MOBO Awards 2011

[Guest phonecharger]

bb-beeng

[djbmc]

everytime i look at the list of nominees i look at what i have on my itunes/ipod

0 - unless its a yank

we dont half put out some sh*t

Lol, amen.

[Mic Man]

best reggae act? no vybz kartel or I Octane cant be serious

[MARVELL]

every year we moan about the same thing, but if we be honest ..our moaning is at least getting better or less critical

The Mobos were always 100% reliant on the talent that made waves in the wider music UK industry

therefore they could not just put in all that investment, charge the amonts they do for tickets and get F list celebs to present awards.....only for the awards to be full of channel Aka dons unknown to 99.9% of the music buying public.

so as much as you want to see your local champions get nominated and win 8 awards it was never gonna happen.

now that the channel aka dons have crossed over to the mainstream market we can now give sighs of releif at most of the nominations this year (it started from last year).

No more a need to scrounge their archives and look for what award they HAVENT given jamelia or mark morrison or Beverley knight as the token credible black british act or others who hadnt released anything worth listening to for years. They have a good selection this yr even though they stil brought out some grave yard nominees.

They still need to sort out the way they rush at giving white acts a blank cheque whenever they release anything that has anything to do with black or 'urban' music. Like ed sheeran, wtf has he done to deserve a nomination.

black acts (even the very good ones) have to literally sell out tours and sell truckloads of singles/albums to so much as get a nod at the BRITS talkless of win.. the MOBOs were designed for such people. f*ck diversity...cos it doesnt exist so build your own legacy, it will eventually pay off. But the MOBOs havent quite done that yet.

i WILL WATCH IT AS ALWAYS..to get a laugh. its already funny that lebara mobile sponsors it. thought it would be Vectone Mobile this year or PAKs, but after raiding his shop in wood green he may never want to do this in future.

[Im Broke]

every year we moan about the same thing, but if we be honest ..our moaning is at least getting better or less critical

The Mobos were always 100% reliant on the talent that made waves in the wider music UK industry

therefore they could not just put in all that investment, charge the amonts they do for tickets and get F list celebs to present awards.....only for the awards to be full of channel Aka dons unknown to 99.9% of the music buying public.

so as much as you want to see your local champions get nominated and win 8 awards it was never gonna happen.

now that the channel aka dons have crossed over to the mainstream market we can now give sighs of releif at most of the nominations this year (it started from last year).

No more a need to scrounge their archives and look for what award they HAVENT given jamelia or mark morrison or Beverley knight as the token credible black british act or others who hadnt released anything worth listening to for years. They have a good selection this yr even though they stil brought out some grave yard nominees.

They still need to sort out the way they rush at giving white acts a blank cheque whenever they release anything that has anything to do with black or 'urban' music. Like ed sheeran, wtf has he done to deserve a nomination.

black acts (even the very good ones) have to literally sell out tours and sell truckloads of singles/albums to so much as get a nod at the BRITS talkless of win.. the MOBOs were designed for such people. f*ck diversity...cos it doesnt exist so build your own legacy, it will eventually pay off. But the MOBOs havent quite done that yet.

i WILL WATCH IT AS ALWAYS..to get a laugh. its already funny that lebara mobile sponsors it. thought it would be Vectone Mobile this year or PAKs, but after raiding his shop in wood green he may never want to do this in future.

The Mobos use to be much better, back when Beverley Knight, Shola Ama, So Solid, Craig David, Oxide and Neutrino were all making waves they actually were a good representation of Black UK music, now all i see is a bunch of rappers who rap on dance beats and a bunch of blue eyed soul singers. The UK scene is a farce, not one black artistssince So Solid Oxide and Neutrino, Dizee Rascal has made waves doing authentic 'urban' music, eveyone is following the same formula of jumping on techno beats and if its not that their employing white indie singers on the hooks of their tune in attempts to blow.

[Agony]

What as Omar put out this year?

[MARVELL]

every year we moan about the same thing, but if we be honest ..our moaning is at least getting better or less critical

The Mobos were always 100% reliant on the talent that made waves in the wider music UK industry

therefore they could not just put in all that investment, charge the amonts they do for tickets and get F list celebs to present awards.....only for the awards to be full of channel Aka dons unknown to 99.9% of the music buying public.

so as much as you want to see your local champions get nominated and win 8 awards it was never gonna happen.

now that the channel aka dons have crossed over to the mainstream market we can now give sighs of releif at most of the nominations this year (it started from last year).

No more a need to scrounge their archives and look for what award they HAVENT given jamelia or mark morrison or Beverley knight as the token credible black british act or others who hadnt released anything worth listening to for years. They have a good selection this yr even though they stil brought out some grave yard nominees.

They still need to sort out the way they rush at giving white acts a blank cheque whenever they release anything that has anything to do with black or 'urban' music. Like ed sheeran, wtf has he done to deserve a nomination.

black acts (even the very good ones) have to literally sell out tours and sell truckloads of singles/albums to so much as get a nod at the BRITS talkless of win.. the MOBOs were designed for such people. f*ck diversity...cos it doesnt exist so build your own legacy, it will eventually pay off. But the MOBOs havent quite done that yet.

i WILL WATCH IT AS ALWAYS..to get a laugh. its already funny that lebara mobile sponsors it. thought it would be Vectone Mobile this year or PAKs, but after raiding his shop in wood green he may never want to do this in future.

