Black Ant Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 so frustrating when athiest go down the moral route. you dont know what is right or wrong. you have an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilliam Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 With or without religion we would still have morals, so I don't think people are trying (in the half hearted way you're implying) to live well because they expect a reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gayle Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 so frustrating when athiest go down the moral route. you dont know what is right or wrong. you have an opinion. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gayle Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 With or without religion we would still have morals, so I don't think people are trying (in the half hearted way you're implying) to live well because they expect a reward. I would imagine they are many God fearing Christians around the world who are doing what I am implying. Which poses the question do they worship God due to fear or love ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilliam Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Maybe in Africa or any other archaic society where the desperation is palpable. But not here. That problem has more to do with Organised Religion and Immense Poverty than anything else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Ant Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 so frustrating when athiest go down the moral route. you dont know what is right or wrong. you have an opinion. ? done this before but.... with your world view morality is subjective based on society and opinion. So what is right and wrong for you, might not be for someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 With or without religion we would still have morals, so I don't think people are trying (in the half hearted way you're implying) to live well because they expect a reward. au contraire wilberforce and thornton, the figureheads of the clapham sect in the 19th century, did much to revitalise and transform morality in Britain evangelical christians have done much to help civilize the world by instilling those shrouded by darkness with morals and the light of god the importance of religion cannot be downplayed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Martinez Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 i recommend you read the metaphysical bible dictionary along with the bible get a different understanding that way What is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gayle Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 so frustrating when athiest go down the moral route. you dont know what is right or wrong. you have an opinion. ? done this before but.... with your world view morality is subjective based on society and opinion. So what is right and wrong for you, might not be for someone else. It pretty much Universally accepted that raping a child is wrong. But then again, as I discussed with my manager who is a devote JW, I questioned why is God on such a killing and raping vibe, countless times its mentioned in the bible to kill children etc. Anyway not getting into that. The purpose of this thread was to find out why christians believe in what they beleive. Good debate so far TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavant Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Why didn't you say 'FAO Muslims'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Martinez Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 With or without religion we would still have morals, so I don't think people are trying (in the half hearted way you're implying) to live well because they expect a reward. au contraire wilberforce and thornton, the figureheads of the clapham sect in the 19th century, did much to revitalise and transform morality in Britain evangelical christians have done much to help civilize the world by instilling those shrouded by darkness with morals and the light of god the importance of religion cannot be downplayed! It's impact on humanity is unquestionable. Both good and bad. Is it all "true" though? Does he exist? Can it be "true" based on 'recent' scientific findings? Why do a lot of the world's most educated people still believe in either of Abra's big 3? why why whyyyyy?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilliam Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 The people being raped, pillaged are literally, the pagans. It was religious beef. It stopped towards the end of the Old Testament and many of the more controversial passages people point to are also in the OT. That's why there's a New Testament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Esquilax Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 With or without religion we would still have morals, so I don't think people are trying (in the half hearted way you're implying) to live well because they expect a reward. au contraire wilberforce and thornton, the figureheads of the clapham sect in the 19th century did much to revitalise and transform morality in Britain evangelical christians have done much to help civilize the world by instilling those shrouded by darkness with morals and the light of god the importance of religion cannot be downplayed! It most certainly can Ant's argument always falters because he believes that objective morality can't exist without someone/ something to dictate it, which is obviously not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Ant Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 so frustrating when athiest go down the moral route. you dont know what is right or wrong. you have an opinion. ? done this before but.... with your world view morality is subjective based on society and opinion. So what is right and wrong for you, might not be for someone else. It pretty much Universally accepted that raping a child is wrong. But then again, as I discussed with my manager who is a devote JW, I questioned why is God on such a killing vibe, countless times its mentioned in the bible to kill children etc. Anyway not getting into that. The purpose of this thread was to find out why christians believe in what they beleive. Good debate so far TBH Universally accepted isnt objective though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gayle Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 The people being raped, pillaged are literally, the pagans. It was religious beef. It stopped towards the end of the Old Testament and many of the more controversial passages people point to are also in the OT. That's why there's a New Testament. Ok cool, see this is something I never knew or was aware of. I just would blinding say "well if he is so loving why is he doing this" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 With or without religion we would still have morals, so I don't think people are trying (in the half hearted way you're implying) to live well because they expect a reward. au contraire wilberforce and thornton, the figureheads of the clapham sect in the 19th century did much to revitalise and transform morality in Britain evangelical christians have done much to help civilize the world by instilling those shrouded by darkness with morals and the light of god the importance of religion cannot be downplayed! It most certainly can Ant's argument always falters because he believes that objective morality can't exist without someone/ something to dictate it, which is obviously not true of course objective morality can exist without religion as there will always be enlightened intellectuals, such as your self mr. bish, who can stand on their own and do not need god's love because you are already advanced individuals however, without god and religion there would still be an amass of lost sheep ie pagans, who would still be living in squalor if it wasn't for the help of the holy Shepard, as they have the misfortune of not being as gifted as yourself Why do you think so many ex-criminals and drug addicts change their lives after accepting and embracing the saviour jesus christ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilliam Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 "Ant's argument always falters because he believes that objective morality can't exist without someone/ something to dictate it, which is obviously not true" I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what he was getting at. At least I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Somalian Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 said it before on here and i will say it again there is no such thing as god u are a god urself only thing is I have christians coming up to me and I feel bad mind to say that to them but when Im hungover I dont give a F knocking on my door when I am asleep I tell them there is no such thing as god then go to bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrigan Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 WORD IS BOND GAWD YO GAAAAAAAAAWD WORD IS BOND SON, WORD IS BOND 2 FOR 5'S OVER HERE YAAAAL BROTHERS GOT GARBAGE 'ROUND THE WAY GAWD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Esquilax Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 "Ant's argument always falters because he believes that objective morality can't exist without someone/ something to dictate it, which is obviously not true" I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite of what he was getting at. At least I hope. Nah it's what he's said countless times before 'Where does morality come from?' 'Inside ur brainz when you're born' 'So who put THAT there' It's like an endless cycle Always trying to attribute sh*t to something terminally unprovable, when there are other answers I don't know why you'd think like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RemiBon Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 LALZ AT NOT BELIEVING IN GOD, U THINK SCIENCE MADE THIS? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafter Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 i recommend you read the metaphysical bible dictionary along with the bible get a different understanding that way What is this? It was complled by the Unity School of Christianity from the writings of a man called Charles Filmore This one-of-a-kind volume presents the esoteric meanings of names and people, places, key words, and phrases found in the Bible. The ideas presented in this Bible reference book are based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and are presented in a cross-denominational format. If you look up a word in it, for example Jacob it will give you the origin of the word, the meanings, then a metaphysical explanation of how it occurs in the bible. So it explains what Jacob represents from a non literal, spiritual perspective. Not just as a person but what part of the human pscyhe or consciousness in relation to the Creator this particular character represents and how his interaction with other characters in the bible relate to the spiritual development of mankind. / Agree God isn't a man in the sky God is the spirit which is within all of us, people just need to wake it up and connect with eachother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Esquilax Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Science will allow us to create the perfect backoff mate #Bungod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermalt Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Why didn't you say 'FAO Muslims'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.