8-0 ffs

[The Infamous]

A lot of what you mentioned was from way back and its not like fans dont do certain things like vandalising and banners thats a small section of support. 

 

Happy holidays man its not even that serious between Liverpool and Man U at the moment. Your main rivals are city and your fans aren't squeaky clean either. 

[Kompressor]

I'll save you a minute and state your defence for you.

Liverpool never played Chelsea at Old Trafford and there was no Munich graffiti, Scouser a generally illiterate so nurr.

Those Italians were training for a track and field meet and the stadium was old and shit so it was Belgiums fault, It was Chelsea anyway.

Tear gas wasn't thrown that opposing team were just petrified at playing at Anfield and so burst into tears.

Liverpool fans never ever sung about Munich and never would, United however sing about Hillsborough every single game and have done since 1980. (yh, 1980)

Liverpool didn't have a active racist firm, they signed John Barnes don't you know.

The shit in a bag thing is just abit of boss banter init laa

Liverpool fans wouldn't storm their way into a ground ticketless and deprive other reds especially after what happens at Hillsborough

Would never take the mick out of Everton, their victories are our victories, friendly derby and all that.

Greeting opposing fans with Stanley's is a scouse term of endearment don't you know?

Evra wasn't racially abused, read the bloody report.

[The Infamous]

this guy your actually just so condescending  you also seem to remember a lot of random things

 

if i was someone that was bothered would remember but I have a lot of other things to try remember instead of times man u done wrongdoings

[Kompressor]

A lot of what you mentioned was from way back and its not like fans dont do certain things like vandalising and banners thats a small section of support. 

 

Happy holidays man its not even that serious between Liverpool and Man U at the moment. Your main rivals are city and your fans aren't squeaky clean either. 

Would you seriously say the events at Heysel and the subsequent lack of apology, guilt or acceptance of responsibility wasn't the worse offence commited by a British football club and it's fans in modern history,

Even after the horrific events of Hillsborough the excuses and reluctance to take responsibility continued.

Football fans do scummy things but 39 dead bodies, no formal or public apology for 20 years = real scum mate,

To this day fans will still put most of the blame on the stadium. The Chelsea excuse was amazing as well.

Given what happened at Hillsborough and the anger towards the people at fault from all reasonable and sensible people, which i'd say is largely down to their refusal to take responsibility. You should understand why people will call your club scum for doing almost the exact same thing.

The Juventus fans refused an apology from your fans and told you to fuck off, in the very same way that the authorities at fault for Hillsborough should be fucked off. As they are scummy cunts too.

[Kurtis]

im sorry, but why are people flinging bags of human excrement at ach other?

[The Infamous]

I know what happened at Hillsborough and heysel. wrong doings occured those times

 

live your life   some reserve bobby charlton 

[Kompressor]

this guy your actually just so condescending  you also seem to remember a lot of random things

 

if i was someone that was bothered would remember but I have a lot of other things to try remember instead of times man u done wrongdoings

I've obviously got a dossier.

(apart from the Final in Greece incident, and the Moss side thing) these are quite well known things,

I had family who lived in Whalley Range at the time so the moss side incident was relayed, the events in Greece have been reported in a few different places)

But yeah I've been putting together this dossier for some time.

[Kompressor]

im sorry, but why are people flinging bags of human excrement at ach other?

Scouse humour,

This isn't even some throwback from the 70's, I know people who were there during the game where Alan Smith broke his leg(2006) this nastiness was going on.

[Kompressor]

I know what happened at Hillsborough and heysel. wrong doings occured those times

live your life some reserve bobby charlton

Had a great day thank you very much, I didn't aim to get into a back an forth, but your earlier comment regarding me naming your fanbase as scummy may have led people to think I was just taking a sly dig with no reason or background to the claim,

Just wanted to set the record straight laa.

By the way you didn't answer the question, was the whole Heysel thing and the following 20 years scummy?

