FAO: Black people

[Mr Q]

for people like duzza who find it hard to accept that Africans sailed the oceans, its understandable, because of the lies and coverups told through european history.

i don't find it that hard to accept, the only hard part is understanding how they could have travelled all over the world to these various places like brazil, india etc and the only remnants left of their travels are just stories about tribal cave paintings or a mongol tribe, how come no one ever thought to build anything?I don't understand how black africans could have been building pyramids and universities while my ancestors was living in caves but actually allowed the other races of the world to catch up with them and overtake them to the point where their own continent, the one that was so advanced, is now the least developed one and I don't mean to cause any offence at all, I just can't comprehend how they let it slip away.

Well the whole catching up thing does make sense if you consider how it was done, with Africans etc being the ones who actually built the richest and most powerful country in the world at this precise moment. Also, weapon technology plays a big part in it. Africans didn't have guns/gun powder etc the same way europeans did. African history/ Black History is pretty much distorted and narrowed down to things like the wind rush, slavery in america and civil rights in america and thats about it.

[Da Luv Doc]

It was lots of Africans, north and sub saharan I am talking about. The man to lead the army was dark skinned.I need to research about this tbh.ps, allow bring up slavery and colonial times, that's just the history certain people only wanna spill, so not in this topic please???Safe!!!

r u talking about Nubia and prince tarka (sp)? jerusalem was about to be over run by the assyrians, and was saved with help from the nubians. a big hidden secret and distortion of history is that Nubia and Egypt co-existed as partners. yet, what civilization has ever just 'co existed' with another powerful neighbor and not tried to overpower it and absorb its resources and gain greater power? The History Channel had a documentary about Nubia and egypt and blatantly distorted history by claiming they co existed as great powers. the fact is that Nubia was powerful Before egypt... the nubian Kings Ruled egypt and began it's dynasties. thats why the great sphinx of Giza which dates back to Egypt's Old kingdom is that of a black king. even some modern egyptians refuse to accept this. no colonial power adopts the culture of the country they now rule.. they impose their own. it is accepted that Nubia was never ruled by the egyptians...so the nubians imposed their culture on egypt. thats why theres so many more pyramids and hieroglyphics in sudan than egypt. i saw a documentary about it, and they did a test using current face recognition technology.. to see if the face on the sphinx was that of the alleged (lighter skinned interbred egyptians) or that of the Nubian kings and the egyptian kings failed to match up while the Nubian king matched perfectly.of course, they stopped short of saying this was 100% fact that it belonged to an ancient nubian king, and put forward the argument that erosion could have 'distorted' the facial features. plus theres the rumor or truth that french discoverers of the sphinx were too shocked that it had an African nose and shot it off.brief example

Safe for that Carpe, yeah I think it was the Nubians against the Assyrians as they were on invading.I do understand why it is hard for europeans to accept we had a great history and want to forget about it and cover it up.

[Grafter]

A continuous theme throughout his works was his obvious pride in his African heritage. He left unfinished a tribute novel, "The Moor of Peter the Great," in honor of his grandfather. At the age of 38, Pushkin died in a duel over the woman he married.

thats sicka duel u kno'ungaurd''touché'

[Mr Q]

Heres some decent stuff off BBC, http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials...ca/page80.shtmlAlso, one bit of African history which im so surprised doesnt get mentioned because it is fairly recent and practically genocide is King Leopold's rule over the Congo. He absolutely destroyed that place, was disturbing reading about it.

[Duzza]

Safe for that Carpe, yeah I think it was the Nubians against the Assyrians as they were on invading.I do understand why it is hard for europeans to accept we had a great history and want to forget about it and cover it up.

i don't think the average european wants it covered up or anything it's just that from day 1, when you learn history, you get european history of course and you learn about the aztecs and mayans in south america and you learn about the native americans and all about the great chinese dynastys and japanese history and whatnot.. and they attribute the pyramids to arabs.. and the only thing you get taught about blacks or africans is the slave trade basically.. so when you hear about blacks navigating for europeans 1000 years ago first thoughts are like "yeah ok...how come i never heard anything about it" type of thing... then you do some research and find some truth and it just makes you wonder why they wanna cover up african history more than anyone else..

