Black prime minister in the uk?

[carpedeum]

Are any of you really qualified to be making these broad generalisations about what politicians or the middle/upper classes or white people in general think about ethnic minorities in politics?Plus black people only make up 2.5% of the UK population so I don't know why you would expect to have any more than 12/600 black MP's (12/600 = 2%).And like somebody said, there is a working class Scot from a poor background as prime minister, which is actually harder to go and achieve something from than being a mixed race man born into a priviliged life like Barack Obama

ur wrong in every statement. yes alot of people here are really qualified to make broad generalizations A: because they are the future, B: they live in the society these so called politicians govern and are supposed to represent. black people may make up just 2.5% of the population but your maths is wrong. if black people make up more than half or up to half of a london or inner city borough, yet are only represented by 2 or 1 MPs, out of a total of say 8 then something is wrong. you cannot go by the %age of people but by the constituencies the MPs represent and the selection process.Gordon brown was not elected as Prime minister, he took over from Tony blair who was the person that won the hearts and minds of the people, not Brown. also, barack and michelle didnt live a priviledged life. going to harvard on a scholarship doesnt mean you live a privileged life.my own summary of the UK/US situation having spent time in both places is that the US has FOUGHT for where barrack is now. an obama was bound to happen first in america compared to Europe because they acknowledged there was a problem and at every level there was a battle for civil and equal opportunities..it hasnt been won bcos of obama but the tide is turning.europe or the UK's problem is that they have not had the type of battles the US has had bcos they dont recognise there is a problem in the 1st place. thats why you hear lame arguments like "what does it matter if the person is white or black or from wherever". there has been afro-carribean, and asian influence in the UK for over 800 yrs and these make up 2 out of 3 largest ethnic minorities who have had the biggest impact on UK life.. the 3rd being jewish who have attained political status and so happen to also be white. so of course it friggin matters, just like it matters for anyone to ask when their football team would win the leaguei am yet to see a COMPLETE black or asian (indian and chinese) family in something as simple as a TV advert more than once every 5 years talkless of asking when there coudl be a black PM.

[Mr Q]

Brown is prime minister by default, so surely that makes everything invalid as we didnt actually vote him in. As for the rest of the sh*t, people stay fighting its pointless when no-one is taking on anyone elses views.

Not exactly. He does have a mandate. He was elected MP by his constituents and was then ratified by his peers to hold the top seat and this was then reapplied at the National conference last year and he will probably gain support again this year.

Im not saying that, as VVV put before the general public did not elect the labour party knowing a scottish person would become prime minister. They elected them on the fact it was Tony Blair. So you cant truly gauge whether he would be prime minister on his own running. Or can you?

[Mr Q]

Question Would you rather be poor and black living in england or poor and african-american.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Last time i checked Ashman, New Era caps and tracksuit bottoms are not a pre-requsite of being black and i dont see how anyone has said that.

I am making a point. And that point is that if a black man is wearing a suit and speaking the correct English, then he is trying too hard to be white.This is my point.

[VENI VIDI VICI]

Brown is prime minister by default, so surely that makes everything invalid as we didnt actually vote him in. As for the rest of the sh*t, people stay fighting its pointless when no-one is taking on anyone elses views.

Not exactly. He does have a mandate. He was elected MP by his constituents and was then ratified by his peers to hold the top seat and this was then reapplied at the National conference last year and he will probably gain support again this year.

do you not see beyond dis point us voters have no say? almost all those peers are of a different class & thus doesn't reflect the uk population as a whole u talking like the country voted him in is air, constituents voted him as a mp, beyond that it was all inside dealings wanna mp ashley 'ol boy

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Are any of you really qualified to be making these broad generalisations about what politicians or the middle/upper classes or white people in general think about ethnic minorities in politics?Plus black people only make up 2.5% of the UK population so I don't know why you would expect to have any more than 12/600 black MP's (12/600 = 2%).And like somebody said, there is a working class Scot from a poor background as prime minister, which is actually harder to go and achieve something from than being a mixed race man born into a priviliged life like Barack Obama

