardissimo]

I personally though a reason why grime didnt go any where was the fact there was too much focus on 'ends' and not looking at a bigger picturethe times when each side of london had its own sound where in south u had so solid and east you had roll deep and north you had Heartless Ect.London as a whole is a strong entity any nobody used that to their advantage therefor how could you expect the music to evolve?it was always gonna stay small and secludedlook at in the statesyou dont hear about the rapper from harlem or queens....you only associate that rapper with New York. E.g Killa cam, 50 cent, ja rule etcobviously to them they still rep their ends but they see the bigger pictureI remember them times like for example when forward riddim dropped everyone was quick to credit East London I was thinking how can this music grow when people from some where like leeds are gonna thing hmm east london....seen just didnt make sence to methe mentality needs to change

i know america can show us success but i think we need to stop looking to america so much cos the situations are different

[Snoop]

I personally though a reason why grime didnt go any where was the fact there was too much focus on 'ends' and not looking at a bigger picturethe times when each side of london had its own sound where in south u had so solid and east you had roll deep and north you had Heartless Ect.London as a whole is a strong entity any nobody used that to their advantage therefor how could you expect the music to evolve?it was always gonna stay small and secludedlook at in the statesyou dont hear about the rapper from harlem or queens....you only associate that rapper with New York. E.g Killa cam, 50 cent, ja rule etcobviously to them they still rep their ends but they see the bigger pictureI remember them times like for example when forward riddim dropped everyone was quick to credit East London I was thinking how can this music grow when people from some where like leeds are gonna thing hmm east london....seen just didnt make sence to methe mentality needs to change

i know america can show us success but i think we need to stop looking to america so much cos the situations are different

why can't ya, they do things more professional and more business minded, why can't UK artist learn & take a leaf out of their book ?they f*ck*ng need to look at America and learn how to do a cypher... the freestyles was sh*t, kno one coming off the dome with some mad insightful science.. UK Artist need to look at America.. Sway got signed by konvict, he's been doing it the American way and he's on his way now.

[Angelo]

If you need to emulate someone else, and change your style, you're not good enough to be around in the first place imo.Artists here need to develop instead of spraying bars every 2 weeks on pirate radio and thinking they're sh*t hot.They need avenues to do it.They need more talented producers and musicians to give them half decent tracks and production.They need more avenues to get their material heard.They need a bigger following.The problem isn't the method, it's the practice or lack of.

[Roy Batty]

Sway isn't signed to Konvict by the way

[Snoop]

If you need to emulate someone else, and change your style, you're not good enough to be around in the first place imo.Artists here need to develop instead of spraying bars every 2 weeks on pirate radio and thinking they're sh*t hot.They need avenues to do it.They need more talented producers and musicians to give them half decent tracks and production.They need more avenues to get their material heard.They need a bigger following.The problem isn't the method, it's the practice or lack of.

c/s with what you said the ones highlighted i c/s them 100% more

[pyrouk]

he signed to konlive international dealchannel u are just leaches havnt understood why someone hasnt f*cked up the offices yet they take the piss out of artistsif they asked me for a couple bill to put my video on that text in show id punch them right in the face