Messi is already in the conversation IMO
Lifting the trophy on Sunday would just further solidify that
messi got 2 more world cups in him
will have 8/9 ballon d'or when he retires
first playing goat after sunday
you lot are fucking gassed!!!
how many of them so called 'GOATS' have done it on a wet and windy night at the brittania?
People tend to look back at football with a nostalgic mist over their eyes, like I said to Porchy Maradona had an unbelievable defence in 86.
Up until the last 15 mins of the final they had only conceeded 3 goals the entire tournament.
That is half what Italy conceeded when they won the World Cup in 82.
Nobody can win a tournament on their own, nobody, if they could Maradona woulda been more successful at Barcelona.
Mum's life, I called all the parallel's to Maradona in '86 to what Messi could do this summer.
1. Sabella is a disciple of Bilardo. Played under him, same philosophy
2. Maradona wasn't considered the best player in the world in the same manner Messi isn't at the moment.
3. Messi has to make up for 2010 the same way Maradona had to make up for 1982.
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It's funny because Zidane had a worse tournament in '98 but won it in the final.
Had 4 good games in 2006 but ultimately cost France the final.
Hasn't come close to Messi's club career, Ronaldo too infact.
Constant changes of goal posts, it's getting petty now.
They'll never be an outright best of all-time, however we can put among the greats if he does it on Sunday.
Agree with your post but disagree with this.
Only Pele has done it for club and country multiple times over different eras.
ye but look at his club though
have seen ppl discredit pele with the argument he was playing against a bunch of farmers
everything is opinion
imo cruyff is the goat
It's funny because Zidane had a worse tournament in '98 but won it in the final.
Had 4 good games in 2006 but ultimately cost France the final.
Hasn't come close to Messi's club career, Ronaldo too infact.
Constant changes of goal posts, it's getting petty now.
They'll never be an outright best of all-time, however we can put among the greats if he does it on Sunday.
Agree with your post but disagree with this.
Only Pele has done it for club and country multiple times over different eras.
I don't compare players who have played in different eras, too many variables. Hence why I don't think one player can be considered the GOAT.
LOL smh
Messi’s 125 Records*
After the harsh win yesterday against Netherlands, Messi finds himself one step away from holding the World Cup, to add his name to the elite list proudly.
Here are Messi’s 125 records that made him one of the greatest:
#1
Lionel Messi became the first Barcaplayer in 43 years to score 2 goals in the first 20 minutes of Match Day 1 of La Liga.
#2
Lionel Messi became the first Barcaplayer in 19 years to score in 3 consecutive Match Day 1′s of a La Liga season.
#3
Lionel Messi became the only player this century to score a total of 7 goals on Match Day 1 of La Liga (Forlan = 6, Negredo = 5).
#4
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player to score a total of 5 goals vs Real Sociedad at Camp Nou (After Rivaldo & Juan Manuel Asensi).
#5
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 18+ Clásico goals (Earlier, César Rodríguez Alvarez = 14).
#6
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 7 goals at Camp Nou vs Real Madrid (Evaristo de Macedo = 6).
#7
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of the Supercopa de España to score in 4 consecutive editions (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012).
#8
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score a brace in each of the first two games of the season.
#9
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 10 league goals against Osasuna (Samuel Eto’o = 8).
#10
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score the most away goals (5) in La Liga vs Osasuna (Luis Suárez Miramontes, Eulogio Martínez, Francisco José Carrasco = 3).
#11
Lionel Messi became the first player in 11 years to score in six consecutive games for Argentina.
#12
Lionel Messi surpassed his personal record of 60 goals in a calendar year during 2010, by scoring his 61st against Getafe.
#13
Lionel Messi became the first Barcaplayer in 59 years to score three braces in the first four league games of La Liga (László Kubala, 1953/54).
#14
Lionel Messi became the first player in 18 years to score 3 braces in the 1st four league games of La Liga (Iván Zamorano, 1994/95).
#15
Lionel Messi became only the 8th player in the history of La Liga to score 3 braces in the 1st four league games (Olivares, Mariano Martín, Pahiño, Zarra, Kubala, Puskas, Zamorano).