[Da Luv Doc]

Safe for that Carpe, yeah I think it was the Nubians against the Assyrians as they were on invading.I do understand why it is hard for europeans to accept we had a great history and want to forget about it and cover it up.

i don't think the average european wants it covered up or anything it's just that from day 1, when you learn history, you get european history of course and you learn about the aztecs and mayans in south america and you learn about the native americans and all about the great chinese dynastys and japanese history and whatnot.. and they attribute the pyramids to arabs.. and the only thing you get taught about blacks or africans is the slave trade basically.. so when you hear about blacks navigating for europeans 1000 years ago first thoughts are like "yeah ok...how come i never heard anything about it" type of thing... then you do some research and find some truth and it just makes you wonder why they wanna cover up african history more than anyone else..

That's why I made this topic, because we never get taught that black people were world leaders and done alot for humanity and religion.If we were told there is more to black history than slavery, then it would be 20% better.Pisses me off that everyone goes on about slavery yet do not mention the times were black people were strides ahead.

[Grafter]

why i despise black history monthits jus a ploy to keep us opressed'u lot was slaves, happy now?'thats all i see in october

[Angelo]

I can't really speak for anyone else here, but in school the only history I learnt was only that which tied into British, and that of the UK. European, American, Colonialism, everything was part of that.I can imagine if you took history to degree level, and specialized, you would learn all of this mentioned in the thread...But if you include the specifics of black history in our curriculum, you have to include the specifics of the indian subcontinent, chinese, japanese, south american et al.All of which you only touch on the relevance of in school.Where do you draw the line?

[Grafter]

the contribution that black people have made to the country that we live in now should be taught in school from pre-slavery, dem black victorians, after slaveryshould all be there, everything significant that black people have done to make this country what it is right nowwe learn about the 2nd world war but we arnt told about the caribbeans that fought for queen and country, AND all the other commonwealth countries that were involved1st caribbean regimentit should be a fair and just representation, that is all

[Angelo]

That's what I was saying man.Don't even get me started on the World Wars.I f*ck*ng despise the way this country has conveniently forgotten everyone who served.

[imhim]

has anyone ever thought if the fearoes were black or arabic looking???

[Guest Lemons]

SNM

[Bardissimo]

has anyone ever thought if the fearoes were black or arabic looking???

on going disputetake it as some were black others werent

[Grafter]

from budges wikipedia:

There is no doubt," he said of Egyptian religions in Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection (1911), "that the beliefs examined herein are of indigenous origin, Nilotic or Sundani in the broadest signification of the word, and I have endeavoured to explain those which cannot be elucidated in any other way, by the evidence which is afforded by the Religions of the modern peoples who live on the great rivers of East, West, and Central Africa . . . Now, if we examine the Religions of modern African peoples, we find that the beliefs underlying them are almost identical with those Ancient Egyptian ones described above. As they are not derived from the Egyptians, it follows that they are the natural product of the religious mind of the natives of certain parts of Africa, which is the same in all periods."

Budge's contention that the religion of the Egyptians was essentially identical to the religions of the people of northeastern and central Africa was regarded by his colleagues as impossible, since all but a few followed Flinders Petrie in his contention that the culture of Ancient Egypt was derived from an invading Caucasian "Dynastic Race" which had conquered Egypt in late prehistory and introduced the Pharaonic culture (Trigger, 1994).

Petrie claimed that his "Dynastic Race," in which he never ceased to believe, was a "fine" Caucasian race which entered Egypt from the south in late predynastic times, conquered the "inferior" and "exhausted" "mulatto" race which then inhabited Egypt, and slowly introduced the finer Dynastic civilization as they interbred with the inferior indigenous people (Silberman, 1999).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallis_Budge

[JOHN DOE]

has anyone ever thought if the fearoes were black or arabic looking???

:D

[General Mac]

has anyone ever thought if the fearoes were black or arabic looking???

Pharaohs you mean?Personally speaking and looking at the landscape of Africa, they were definitely a Dark skinned people with a likely mix of Present day Sudanese, Ethiopian, Saudi Arab Nomad, Present Day Turkish, Syrian and possibly Indian. Considering you can walk from India through Pakistan and Iraq to Saudi Arabia to Egypt it is likely they were a mixed people but with today's racial standards they would have been classed as Black. Also you had the Greeks who came into Egypt and ruled too, Cleopatra the last Pharaoh spoke more Greek than Egyptian and was of partial Greek decent.Anyway that part of Africa (North) has been a mixing pot for thousands of years, even up until recently. Take World War 2 for example, you had Germans, Italians, British, American etc in that region, and as we all know soldiers frequently had sex with locals, Muslim or not, rape or love.Basically, it is f*cked. But I'll stick to my belief that the true innovators and engineers of this Great Egypt were Nubians.

