O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Guy chatting shit He is obviously looking in from the outside 20 years ago would of been 94/95 PL was nowhere near the top If anything it's a mirror image to now Poor results in Europe No genuine Elite players The winter break excuse only used to crop up to masks The National team's failures one of many excuses. When Rafa and Sir Alex were taking to teams to finals not once was there a mention of a winter break instead we were hearing things like "Best League in World" "The Big 4" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Think I'll go with what this guy says THE difference. It's a factor. It's not the difference. Because the same sort of flaws you see post-Jan, you'll see at the beginning of the season domestically between EPL teams, and in the early stages of the UCL group stages. When Bayern played City off the park, WITH the ball, WITH a man down earlier on this season...you put that down to a winter break? LOL, then fast forward a few months, Chelsea vs. PSG, PSG a man down for the majority of the game and...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Typical England cannot be humble enough expect your clubs teams and national team are not good enough also your league has sidemen scattered around your big teams. The Germans accepted that and started from scratch with a brand new blueprint and philosophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 & that is just the fitness aspect The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing. Again Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development. The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal. You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Guys need to remember the CL is a cup competition... Some d*ckhead logic Does the best team in Europe always win the competion in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic 99-outplayed for large periods of the game 05-penalties 08-penalties 12-penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i5_PRODUCER Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 & that is just the fitness aspect The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing. Again Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development. The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal. You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing. Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 & that is just the fitness aspect The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing. Again Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development. The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal. You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing. Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it. Listen, when we talk about time, have a glance at how long managers last on the continent. EPL managers have it a tad better if anything, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic 99-outplayed for large periods of the game 05-penalties 08-penalties 12-penalties TBF, United at the time were the best team in Europe in 2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Guys need to remember the CL is a cup competition...Some d*ckhead logic Does the best team in Europe always win the competion in your opinion? So are you trying to tell me you rather win a competition full of fodder because you play more games than win a competition which features the best teams from your continent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i5_PRODUCER Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic 99-outplayed for large periods of the game 05-penalties 08-penalties 12-penalties LOL , This guy just has it in for the PL some one definitely refused to sign your PL football back in the day , bitter since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic 99-outplayed for large periods of the game 05-penalties 08-penalties 12-penalties TBF, United at the time were the best team in Europe in 2008. Fully agreed but huff and puffed to win it like most English teams do when they win CL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic 99-outplayed for large periods of the game 05-penalties 08-penalties 12-penalties LOL , This guy just has it in for the PL some one definitely refused to sign your PL football back in the day , bitter since. Why would I want a ball signed by Zidane,Ronaldo,Figo to get dust on it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 & that is just the fitness aspect The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing. Again Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development. The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal. You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing. Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it. Listen, when we talk about time, have a glance at how long managers last on the continent. EPL managers have it a tad better if anything, LOL. Same Liverpool who bounced from CL to EL to one game a week in no time But looked world beaters against Man City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Are we gonna ignore the fact that over the last 10 years one of the 3 most consistent teams in the CL is English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agony Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 When a team from The PL win CL it's never a clean win Always re-guard performance never a footballing clinic 99-outplayed for large periods of the game 05-penalties 08-penalties 12-penalties TBF, United at the time were the best team in Europe in 2008. 2008 United squad was flexible enough to adapt to any team and any style of football.GK and back 4 picked themselves but the 6 in front of them could be rotated depending on the opposition. E.g. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/20/teams-of-the-decade-3-manchester-united-2006-09/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Are we gonna ignore the fact that over the last 10 years one of the 3 most consistent teams in the CL is English. No surprise that the coach who was there for the longest literally & in terms of influence is the most attentive to detail in the league? That, in addition to their ability to acquire top players & you get the answer. BTW, one team isn't enough. It's 5-6 clubs across UCL football AND Europa League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mame Biram Diouf Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 & that is just the fitness aspect The detail you're talking about comes from a lack of interest from the higher ups in improving a clubs way of playing. Again Most PL clubs only care about MONEY. they have no time to develop systems and "innovate" so they do what they can to survive in the league While being managed by "Big sam " who has no tactical nous nor any interest in youth development. The lack of attention to detail is a cultural thing i.e. how simply we look at tactics. For example, 3-5-2 is the reason why United were playing poorly. These times, Liverpool with a weaker squad, switched to a 3-4-2-1 system, with attacking wingers playing as wingbacks (Ibe/Markovic), Henderson & Allen in CM, Emre Can at CB & Sterling as a lone striker yet are the most in-form team in the league aside from Arsenal. You believe it starts at the top. I disagree & believe it starts at grassroots level & it's widespread thing. Ok i accept that. But the time given to a manager to achieve those results comes from if the board is willing. Which is usually never the case , they throw cash @ it. Listen, when we talk about time, have a glance at how long managers last on the continent. EPL managers have it a tad better if anything, LOL. Think a big factor is that Spanish clubs tend to have a consistent playing style and a director of football who makes the signings In the prem a new manager comes in with new ideas on how to play which can completely go against the previous manager and coaches, he then proceeds to bring in his own players, gets sacked a year later and the cycle continues. Either keep a manager with a similar philosophy who is will keep the tactics similar and be able to the use the current players in his teams or give the new manager time to implement his ideas and accept short term failure as a consequence Just look at Fulham, Rene wanted to bring youngsters through, play better football, they sign a good prospect in Larnell Cole, Magath then comes in and Cole is now in abyss. Could cite so many other examples of it happening at different clubs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mame Biram Diouf Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Another major difference is the fans, they are more tactically stupid then other fans on the continent holistically speaking. Just look at the way people talk about players like Carrick. Had an argument with some English fans who said Gerrard in his peak behind Torres was better then Iniesta. Reasons cited was his goals scored, his willingness to run back and tackle and that he carried a team on his own. Look at how many people were writing off Van Gaal without actually reading up on and understanding what he believes in and tries to implement at other clubs be has been at. Look at the shit pundits we have to watch week in, week out, the awful opinions we have to debate against in the minority at work day in, day out. When we keep the ball against teams it is boring, negative etc, but in Europe it is fundamental to slow the game down, keep hold of the ball and play your game rather than counter there's like a Moyes Boy would. In Van Gaal, Koeman, Rodgers, Poch we do have some potential to improve our game but they all need time, money and support to do so. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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O Fenomeno Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Are we gonna ignore the fact that over the last 10 years one of the 3 most consistent teams in the CL is English. Chelsea yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agony Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Kompany: “They’re a special team with special players, of course. I think their ability is not about hurting you all game - you can have tougher games when you go to Stoke City." These days the pace of the Prem and cold nights at the Britannia and other stadiums isn't good enough preparation for European competitions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Foreign teams began to match & even surpass the intensity. Arsenal vs. Barcelona/BVB Chelsea vs. Atletico/PSG United vs. Bilbao Just a few examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Three of the biggest myths 1. Consistency of playing style Only Barca y Villarreal have had the same playing style over the last ten years. 2. Sporting Director/Director Of Football influence They don't have power anymore and haven't had a major say in transfers for years Since the days of Mijatovic@Real(truly awful transfers were made) y Monchi who was lauded a transfer guru(due to his signings of Dani Alves,Keita e Julio Baptista) an SD/DOF has had zero influence 3. The last and biggest myth that La Liga coaches are allowed more time How is this even possible if Diego Simeone is the league's longest serving manager since Winter 2011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Reds Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Another major difference is the fans, they are more tactically stupid then other fans on the continent holistically speaking. Just look at the way people talk about players like Carrick. Had an argument with some English fans who said Gerrard in his peak behind Torres was better then Iniesta. Reasons cited was his goals scored, his willingness to run back and tackle and that he carried a team on his own. Look at how many people were writing off Van Gaal without actually reading up on and understanding what he believes in and tries to implement at other clubs be has been at. Look at the sh*t pundits we have to watch week in, week out, the awful opinions we have to debate against in the minority at work day in, day out. When we keep the ball against teams it is boring, negative etc, but in Europe it is fundamental to slow the game down, keep hold of the ball and play your game rather than counter there's like a Moyes Boy would. In Van Gaal, Koeman, Rodgers, Poch we do have some potential to improve our game but they all need time, money and support to do so. sorry but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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