#16
Lionel Messi became the first Barcaplayer in 51 years to score 6 goals in the 1st four games of La Liga (Evaristo de Macedo, 1961/62).
#17
Lionel Messi became the first player in 13 years to score 6 goals in the 1st four games of La Liga (Salva Ballesta, 1999/00).
#18
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 5 goals at Getafe’s Coliseum Alfonso Pérez stadium (Roberto Soldado = 5).
#19
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of football to win the Onze d’Or award three times in a row (Michel Platini, 1983-1985).
#20
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 100 league goals at Camp Nou.
#21
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 150+ goals at Camp Nou.
#22
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 6+ league goals against Real Madrid at Camp Nou (Evaristo de Macedo & Gary Lineker = 5).
#23
Lionel Messi became the first Barcaplayer in 18 years to score 2 goals from direct free-kicks in a Clásico (Ronald Koeman, 1992-1994).
#24
Lionel Messi became the first player in 13 years to score 2 goals from direct free-kicks in a Clásico (1998/99).
#25
Lionel Messi became the only player to score 9 league goals against Iker Casillas (Samuel Eto’o = 8, David Villa = 7).
#26
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of El Clásico to be directly involved in 29 goals (18 goals, 11 assists).
#27
Lionel Messi (25y-110d) became the 5th youngest player in history to score 9 World Cup qualifying goals (after Marcelo Salas, Tostão, Obafemi Martins and Luis Suárez).
#28
Lionel Messi became the only player to score 2 free kicks during the CONMEBOL 2014 World Cup qualifying tournament (Dorlan Pabón, Juan Arango, James Rodríguez = 1).
#29
Lionel Messi became the only player to score 12+ goals for his country in 2012.
#30
Lionel Messi became only the 10th player in the history of Argentina to play 75 times for the national team (Javier Zanetti = 145).
#31
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of Argentina to score 12 goals for the national team in a calendar year (Gabriel Batistuta, 1998 = 12).
#32
Lionel Messi (59) broke his personal record of club goals in a calendar year, surpassing his previous personal best of 58 in 2010.
#33
Lionel Messi (43) broke his personal record of league goals in a calendar year, surpassing his previous personal best of 42 in 2010.
#34
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 59 goals in a calendar year (Cristiano Ronaldo = 43 in 2011).
#35
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 16 hat-tricks in La Liga (César Rodríguez Álvarez = 14).
#36
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 5 away hat-tricks in La Liga.
#37
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of Barcelona to score 6 goals at Deportivo de La Coruña’s Municipal de Riazor stadium (László Kubala = 6, Ronaldinho = 5).
#38
Lionel Messi became the first Barca player in 62 years to score 11 goals in the first eight league games (César Rodríguez Álvarez, 1950).
#39
Lionel Messi became the only player this century to score 13 goals in the first nine league games of La Liga (Salva Ballesta, 1999/00).
#40
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barca to score 4 away league goals vs Rayo Vallecano (Koeman = 3).
#41
Lionel Messi became the joint 10th player in the history of La Liga to score 182+ goals (Juan Arza).
#42
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 23+ international goals (club and country) in a calendar year.
#43
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of Barcelona to score 4 goals against Scottish opposition (Sándor Kocsis).
#44
Lionel Messi became only the 8th player in the history of La Liga to score 15 goals after the first 11 games of the season (Bata, Lángara, Pruden, Echevarría, Mariano Martín, Zarra, César).
#45
Lionel Messi became the first player in 62 years to score 15 goals in the first 11 Liga games of the season (César, 1950/51).
#46
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 11 goals in the first 6 away games of the season.
#47
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 6 league goals away at Mallorca (Kluivert = 5).
#48
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 11 goals against Mallorca (Tamudo = 10).
#49
Lionel Messi surpassed Pelé’s South American record of 75 goals in a calendar year, set in 1958, by scoring his 76th goal of 2012 away to Mallorca.
#50
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 6 goals vs Real Zaragoza at Camp Nou (Basora & Begiristain = 5).
#51
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 2 or more goals in a single game 55 times (Zarra = 76, Di Stéfano = 54).