ur wrong in every statement. yes alot of people here are really qualified to make broad generalizations A: because they are the future, B: they live in the society these so called politicians govern and are supposed to represent. black people may make up just 2.5% of the population but your maths is wrong. if black people make up more than half or up to half of a london or inner city borough, yet are only represented by 2 or 1 MPs, out of a total of say 8 then something is wrong. you cannot go by the %age of people but by the constituencies the MPs represent and the selection process.Gordon brown was not elected as Prime minister, he took over from Tony blair who was the person that won the hearts and minds of the people, not Brown. also, barack and michelle didnt live a priviledged life. going to harvard on a scholarship doesnt mean you live a privileged life.my own summary of the UK/US situation having spent time in both places is that the US has FOUGHT for where barrack is now. an obama was bound to happen first in america compared to Europe because they acknowledged there was a problem and at every level there was a battle for civil and equal opportunities..it hasnt been won bcos of obama but the tide is turning.europe or the UK's problem is that they have not had the type of battles the US has had bcos they dont recognise there is a problem in the 1st place. thats why you hear lame arguments like "what does it matter if the person is white or black or from wherever". there has been afro-carribean, and asian influence in the UK for over 800 yrs and these make up 2 out of 3 largest ethnic minorities who have had the biggest impact on UK life.. the 3rd being jewish who have attained political status and so happen to also be white. so of course it friggin matters, just like it matters for anyone to ask when their football team would win the leaguei am yet to see a COMPLETE black or asian (indian and chinese) family in something as simple as a TV advert more than once every 5 years talkless of asking when there coudl be a black PM.

Firstly, minority ethnic people make up 29 per cent of Londoners. Did you know that?Not every black person wants to be involved in politics.They tend to go for FAME, QUICK EASY MONEY or MEDIA RELATED JOBS.Vary rarely do you come across a black person that wants to get involved in politics and if you do, then it will be a 'bounty' or someone that black people don't want to represent them because they feel they are trying to hard to be white i.e. Shaun Bailey. I will be honest with you now. The ratio of racism in America to here is like 200:1 And most time here, you do not have to be white to be racist, as this topic has shown pure and utter ignorance towards Asian people and white people coming from black people.Whereas the racial divide in America seems to be white related, that does not represent the same thing here in the UK. It does not really friggin matter, it only matters because you are a racial bigot that sees the world as one colour and that is BLACK!Stop looking at adverts and what colour the people in them are. Who cares?I used to be like that but believe you me, when you realise the insignificance of colour, you automatically become liberated from the evil growing within. Get somewhere and EARN IT. Black people can do better than play the card. Why use the card to get your position by highlighting the inequalities you see? challenge them by hard work and earn your position. Do not assume either that white people do not EARN their positions or work just as hard.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Brown is prime minister by default, so surely that makes everything invalid as we didnt actually vote him in. As for the rest of the sh*t, people stay fighting its pointless when no-one is taking on anyone elses views.

Not exactly. He does have a mandate. He was elected MP by his constituents and was then ratified by his peers to hold the top seat and this was then reapplied at the National conference last year and he will probably gain support again this year.

do you not see beyond dis point us voters have no say? almost all those peers are of a different class & thus doesn't reflect the uk population as a whole u talking like the country voted him in is air, constituents voted him as a mp, beyond that it was all inside dealings wanna mp ashley 'ol boy

Of course I do, and if you remember I wanted to protest the fact that we did not have a say as this broken system could allow a dictator to enter the top seat.Obviously something that needs to be challenged and a new law to be made, but going on the laws of today, he has the right to hold that seat.

[Brandnew]

lol at Ashman tryna tell me anything about real politics...u can spew verses from ure indoctrination all you like but a young man such as yourselfs peak will be realised working as a local MP for Dagenham and that is it...ure not a wildcard and ure not a token...know ure role...as i said real decisions such as fuel,food and tax are,have and always will be run by the inner circle.Just because it is not birthright anymore dont mean they arent in full control of the system and who gets through.If you really wanna make a difference try addressing that...or maybe even the simple fact that coming from a working class family basically guarantees that you will only excel through miracles and pure luck...we cannot even begin to start trying to think about America because socially its a completely different place built on a completely different foundation to this country whose gentry and upper social class is woven deeply into the fibres of the countries political system...Cameron was a buffoon who never ever intended to be in politics so whatever wiki told you is void my friend..he fell into that because they needed a young and energetic character to counter the Blair brigade..and Gordon was not elected...in a fair world he would have been PM b4 Tony but its not that and so he had to step aside even though he was a labour golden child from as early as 15/16...i wont go back and forth but plse do prove me wrong if possible

