Ballon d'Or 2013

[Benicio del Toney]

You can see why they compared R9 to a young Pele.

 

I'm talking man that seen it all like Zagallo.

 

Pele reinvented himself later though.

[JOHN DOE]

'd*ckhead' i like you porch lets not go down that avenue

 

reading and asking elders = secondary research and variable

 

seeing them in the flesh = primary research and invariable

[Benicio del Toney]

but tbh how can you guys that never had the opportunity to watch these fooballers week in week out have an accurate opinion on their skills

 

Most football fans even today don't see players week in week out cept for highlights.

[Benicio del Toney]

and even seeing it for yourself peoples opinions still vary.

[O Fenomeno]

I hope you don't like Music/Women who were around before you was born

Like I said what a d*ck head logic

[darkman]

lol @ the defending in the pele vid

 

!

 

This is one of the biggest issue I have with rating players from that era

[Pro]

micky mouse league loooool

 

if you watched that show best of brazil on itv4 you'd quickly backtrack,

 

most ridiculous football highlights i've ever seen, them man didn't know what a tap in is

 

plus brazilians only started to play abroad from the late 80's

[Lieutenant]

did you see swedens defending last night mate? @darkman

[O Fenomeno]

The defenders of this era are average

Thiago Silva is the standout CB

He won't make the top 20 of all time

[O Fenomeno]

did you see swedens defending last night mate? @darkman

Truss

[darkman]

did you see swedens defending last night mate? @darkman

 

My bad. Last nights game is representative of defending in the modern era as a whole

[Jam]

but tbh how can you guys that never had the opportunity to watch these fooballers week in week out have an accurate opinion on their skills

Most football fans even today don't see players week in week out cept for highlights.

The realness

[Agony]

but tbh how can you guys that never had the opportunity to watch these fooballers week in week out have an accurate opinion on their skills

Most football fans even today don't see players week in week out cept for highlights.

The realness

Truss

This is why world class debates are usually hilarious

[darkman]

 

but tbh how can you guys that never had the opportunity to watch these fooballers week in week out have an accurate opinion on their skills

Most football fans even today don't see players week in week out cept for highlights.

The realness

 

Not true at all.

 

You could maybe be make an argument for only seeing highlights of players in other leagues but with european comptetions/leagues widely broadcast this is rarely the case. Especially for the cream of the crop

 

No true football fan just watches highlights

[Lieutenant]

FACK Ronaldo is a STRONG favourite for this

Has a man ever won this without winning a trophy???

Ribery 2/1 and messi 8/1

[O Fenomeno]

Yes of course they have

[O Fenomeno]

Nedved

[O Fenomeno]

The thing if Ballon D'or was a prize which was handed from August until now then there will be one clear winner but its not

Its a year thing why do people do this

If Cristiano wins this is 2001 all over again

[Benicio del Toney]

 

 

but tbh how can you guys that never had the opportunity to watch these fooballers week in week out have an accurate opinion on their skills

Most football fans even today don't see players week in week out cept for highlights.

The realness

 

Not true at all.

 

You could maybe be make an argument for only seeing highlights of players in other leagues but with european comptetions/leagues widely broadcast this is rarely the case. Especially for the cream of the crop

 

No true football fan just watches highlights

 

This is the thing, this is a relatively new phenomenon, widely televised football.

 

 

So all the greatest lists before the 90's held no weight in your opinion?

 

Alex Ferguson saying he regarded Pele as the best growing up has no weight according to you then.

[O Fenomeno]

Like I said A man really thinks players in this era are better than Pele

[darkman]

No they hold weight but point I'm making it gives us more exposure to players

 

Like I said A man really thinks players in this era are better than Pele

 

I have not said this once

[JOHN DOE]

I hope you don't like Music/Women who were around before you was born

Like I said what a d*ck head logic

thats a very poor comparison

 

music catalogues can easily be accessed and listened to

 

same with women

 

there is no way you have seen enough football matches from 40+ years to give an well informed judgement on who is better than who

[darkman]

I hope you don't like Music/Women who were around before you was born

Like I said what a d*ck head logic

thats a very poor comparison

 

music catalogues can easily be accessed and listened to

 

same with women

 

there is no way you have seen enough football matches from 40+ years to give an well informed judgement on who is better than who

 

!

[Benicio del Toney]

We get more exposure but the purist who is shouting from the crowd every Saturday will say you learn more about a player live than watching on tv.

 

So where does it end?

 

 

Is nobody's opinion valid except live match goers?

[Benicio del Toney]

there is no way you have seen enough football matches from 40+ years to give an well informed judgement on who is better than who

 

Like I said Alex Ferguson would have been privy to the same footage of Pele as us, is his opinion not valid?