#52
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player in the history of La Liga to score 13 goals vs Real Zaragoza (Ferenc Puskás, Raúl).
#53
Lionel Messi became the first player in 64 years to score 17 goals in the first 12 Liga games of the season (César, 1948/49).
#54
Lionel Messi became the joint 9th player in the history of La Liga to score 186+ goals (Santillana).
#55
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of the Champions League to score in 19 different cities (Raúl = 19, van Nistelrooy = 18).
#56
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of the Champions League to score 25+ away goals (van Nistelrooy = 24).
#57
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 4 goals vs Spartak Moscow (Romário, Koeman & Stoichkov = 2).
#58
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of football to score 25 international goals (club & country) in a calendar year (Vivian Woodward, 1909).
#59
Lionel Messi became the first player in the history of the Champions League to score 13 goals in a calendar year (Cristiano later equalled this record).
#60
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of Barcelona to score 7 goals vs Levante (Cayetano Ré).
#61
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 2+ goals in 4 consecutive away games (3 vs Deportivo, 2 vs Rayo, 2 vs Mallorca, 2 vs Levante).
#62
Lionel Messi became the first player in 69 years to score 19 goals in the first 13 Liga games of the season (Echevarría & Martín, 1943/44).
#63
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of football to be on the list of the final 3 nominees for the FIFA Ballon d’Or award, on six occasions (2007-2012).
#64
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of football to score 72 club goals in a calendar year (Gerd Müller, 1972).
#65
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 21 goals in the first 14 Liga games of the season.
#66
Lionel Messi became only the 4th player in the history of La Liga to score 21 goals in the first 14 league games of the season (Bata, Lángara & Pruden).
#67
Lionel Messi set a new personal record of scoring 2+ goals in 5 consecutive games for Barcelona (March 2010 = 4 consecutive games).
#68
Lionel Messi (228 games) became only the 2nd player in the history of Barcelona to score 190+ goals in La Liga (César Rodríguez Alvarez, 287 games).
#69
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 191+ league goals (César Rodríguez Alvarez = 192).
#70
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of football to score 79 club goals in a calendar year (Gerd Müller = 72, 1972).
#71
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 89+ away goals (Hugo Sánchez = 99, Raúl = 87).
#72
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of football to score 91 goals in a calendar year (Gerd Müller = 85, 1972).
#73
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of football to win the World Soccer Player of the Year award 3 times (Ronaldo).
#74
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of football to be nominated for the Laureus World Sportsman of the Year award, 4 consecutive times.
#75
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 26+ goals in the first half of the league season (Cristiano = 23).
#76
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 12 league goals vs Atlético de Madrid at Camp Nou (César Rodríguez Alvarez = 11).
#77
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 16 goals against Atlético de Madrid (César Rodríguez Alvarez = 15).
#78
Lionel Messi became the first player in 72 years to score 25 goals in the first 16 league games of the La Liga season (Pruden 1940/41).
#79
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player in the history of La Liga to score 25 goals in the first 16 league games of the season (Bata 1930/31, Pruden 1940/41).
#80
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score a brace in 6 consecutive league games.
#81
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score a brace in 6 consecutive league games (Telmo Zarra = 7, 1946/47).
#82
Lionel Messi became only the 8th player in the history of La Liga to score 196+ goals.
#83
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player in the history of La Liga to score 27 goals in the first 18 league games of the season (Bata 1930/31, Pruden 1940/1941).
#84
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of football to win the FIFA Ballon d’Or award 4 times (Platini, Cruyff, van Basten = 3).
#85
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga season to score 28 goals in the first half of the season (Cristiano 2011/12 = 23 goals).
#86
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 28+ goals in the first 19 league games of the season (Pruden 1940/41).
#87
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 17 away goals in the first half of the season.
#88
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score 10 league goals against Málaga.
#89
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player in the history of La Liga to score 10 league goals against Málaga (Tamudo = 12, Cristiano = 10).
#90
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 29+ goals in the first 20 league games of the season (Pruden 1940/41).
#91
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Spanish football to score 40+ goals in four consecutive seasons.