[NO SUNSHINE]

Are any of you really qualified to be making these broad generalisations about what politicians or the middle/upper classes or white people in general think about ethnic minorities in politics?Plus black people only make up 2.5% of the UK population so I don't know why you would expect to have any more than 12/600 black MP's (12/600 = 2%).And like somebody said, there is a working class Scot from a poor background as prime minister, which is actually harder to go and achieve something from than being a mixed race man born into a priviliged life like Barack Obama

ur wrong in every statement. yes alot of people here are really qualified to make broad generalizations A: because they are the future, B: they live in the society these so called politicians govern and are supposed to represent. black people may make up just 2.5% of the population but your maths is wrong. if black people make up more than half or up to half of a london or inner city borough, yet are only represented by 2 or 1 MPs, out of a total of say 8 then something is wrong. you cannot go by the %age of people but by the constituencies the MPs represent and the selection process.Gordon brown was not elected as Prime minister, he took over from Tony blair who was the person that won the hearts and minds of the people, not Brown. also, barack and michelle didnt live a priviledged life. going to harvard on a scholarship doesnt mean you live a privileged life.my own summary of the UK/US situation having spent time in both places is that the US has FOUGHT for where barrack is now. an obama was bound to happen first in america compared to Europe because they acknowledged there was a problem and at every level there was a battle for civil and equal opportunities..it hasnt been won bcos of obama but the tide is turning.europe or the UK's problem is that they have not had the type of battles the US has had bcos they dont recognise there is a problem in the 1st place. thats why you hear lame arguments like "what does it matter if the person is white or black or from wherever". there has been afro-carribean, and asian influence in the UK for over 800 yrs and these make up 2 out of 3 largest ethnic minorities who have had the biggest impact on UK life.. the 3rd being jewish who have attained political status and so happen to also be white. so of course it friggin matters, just like it matters for anyone to ask when their football team would win the leaguei am yet to see a COMPLETE black or asian (indian and chinese) family in something as simple as a TV advert more than once every 5 years talkless of asking when there coudl be a black PM.

Firstly, minority ethnic people make up 29 per cent of Londoners. Did you know that?Not every black person wants to be involved in politics.They tend to go for FAME, QUICK EASY MONEY or MEDIA RELATED JOBS.Vary rarely do you come across a black person that wants to get involved in politics and if you do, then it will be a 'bounty' or someone that black people don't want to represent them because they feel they are trying to hard to be white i.e. Shaun Bailey. I will be honest with you now. The ratio of racism in America to here is like 200:1 And most time here, you do not have to be white to be racist, as this topic has shown pure and utter ignorance towards Asian people and white people coming from black people.Whereas the racial divide in America seems to be white related, that does not represent the same thing here in the UK. It does not really friggin matter, it only matters because you are a racial bigot that sees the world as one colour and that is BLACK!Stop looking at adverts and what colour the people in them are. Who cares?I used to be like that but believe you me, when you realise the insignificance of colour, you automatically become liberated from the evil growing within. Get somewhere and EARN IT. Black people can do better than play the card. Why use the card to get your position by highlighting the inequalities you see? challenge them by hard work and earn your position. Do not assume either that white people do not EARN their positions or work just as hard.

:/People not wanting to be MP's is not a black thing, nobody from any race that I know wants to be a politician. You're talking as if it's every white boy's dream to get into politics

[Benjamin Disraeli]

Question Would you rather be poor and black living in england or poor and african-american.

Who gives a sh*t? if you are poor you are poor and although one might be poorer than the other it does not deeat the psychological damages what being broke does to you.To answer your question, I believe black people have more support here than in America i.e. NHS, Welfare system, Social housing, Work opportunity etc.

[Mr Q]

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

I beg people use the word correctly for f*ck sake.

[Mr Q]

Question Would you rather be poor and black living in england or poor and african-american.

Who gives a sh*t? if you are poor you are poor and although one might be poorer than the other it does not deeat the psychological damages what being broke does to you.To answer your question, I believe black people have more support here than in America i.e. NHS, Welfare system, Social housing, Work opportunity etc.

