The Official Manchester United Thread

[Mame Biram Diouf]

I'm baffled by you Man U fans. Are you saying your central midfield of is good enough?

 

[Agony]

Darkman, I said

 

In the 2nd pic Cleverley is on the ball. Swap him with any of our summer midfield targets and you still got the same problem which is limited passing options available because of the tactics.

 

That's not me starting a debate

 

That's not me saying someone is better than someone else

 

It's basic common sense that a midfielder that is used to playing in a 4-3-3 with 2 or more passing options around him whenever he is on the ball is going to struggle in our current rigid 4-4-2 set up which limits his passing options regardless of how much creativity and vision he has. 

 

The point is in that pic the team shouldn't be set up for a CM to have to drive past 2 or 3 players or attempt a hollywood pass every time that scenario occurs in our matches.

 

 

 

 

[Michel Kane]

LMAO, what top CM in world football today does that in a 4-4-2 anyway?

 

FUCKING HELL, THE STUPIDITY.

[Michel Kane]

Lol, again.

 

Ander & Cesc as CM's in a Moyes 4-4-2.

 

''Do you watch football or just skim through it?''

[Mame Biram Diouf]

LMAO, what top CM in world football today does that in a 4-4-2 anyway?

 

f*cking HELL, THE STUPIDITY.

 

 

Apart from him though, call recall many others in last couple years

[Michel Kane]

LMAO, what top CM in world football today does that in a 4-4-2 anyway?

 

f*cking HELL, THE STUPIDITY.

 

 

Apart from him though, call recall many others in last couple years

 

Totally different system, even when they play 2 strikers, it's actually a 4-2-2-2 system with 'wingers' actually being 'interiors' so you create overloads in the middle third/central area.

 

I'm talking 4-4-2 that Moyes, even Yaya would struggle.

[Agony]

City's 4-4-2 is a bit more fluid

 

With Nasri and Silva in the team it turns into a 4-2-2-2

 

Which is why we get raped when we play them because our 2 CM's are surrounded by 3/4 players 

[Agony]

+1 Kane 

[darkman]

Excuse me, who doesn't play?

 

Its alright

 

I will break it down

 

Moyes first 11, Welbeck, Anderson and Cleverly do not start

 

If Welbeck does get a chance its left midfield lol

 

Cba for your tr0lling today

 

Have a good one

 

Try turn my comment on Cleverly into my comparing him to Thiago and Cesc, almost had me there fella

 

With the exception of Anderson they all get their fair share of game time about "they don't play"

 

I've said many times I feel sorry for Welbeck having to play left mid. I actually think he may have to leave Man U for the sake of his career

[Horatio Caine]

and play where(position)???..........welbeck shouldnt be strike attor!

[darkman]

He is a striker imo. I still think he could be better than Sturridge but he is not getting that vital experience at the moment

 

What position do you think he's suited to?

[Mame Biram Diouf]

and play where(position)???..........welbeck shouldnt be strike attor!

 

Welbeck in most non-dinosaur teams would flourish as a striker imo

 

Just needs confidence

 

But he aint going to find that hugging the touch line or cutting inside and being told by Rooney to go back to the left side of the pitch

 

Its deep

 

Rooney is actually a cancer to our players

[Horatio Caine]

another thing///

 

 why do ppl keep saying " if united got ozil, rooney would have to leave"

 

      carrick ?????

 ozil kagawa rooney     ( all three switchin up from tym to tym)  ,yes rooney isnt great behind the ST but im sure he would up his game knowing whos around him

       

         RVP

[darkman]

 

LMAO, what top CM in world football today does that in a 4-4-2 anyway?

 

f*cking HELL, THE STUPIDITY.

 

 

Apart from him though, call recall many others in last couple years

 

Totally different system, even when they play 2 strikers, it's actually a 4-2-2-2 system with 'wingers' actually being 'interiors' so you create overloads in the middle third/central area.

 

I'm talking 4-4-2 that Moyes, even Yaya would struggle.

 

How about when Navas plays? He certainly stays wide

[darkman]

and play where(position)???..........welbeck shouldnt be strike attor!

 

Welbeck in most non-dinosaur teams would flourish as a striker imo

 

Just needs confidence

 

But he aint going to find that hugging the touch line or cutting inside and being told by Rooney to go back to the left side of the pitch

 

Its deep

 

Rooney is actually a cancer to our players

 

Course it's all Rooney's fault

[Agony]

Lopsided 4-3-3 with Navas in the team

 

So he stays out wide on the right and while Nasri/Silva drift into the middle from the left with Kolorov/Clichy providing the width on that flank 

 

 

[darkman]

Lopsided 4-3-3 with Navas in the team

 

So he stays out wide on the right and while Nasri/Silva drift into the middle from the left with Kolorov/Clichy providing the width on that flank 

 

OK so not much different to a Man U team with say Nani drifting

[Mame Biram Diouf]

irrc

 

---------------Dzeko-----------------------

-----------------------------Aguero-----------

---------------------------------------------------

----Nasri-----------------------------------------

------------Toure----Fernandinho-----Navas

 

That game

 

Was 5 on 2 vs Toure and Fernandinho at times

[Agony]

Lopsided 4-3-3 with Navas in the team

 

So he stays out wide on the right and while Nasri/Silva drift into the middle from the left with Kolorov/Clichy providing the width on that flank 

 

OK so not much different to a Man U team with say Nani drifting

 

Not much different to a Man U team with say Kagawa drifting 

[darkman]

To conclude, Citeh's 4-4-2 is really not much different from Man U's. Glad we got there in the end

[Benicio del Toney]

He is a striker imo. I still think he could be better than Sturridge but he is not getting that vital experience at the moment

 

What position do you think he's suited to?

 

CM

 

Welbeck ain't a striker, he lacks a trick to beat a man and isn't a natural finisher.

 

 

His best work is generally done outside the box.

 

Good tenacity, stamina, good passer, good positional sense and concentration.

[Agony]

To conclude, Citeh's 4-4-2 is really not much different from Man U's. Glad we got there in the end

 

But Kagawa rarely plays so it is different when he's not in the team 

[Horatio Caine]

he wont be better than sturridge......

 

 

eve tho sturridge is greedy ,when he puts his head down, he very dangerous 

[darkman]

He is a striker imo. I still think he could be better than Sturridge but he is not getting that vital experience at the moment

 

What position do you think he's suited to?

 

CM

 

Welbeck ain't a striker, he lacks a trick to beat a man and isn't a natural finisher.

 

 

His best work is generally done outside the box.

 

Good tenacity, stamina, good passer, good positional sense and concentration.

 

lol you can't be calling man a CM when he's never play there in this life

 

Being a good CF isn't necessarily about tricks. Granted he's not the best finisher but that can only be improved by getting more opportunities

 

To conclude, Citeh's 4-4-2 is really not much different from Man U's. Glad we got there in the end

 

But Kagawa rarely plays so it is different when he's not in the team 

 

Nani plays fairly often though

[darkman]

he wont be better than sturridge......

 

 

eve tho sturridge is greedy ,when he puts his head down, he very dangerous 

 

I don't like Sturridge. He's not very easy on the eye, too selfish, seems to force the skill abit much and seems a bit clueless at times