#92
Lionel Messi became the only player to score more than three goals in a league game on 3 separate occasions this century (Cristiano = 2).
#93
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 33 goals in the first 21 league games of the season (Pruden 1940/41).
#94
Lionel Messi became the first Barca player this century to score 18 penalties in La Liga at the Camp Nou (Ronaldinho = 17).
#95
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player in the history of Barcelona to score 13+ consecutive penalties in La Liga (Ronald Koeman = 25, László Kubala = 22).
#96
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Spanish football to score 30+ league goals in 4 consecutive seasons (34 – 31 – 50 – 37 ongoing).
#97
Lionel Messi (2009-13) became only the 3rd player in the history of Europe’s big 4 leagues to score 30+ league goals in 4 consecutive seasons (Dave Halladay 1925-29 & Jimmy Greaves 1960-64).
#98
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score in 17 consecutive match days (Mariano Martín 1942/43 – 1943/44 & Ronaldo 1996/97 = 10 games).
#99
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score in 17 consecutive match days in a single season (Ronaldo = 10, 1996/97).
#100
Lionel Messi (25y-217d) became the youngest player in the history of La Liga to score 200 goals (Telmo Zarra = 29y-352d).
#101
Lionel Messi became only the 8th player in the history of La Liga to score 200+ goals.
#102
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 14 goals against Osasuna (David Villa = 13).
#103
Lionel Messi became only the 4th player in the history of La Liga to score 16+ hat-tricks (Di Stéfano, Zarra = 22, Cristiano = 17).
#104
Lionel Messi became the first player in 52 years to score 3 pokers (4 goals in a match) in La Liga (Kubala, Di Stéfano = 1961).
#105
Lionel Messi became only the 5th player in the history of La Liga to score a poker vs Osasuna (Armando Merodio in 1959, Quique Setién in 1984, Xavier Escaich in 1994, Ruud van Nistelrooy in 2006).
#106
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 34 goals in the first 22 league games of the season (Pruden = 33 goals, 1940/41).
#107
Lionel Messi became only the 3rd player in the history of Barcelona to score 26 penalties in La Liga (Koeman = 45, Kubala = 26).
#108
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score 35 goals in the first 23 league games of the season (Zarra = 30 in 1950/51).
#109
Lionel Messi set a new personal record of scoring 22 away league goals, surpassing his personal best of 18 during 2009/10.
#110
Lionel Messi set a new personal record of scoring 29 goals outside Camp Nou, surpassing his previous best of 27 during 2011/12.
#111
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of La Liga to score 22 away league goals in a season (Cristiano = 23).
#112
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of La Liga to score in 11 consecutive away games in a season (Cristiano = 8, 2011/12).
#113
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Barcelona to score in 13 Liga away games in a single season.
#114
Lionel Messi became only the 4th player in the history of Spanish football to score 306+ goals for a single club (Zarra = 335, Raúl = 323, Di Stéfano = 307).
#115
Lionel Messi (ARG) became the only foreigner to play 25 Clásicos (Roberto Carlos BRA = 24, Luís Figo POR = 23).
#116
Lionel Messi (2007-2013) became only the 2nd player in the history of El Clásico to score 18 goals (di Stéfano, 1953-1963).
#117
Lionel Messi (328 goals) became the 3rd highest scorer in official & friendly games in the history of Barca (Alcántara = 369, Samitier = 333).
#118
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of Spanish football to score 50+ goals in three consecutive seasons (2010/11 = 53. 2011/12 = 73. 2012/13 = 53).
#119
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of the top 4 leagues to score 40+ goals in 2 consecutive seasons (Cristiano, 2010/11 & 2011/12).
#120
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of football to score in 17 consecutive league games (Teodor Peterek = 16, 1937/38).
#121
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of the Champions League to score 5+ goals against AC Milan (Wayne Rooney= 6).
#122
Lionel Messi became the only player this century to score 58 goals in the Champions League (Raúl = 56, van Nistelrooy = 48).
#123
Lionel Messi became only the 2nd player in the history of the Champions League (main tournament) to score 58+ goals (Raúl = 71, van Nistelrooy = 56).