[The Infamous]

what you mentioned all these so called "incidents " you mentioned in relation to Liverpool 

 

Is fictional like literally EVERYTHING you said you chat shit about athens. what happened exactly at athens? AC Milan vs Liverpool two of the biggest clubs in Europe. Did you even know how our fans conduct themselves after heysel and hillsborough. impeccably. 

other things i could pick apart at like Juventus fans getting hurt in the disaster there is confirmations from Belgian prime minister that the stadium was in poor condition

 

in the 80's there was a country wide problem with hooliganism

 

absurd shit like Liverpool football club has racist firm. do you think any one of the black,asian,oriental liverpool would maybe try show it in light to the public. that doesnt exist in all honesty

[The Infamous]

also alan smith got a standing ovation but i was celebrating in my house 

[The Infamous]

 

 

Liverpool are a club touched by tragedy. Approach Anfield from any direction and you are immediately - and properly - confronted by Hillsborough. At the Shankly Gates an eternal flame burns inside the Hillsborough memorial, a red marble wall bearing the names of the 96 dead and adorned with fresh flowers laid by the bereaved and the outraged alike. On the other side of the ground a shop front bears the name of the Hillsborough Justice Campaign, a group still fighting for those responsible for pointless, preventable deaths to be brought to account.

Fittingly the events of April 15 1989 have been taken to the heart of the club's identity as much as any of the on-field triumphs of the 70s and 80s. The same cannot be said of the other tragedy in Liverpool's recent history, however; bridges may have been built between the boardrooms at Liverpool and Juventus, but you have to search harder to find a public reference to Heysel at Anfield.

Inside the club museum, displayed on a wall around the corner from four replica European Cups and in earshot of a recording of the Kop chorusing You'll Never Walk Alone, is a marble plaque 18 inches square that reads: "In Memoriam: In memory of those who died at the Heysel Stadium, Brussels." Next to it is Kenny Dalglish's shirt from that night, a match programme, and the Juventus pennant Michel Platini handed to Phil Neal before the 1985 European Cup final eventually kicked off yards from where paramedics were counting the dead.

It was a tragedy for which many were culpable, but 20 years on, as the clubs prepare to meet for the first time since that night in Brussels, Liverpool and their supporters are still struggling to come to terms with their part in the disaster.

It is not hard to grasp why. At Hillsborough, Liverpool were unquestionably the victims of gross, lethal negligence by the authorities, a truth established only after a courageous, dignified struggle by the families of the dead. Hugely painful though it may be, that is easier to come to terms with than acknowledging even the smallest culpability for the earlier disaster.

John Williams, a sociologist at the Norman Chester Centre for Football Research and an Anfield season-ticket holder, believes attitudes to Heysel stem from a deep sense of shame, and are bound up with Hillsborough.

"The club and certainly its supporters feel ashamed of what happened, because quite quickly after the events we were beginning to look for ways of explaining it that did not concern us," he says.

"Stories of supporters from other clubs and political groups infiltrating the group emerged, and these were followed by the maladministration of Uefa, the poor quality of the stadium and the cowardice of police. All of these have important elements of truth in them but they were also ways of avoiding responsibility.

"Had Hillsborough not happened we may have dealt with it, but there has been a feeling that we just need to forget Heysel and hope it went away. That was always dangerous."

Attitudes to Heysel remain equivocal on Merseyside, in part because the events were never subject to detailed scrutiny. There has never been an extensive inquiry, perhaps conveniently given the chaos and inadequacy of the police response on that night. Debate over the details continues. Many accounts, including the club's version on its website, cite missile throwing by Italian fans as the spark for violence, a claim contested by other eye-witnesses, but the broad facts are uncontested.

Uefa selected a dilapidated venue for the 1985 final and allocated block Z at the predominantly Liverpool end to "neutral" fans. These tickets were sold to Italian immigrants and Belgians, who were separated from their rivals by a chicken-wire fence and a line of reluctant, inexperienced police. Liverpool fans breached the fence and charged. Juventus supporters retreated until they were forced against a retaining wall that collapsed, killing 38 Italians and a Belgian. There followed the most shocking scenes witnessed even in the dark days of the 80s, as Liverpool fans rampaged, Juve's supporters who had breached their end retaliated, and the overwhelmed police struggled to regain order.