Why say who gives a sh*t then answer it?My point was, i think some people believe that blacks are economically better off in America than in england..which is far from the truth.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

lol at Ashman tryna tell me anything about real politics...u can spew verses from ure indoctrination all you like but a young man such as yourselfs peak will be realised working as a local MP for Dagenham and that is it...ure not a wildcard and ure not a token...know ure role...as i said real decisions such as fuel,food and tax are,have and always will be run by the inner circle.Just because it is not birthright anymore dont mean they arent in full control of the system and who gets through.If you really wanna make a difference try addressing that...or maybe even the simple fact that coming from a working class family basically guarantees that you will only excel through miracles and pure luck...we cannot even begin to start trying to think about America because socially its a completely different place built on a completely different foundation to this country whose gentry and upper social class is woven deeply into the fibres of the countries political system...Cameron was a buffoon who never ever intended to be in politics so whatever wiki told you is void my friend..he fell into that because they needed a young and energetic character to counter the Blair brigade..and Gordon was not elected...in a fair world he would have been PM b4 Tony but its not that and so he had to step aside even though he was a labour golden child from as early as 15/16...i wont go back and forth but plse do prove me wrong if possible

lol @ you assuming to know anything about 'real' politics when you have never canvassed a day in your life, let alone held any governance experience to which I have.I might one day just be a backbench MP, but ho cares? John Prescott might prove your theory wrong though son because he made it to the cabinet as did Alan Johnson who still holds his position there to this very day.Here, read.Alan Johnson:

Early lifeBorn in London and orphaned at the age of 12 years when his mother died, Johnson was then effectively brought up by his older sister when the two were assigned a council flat by their child welfare officer. He passed the 11 plus exam and attended Sloane Grammar School in Chelsea and left school at the age of 15 years. He then stacked shelves at Tesco before becoming a postman at 18. He is interested in music and joined two pop music bands. Johnson joined the Union of Communication Workers, becoming a branch official. He joined the Labour Party in 1971, although he considered himself a Marxist ideologically aligned with the Communist Party of Great Britain. A full-time union official from 1987, he became general secretary of the newly-formed Communication Workers Union in 1993 following a series of union mergers.In governmentHe was appointed Parliamentary Private Secretary to Dawn Primarolo in 1997 and achieved his first ministerial post at the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) in 1999. He was moved to the Department for Education and Skills in 2003 as Minister for Higher Education though he had left school at 15.Johnson entered the Cabinet in September 2004 as Secretary of State for Work and Pensions after the resignation of Andrew Smith. After the 2005 election he was appointed to the post of Secretary of State for Productivity, Energy and Industry as head of a department which replaced the DTI but which soon reverted to the old name. On 5 May 2006, one day after the English local elections, his brief was changed to that of Secretary of State for Education and Skills, replacing Ruth Kelly.He became Secretary of State for Health on 28 June 2007, succeeding Patricia Hewitt. Johnson became infamous for attacking breast cancer patient Debbie Hirst because she attempted to buy the cancer drug Avastin which the NHS had denied her. Johnson told Parliament, patients “cannot, in one episode of treatment, be treated on the NHS and then allowed, as part of the same episode and the same treatment, to pay money for more drugs. That way lies the end of the founding principles of the NHS.”

p.s. I am only using Wiki as a quick reference for you to read. YOU really don't have a clue do you? I suggest you stop reading what The Sun editor Frasor Nelson is telling you and start working closely with your local MP just as I am doing. Then you really understand politics.I have been homeless, have been unemployed for a long time, been angry at life. I thought I knew so much about politics, but it was my anger that made me think so. When you stop using your own experiences as evidence to understanding what politics is really about, and you read some good books like the following:then you will get to be involved with the following..Sean Ash & Bridget Prentice MPSean Ash & Ken LivingstoneNo, how can I tell you anything about Politics? You show me your experience and HOW YOU CAN TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT POLITICS?

[Afroman]

lol ash went in!!!

[neeko]

lol

[Benjamin Disraeli]

lol ash went in!!!

That is what politics is REALLY about my friend.Like I have said: do the research, understand the facts, gain the majority support and get the job done. This guy is talking about politics through Newspaper propaganda.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

and his bum hole.ANy how, I must shoot off.