#124
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of the Champions League to score 16 braces (Raúl = 14).
#125
Lionel Messi became the only player in the history of the Champions League to score 28 goals in the knock-out stages (Cristiano = 22).
*felt like I was scrolling forever as I was reading it on my phone so I put in a spoiler so everyone doesn’t have to go through the same thing unless they want to.
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LOL smh
It's funny because Zidane had a worse tournament in '98 but won it in the final.
Had 4 good games in 2006 but ultimately cost France the final.
Hasn't come close to Messi's club career, Ronaldo too infact.
Constant changes of goal posts, it's getting petty now.
They'll never be an outright best of all-time, however we can put among the greats if he does it on Sunday.
Preach. Preaaaach
ye but look at his club though
have seen ppl discredit pele with the argument he was playing against a bunch of farmers
everything is opinion
imo cruyff is the goat
What Pele achieved over 12 years isn't opinion, it's fact.
You can say look at his club but end of the day Coutinho at Santos didn't achieve as much as Pele.
You can say look at his country but end of the day Garrincha didn't achieve as much as Pele.
You can say the defending wasn't sophisticated in the 50's but he did it in 1970 aswell when the likes of Moore and Beckenbauer were playing.
The big difference I've seen when goat talk is happening is people will talk about every other players achievements but will try to find excuses against Pele's.
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its fact until you compare it to what a next man has done
thats when opinion comes into play no?
comparing pele at santos to coutinho at santos is pointless, what is it an almost 30 year difference? leave it
as for your last point this is the nature of player to player arguments invariably someones achievements r gonna get downplayed
sidebar: would i be wrong in saying most of peles legacy is forged off the back of performances on the world stage rather than the 1000+ goals against migrant workers?
Coutinho was Pele's strike partner at Santos bro.
A brilliant footballer who didn't achieve legendary status with Brazil, read up on him.
That's what I'm saying, only Pele's achievement's seem to get downplayed, make no mistake much of it is tribalism, many don't want a black player considered goat.
When I was younger and less socially aware I was on the side of Maradona, not realising I was propagating the disrespect (like the migrant workers comment) injustice and agenda.
Pele didn't need to handball to win his titles, he trained in order to make those jumps legally, as a true champion trains all facets of his play.
Now imagine if Pele had handballed it and Maradona didnt, does Pele's legacy not go downwards?
Imagine if Pele with all his achievements were white, would he not be elevated? think about it.
Outside the World Cup in 86 Maradona didn't have a great club career at all, why is this rarely mentioned?
Pele's legacy is a result of many things:
Being Brazils all time leading scorer
Being in 3 WC winning squads
Winning 2 doubles of Copa and Intercontinental twice in a row
Getting the better of other goat candidates like Eusebio, Garrincha, Jairzinho for Santos.
Being the youngest player to score a hatrick, play in and win a world cup.
Having never lost an international match when playing with Garrincha
Etc...
the overwhelming majority of those achievements u listed r all international duty accolades no?
as far as race goes 9 times out of 10 pele is the answer when GOAT is the question and he is fifas player of the century so thats pretty decisive
countinho ye that was my bad, but i hear u big homie
cruyff for me is the greatest of all time but a man could easily say platini or zidane or whoever is better and then we have to do the head to head
and when you're dealing with ballers of superior ability invariably it comes down to trophy haul and ofc the world cup is the best of them all
thats why it dont matter too too much how well messi plays, if he wins he's ticked off the last empty box on his resume with at least five years left
and if he scores in the final who is going to believe he didnt dominate in years time when you look at his numbers?
anyways its all long cruyff the player, coach, manager, god >>
LOL this GOAT stuff will be never ending
IMO you can't have 1 goat there would be about 3-5 from different eras
LOL this GOAT stuff will be never ending
IMO you can't have 1 goat there would be about 3-5 from different eras
hmmmm
you can never proclaim someone the goat on ability alone so invariably it comes down to numbers
but when you have someone supremely talented who dont stop winning it makes it a lot easier
if messi wins a world cup or three its open and shut imo
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