Nicholas Allt watched the tragedy unfold from on top of the wall at the back of block Z. Now 43, he spent his youth following Liverpool's great European adventure largely for free, thanks to his skilful evasion of the authorities.

He has chronicled the eight-year party that saw Liverpool collect four European Cups in Boys from the Mersey, a book, he says, which is the most shoplifted in Waterstones' Liverpool branch.

Allt's account depicts Liverpool's travelling army as scallies not sadists, supporting themselves through petty theft and blagging, and resorting to violence only when provoked. That was the case at Heysel, he says, dismissing stories that non-Liverpool fans infiltrated the support.

"I had never seen such a shambles as Heysel," he says. "Whoever decided to put Juve fans in with Liverpool has obviously never been to a football match before.

"The stadium was crumbling - I went in and out four times through holes in the wall. The turnstiles had been abandoned and you didn't even need a ticket, and there was rubble lying around everywhere.

"It was all right at first. We had a great party during the day, but there was a bit of taunting, a few missiles thrown, and then the Italian fans started spitting. Now in northern Europe that's the lowest of the low, and only a coward is going to run away from that. That's when the charge started. It was tragic really, because the people who died were not the ones doing the spitting, but the innocent people at the back. They were all innocent."

"If we had been two gangs in a nightclub, and one started a fight and the other chased them and the stairs collapsed, people would blame the greedy nightclub owner for not having a safe venue. That's what happened at Heysel."

For Allt, Heysel marked the end of an era. A six-year European ban for Liverpool followed, and before it was over Hillsborough triggered the introduction of all-seat stadiums.

"As soon as we got to Ostend and saw the reporters waiting we realised the party was over," Allt says. "But it wasn't until after Hillsborough that I realised quite what had happened at Heysel. I was a bit older, and it's when it happens to your own that you realise what the Italians had gone through."

He says of Tuesday: "Liverpool is a sentimental city, too sentimental sometimes, and I'm not sure if a load of people who weren't there saying sorry will achieve anything. It might even seem a bit false."

Not all share his view. Les Lawson, secretary of the Merseyside branch of the official Liverpool Supporters' Club, believes the time is right for an apology, and many of his members agree.

"I would hope there will be at the least a minute's silence, so that Liverpool fans can show to Juventus counterparts in the stadium and back in Italy that we are truly sorry for what happened back in 1985.

"There were a lot of mitigating circumstances, but we are sorry, and I hope the games are remembered for the football and the respect shown to those that lost their lives."

Lawson is resigned to a hostile reception in Turin in 11 days' time. In a sense he expects nothing less. "We will never forgive South Yorkshire police for Hillsborough, so why should Juventus fans ever forgive us?"

Anfield witnessed an emotional night on Tuesday as Liverpool and Juventus met for the first time since the Heysel Stadium tragedy in 1985.

Before the tie, Liverpool fans presented a banner of "friendship" bearing the names of the dead.

The gesture was applauded by many Juve fans but a significant number chose to turn their backs to it.

At the European Cup final on 29 May 1985, rioting Liverpool fans led to a wall collapsing at Heysel, killing 39.

The programme for Tuesday evening's match featured a two-page apology by Liverpool fan Terry Wilson, who was jailed for his part in the rioting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Juventus had their fans killed of course some of their fans are going to have problems their friend could have died

 

 

i could search for things its not hard but maybe read this and understand what effect them two disasters have done to the club. We would end up winning the CL (numerous times) during the years we were banned

 

 

i dont like to type much

[Kompressor]

What happened in Athens?

 

on your next trip or first trip (whatever the case may be) to Anfield, ask one of the regulars.

 

alternatively, 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6717793.stm

 

of course the suits at your prestige filled club tried to lay the blame on Uefa for not making more tickets available when of course said suits had given up to 6.000 of their allocation to sponsers. 