[VENI VIDI VICI]

like anyone can't go & take pics with mps & political figures, like anyone can't go grab a book take a pic with it, ashley u can up pics of you & one two mps but know thisur political knowledge doesn't impress or challenge me in the slightest & i'm not even deep in dis tingur actually on dis politics ting, i jus read bits here there but yet u chat so much do do u can never amount to anything on the political stage 'ol boy

[Benjamin Disraeli]

like anyone can't go & take pics with mps & political figures, like anyone can't go grab a book take a pic with it, ashley u can up pics of you & one two mps but know thisur political knowledge doesn't impress or challenge me in the slightest & i'm not even deep in dis tingur actually on dis politics ting, i jus read bits here there but yet u chat so much do do u can never amount to anything on the political stage 'ol boy

Look at the scenery behind the pictures. Does it look like I just randomly bumped into them on the street and asked for a photo? I am in my own home with my books. Why buy a book and not read it? it's about as dumb as buying a McDonalds meal and not eating it.My political knowledge might not impress you, but to be honest your inadequate literacy skills do not impress me. The same goes for your Mystic Meg abilities to even know how far I will or will not go. Your post contained no points or actual facts, just your own personal beliefs and tbh they means f*ck ALL to me.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

A question I would like to ask.Considering the ethnic demographics of this country, do you think it is right that a black person should represent a majority where there is no common ground? Meaning holding a position such as Prime Minister. Surely black MPs can fairly be justified as there is a need for fair and equal representation. But to lead a country and hold the top seat in a country where black people are minorities, is it right?

[Brandnew]

lol am i supposed to be impressed at ure book/picture collection because in truth it does not change the simple fact that out of the whole cabinet you can count the people coming from your background son which backs my position and not ures...how about facts like how many of the 18 000 straight A A'level students came from ure background last year(working class that is)...did u know it was only 300+ and u still think its not a social issue lol.But back on topic of 'me'..U didnt ask me my experience and furthermore my experience versus ures does not change the facts...i dont speak on my experience simply because it would not make a difference in the bigger scheme tbh...everything is what it is but know it goes deeper than attending Mp's surgeries and photo ops lol.Fool P.s.I dnt read the sun unless im lookin at the sports page

[Grafter]

they'll be an asian Prime Minister before there's a black one.

yh dats true

Is it though? I reckon the British public as a whole would sooner accept a black PM then an Asian one.

yh but up north it seems like asians are well into this politics business an winnin seats an such

[Benjamin Disraeli]

lol am i supposed to be impressed at ure book/picture collection because in truth it does not change the simple fact that out of the whole cabinet you can count the people coming from your background son which backs my position and not ures...how about facts like how many of the 18 000 straight A A'level students came from ure background last year(working class that is)...did u know it was only 300+ and u still think its not a social issue lol.But back on topic of 'me'..U didnt ask me my experience and furthermore my experience versus ures does not change the facts...i dont speak on my experience simply because it would not make a difference in the bigger scheme tbh...everything is what it is but know it goes deeper than attending Mp's surgeries and photo ops lol.Fool P.s.I dnt read the sun unless im lookin at the sports page

You keep saying 'fact' and that you speak the 'truth' yet you haven't really hit back at me with any substance that is worthy enough of being considered factual or truthful.Ok, on A level results, show me where you got this information please? link. As for keep calling me 'son', referring to me as 'working class' and so on, can you please let me know how old you are and what class you consider yourself?Of course there are many social issues out there, I am not denying that, but this topic is not about that. It is about the possibility of there being a black PM and I am basically saying that yes, there are barriers in place, but if you want something bad enough you can get it, just like I will.

[Benjamin Disraeli]

they'll be an asian Prime Minister before there's a black one.

yh dats true

Is it though? I reckon the British public as a whole would sooner accept a black PM then an Asian one.

yh but up north it seems like asians are well into this politics business an winnin seats an such

I disagree with this statement. In fact, on the contrary.

[Uncle Man]

ppl are f*ck*ng morons out herewho cares how some one gets to be head of a party or head of a country the fact is they have done itare heads saying that cos sum1 mite not have won an election fairly they are pretending he didntbig up yr lifestyle!and now heads are saying oh well if hes intelligent or educated it doesnt countprime minister is not a lottery wer evry1 has to win at least once or its not fair wat are you communist hippie d*ckheads talking aboutpersonally i wont recognise equality until there is a cripple dwarf with a mental age of 7 as prime ministerthere will be a black or asian prime minister wen a candidate with the right charisma or credentials to be the best option to lead a party comes along ,and like obama is prepared to make the right moves etcand yes i doubt it is going to be some rick ross style gangster character