[Mr Q]

why i despise black history monthits jus a ploy to keep us opressed'u lot was slaves, happy now?'thats all i see in october

The whole ploy to keep us oppressed sounds about drama queenish, even though i get where youre coming from. At the same time, i remember being in sixth form and my history teacher (sickest irish guy ever), was telling me how he was asking some students (black boys) if they knew who martin luther king and X were and they replied no and that they didnt care about "all of that sh*t".

[Grafter]

its amazing how many people have never heard of Marcus Garvey

[VENOM]

Safe for that Carpe, yeah I think it was the Nubians against the Assyrians as they were on invading.I do understand why it is hard for europeans to accept we had a great history and want to forget about it and cover it up.

i don't think the average european wants it covered up or anything it's just that from day 1, when you learn history, you get european history of course and you learn about the aztecs and mayans in south america and you learn about the native americans and all about the great chinese dynastys and japanese history and whatnot.. and they attribute the pyramids to arabs.. and the only thing you get taught about blacks or africans is the slave trade basically.. so when you hear about blacks navigating for europeans 1000 years ago first thoughts are like "yeah ok...how come i never heard anything about it" type of thing... then you do some research and find some truth and it just makes you wonder why they wanna cover up african history more than anyone else..

i used to attend saturday classes back in college and they talk about this. it even had white hostorians talk about it. it has been covered up cos africans and black people's culture was destroyed by the slave trade. so it was easy to lie and cover up sh*t when there was nobody left to pass on historythe Jewish people suffered similar slavery and being sent all over the world but they kept their language, tradidions, and culture therefore their history could not be distorted. Europeans have also done the same.. they have been over run by each other many times but still kept thair culture. same thing for china, japan, india. they said thats why african history is so unbeleivable. they said that cane was made white when he killed abel by God and thats how white people came about.

[VENOM]

for people like duzza who find it hard to accept that Africans sailed the oceans, its understandable, because of the lies and coverups told through european history.

i don't find it that hard to accept, the only hard part is understanding how they could have travelled all over the world to these various places like brazil, india etc and the only remnants left of their travels are just stories about tribal cave paintings or a mongol tribe, how come no one ever thought to build anything?I don't understand how black africans could have been building pyramids and universities while my ancestors was living in caves but actually allowed the other races of the world to catch up with them and overtake them to the point where their own continent, the one that was so advanced, is now the least developed one and I don't mean to cause any offence at all, I just can't comprehend how they let it slip away.

thats the human race tho innit? powers come, powers go. you think you are in an advanced country? go to japan and see advanced.china is gonna be the next superpower. 50 yrs ago british people would have been laughing if you told them that, now its a reality. how did the UK 'allow' china to catch up? who would have thought 50yrs ago the USSR would be gone by now? thats who the world works

[Da Luv Doc]

the contribution that black people have made to the country that we live in now should be taught in school from pre-slavery, dem black victorians, after slaveryshould all be there, everything significant that black people have done to make this country what it is right nowwe learn about the 2nd world war but we arnt told about the caribbeans that fought for queen and country, AND all the other commonwealth countries that were involved1st caribbean regimentit should be a fair and just representation, that is all

We also ain't taught about the black americans who they white bomber pilots begged for them to escort them into bombing runs as they were better than the whites. They were mega racist until they realised they they are good at saving their asses!!!

[Da Luv Doc]

The Pharoahs were all different mix.Cleopatra was from north west greece decendant.

[VENOM]

The Pharoahs were all different mix.Cleopatra was from north west greece decendant.

spike lee says she was black. greek people called her the black minerva

[General Mac]

The Pharoahs were all different mix.Cleopatra was from north west greece decendant.

spike lee says she was black. greek people called her the black minerva

Spike Lee was wrong and right at the same time. Her father was Ptolemy XII, a dude from Macedonia. She was probably visually a modern day Alicia Keys of some sort, mixed race. White with Nubian, Arabian Peninsular....thats my realistic guess judging by the geographical closeness of the areas in question

[Da Luv Doc]

The Pharoahs were all different mix.Cleopatra was from north west greece decendant.

spike lee says she was black. greek people called her the black minerva

Spike Lee was wrong and right at the same time. Her father was Ptolemy XII, a dude from Macedonia. She was probably visually a modern day Alicia Keys of some sort, mixed race. White with Nubian, Arabian Peninsular....thats my realistic guess judging by the geographical closeness of the areas in question

The Macedonians were the last invaders before the Romans got there.Can't remember if it was them or the people before them who abandoned the hiroglithics (sp). The Greeks are also to blame for the destruction of black history.