 

interesting development though, at least this time there was no denial of what happened and Chelsea's scummy support didn't assist/frame you this time.

 

but to coin a phrase, in regard to this incident i suggest you "read the report"

 

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As for the Hooligan thing yes in the late 70's early 80's what happened at Heysel could've been caused by a large number of different clubs, 

what i don't think would've happened is the ridiculous cover-up and brushing under the carpet, 

 

this cover-up wasn't just from scummy fans in the streets, but it came right from the top, as i think it was your chairman who first brought up the name of Chelsea.

 

even that load of shit you put up there about the Heysel incident has a distinct tinge of "well at the end of the day it wasn't really our fault and it was a tragedy for us as well"

 

its akin to going into a jail and bumping into someone who is in there for rape and they are claiming that the day the rape occurred was a tragedy for him as well. No! you are scum, 

 

Both Everton and United call you Murderers due to Heysel, 

 

i remember a few years back you beat Everton 2-0 and you's were "chanting 2-0 to the murderers" scummy. 

 

imagine if the pricks who caused Hillsborough had come back this year with another bullshit verdict and blamed the stadium instead of their own inept and criminal negligence. You would have been livid, (and rightly so)

Juventus fans told you to fuck off with you plaque and you Friendship gesture because that stuff should've been done in the Month afterwards.not a couple decades. 

In the same way I hope the families of the 96 tell the authorities to fuck off when all is said and done, 

 

the parralels in the situations are uncanny in parts, the only difference is your support is playing the Police and goverment role in the Heysel scenario. 

 

even the Police have held their hands up belatedly. Don't argue any points on Heysel or the way your club or fans conducted itself in the 20 years following, it is indefensible.

In the very same way The Hillsborough cover up is indefensible and sickening.

 

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Alan Smith got a standing ovation. who questioned that? I want you to address the cups and plastic bags of shit and piss that get thrown at your ground. 

 

Do Chelsea's scummy fans do that?

do Stoke's 

City don't 

I doubt Spurs do that to Arsenal, or vica versa.

Millwall don't 

 

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http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-10-133553-Liverpool-to-host-Man-United-today

 

do you really think everything i said was fictional? Really. or was it a heavy night?

 

 

 

 

i'll say it again, i'll happily end this crap now as its getting boring (even for me) but if you carry on questioning my comment stating that you have a scummy fanbase, and questioning the validity of the claims then i'm gonna carry on throwing shit. (something you'll probably be a expert at if you've sat in the home end at Anfield)

 

just take your medicine, you've been gassed up by the ITV, sky and BBC presenters bigging up your clued up support and your great atmospheres and how together everyone is. (of course this is also all false as everyone in the media is against you's) to the point where you can't face up to the fact your club has a tainted history and a despised fanbase, 

 

Even in football factory it was Liverpool fans who delievered the great line. "do you know stanley" in reference to the knife. 

respectful of all other clubs? WUM

[The Infamous]

booo urns 

 

once again no facts 

[Black.]

whats all this got to do with 8-0

[The Infamous]

its kompressor and his redcafe files some reverse andy allerton 

[Kompressor]

whats all this got to do with 8-0

 

thread was de-railed from the off from when the focus turned to Stoke and their style, but i hear you. 

[Kompressor]

booo urns 

 

once again no facts 

 

I apologize, everything i said was a lie.  

[Captain Planet]

Back on topic I guess

[Michel Kane]

Fuck Stoke yo.

[Kompressor]

Think he meant to get back onto Villa,

8-0 followed by 4-0, things aren't looking good there.

Young squad, I hope their confidence can be picked up soon. The next two months are big for them.

[Sub_Zero]

I love watching Villa get hammered. Villa are easily my most hated team.

[youcleanwepaint]

what happened to marc albrighton, alex Mc fully parred off his ability

 

Imo I thought the kid was about this ting

[anelka]

"Magic marc" was always basic

No real tricks just speed n determination..got the hype coz he was young

[Benicio del Toney]

Nah, I fucked with Albrighton still.

 

Forgot about him lol.