The Mobos use to be much better, back when Beverley Knight, Shola Ama, So Solid, Craig David, Oxide and Neutrino were all making waves they actually were a good representation of Black UK music, now all i see is a bunch of rappers who rap on dance beats and a bunch of blue eyed soul singers. The UK scene is a farce, not one black artistssince So Solid Oxide and Neutrino, Dizee Rascal has made waves doing authentic 'urban' music, eveyone is following the same formula of jumping on techno beats and if its not that their employing white indie singers on the hooks of their tune in attempts to blow.

so again you are talking about the UK scene, of which the Mobos have no control over. they are not a record label or music video company.

beverley knight dem were big for one or two yrs.. Bev knight is sh*t..just decent in terms of her production..great voice but thre have never been consistently good 'MOBO' artists for a MOBO award to feature credible acts.. u mention so solid like they were big for like 5 yrs..they had one big yrs and then imploded. same with ms dynamite, akala, jamelia, etc etc

[Skola]

I made some form of positive message in the thread last year so let me do so again.

ADELE

CHASE & STATUS

CHIPMUNK

EXAMPLE

JESSIE J

KATY B

N - DUBZ

WRETCH 32

THE STREETS

TINIE TEMPAH

8/10 of these artists have had a uk number 1 single

half of which are black / mixed men from inner city london

(edit - this year or in the last 12 months?)

thats progress.

[Im Broke]

I made some form of positive message in the thread last year so let me do so again.

ADELE

CHASE & STATUS

CHIPMUNK

EXAMPLE

JESSIE J

KATY B

N - DUBZ

WRETCH 32

THE STREETS

TINIE TEMPAH

8/10 of these artists have had a uk number 1 single

half of which are black / mixed men from inner city london

(edit - this year or in the last 12 months?)

thats progress.

3 are black and make sh*t music, thats not progress.

[Im Broke]

every year we moan about the same thing, but if we be honest ..our moaning is at least getting better or less critical

The Mobos were always 100% reliant on the talent that made waves in the wider music UK industry

therefore they could not just put in all that investment, charge the amonts they do for tickets and get F list celebs to present awards.....only for the awards to be full of channel Aka dons unknown to 99.9% of the music buying public.

so as much as you want to see your local champions get nominated and win 8 awards it was never gonna happen.

now that the channel aka dons have crossed over to the mainstream market we can now give sighs of releif at most of the nominations this year (it started from last year).

No more a need to scrounge their archives and look for what award they HAVENT given jamelia or mark morrison or Beverley knight as the token credible black british act or others who hadnt released anything worth listening to for years. They have a good selection this yr even though they stil brought out some grave yard nominees.

They still need to sort out the way they rush at giving white acts a blank cheque whenever they release anything that has anything to do with black or 'urban' music. Like ed sheeran, wtf has he done to deserve a nomination.

black acts (even the very good ones) have to literally sell out tours and sell truckloads of singles/albums to so much as get a nod at the BRITS talkless of win.. the MOBOs were designed for such people. f*ck diversity...cos it doesnt exist so build your own legacy, it will eventually pay off. But the MOBOs havent quite done that yet.

i WILL WATCH IT AS ALWAYS..to get a laugh. its already funny that lebara mobile sponsors it. thought it would be Vectone Mobile this year or PAKs, but after raiding his shop in wood green he may never want to do this in future.

The Mobos use to be much better, back when Beverley Knight, Shola Ama, So Solid, Craig David, Oxide and Neutrino were all making waves they actually were a good representation of Black UK music, now all i see is a bunch of rappers who rap on dance beats and a bunch of blue eyed soul singers. The UK scene is a farce, not one black artistssince So Solid Oxide and Neutrino, Dizee Rascal has made waves doing authentic 'urban' music, eveyone is following the same formula of jumping on techno beats and if its not that their employing white indie singers on the hooks of their tune in attempts to blow.

so again you are talking about the UK scene, of which the Mobos have no control over. they are not a record label or music video company.

beverley knight dem were big for one or two yrs.. Bev knight is sh*t..just decent in terms of her production..great voice but thre have never been consistently good 'MOBO' artists for a MOBO award to feature credible acts.. u mention so solid like they were big for like 5 yrs..they had one big yrs and then imploded. same with ms dynamite, akala, jamelia, etc etc

Beverley Knight and Craig David had a good 5 year run.

[MARVELL]

2 artists are not enough to sustsain a whole award movement

she has probably won more mobos than other other artist

which is good, but there was not enough people to sustain the entire awards

another reason why she has so many.

[Im Broke]

2 artists are not enough to sustsain a whole award movement

she has probably won more mobos than other other artist

which is good, but there was not enough people to sustain the entire awards

another reason why she has so many.

There was Lyden David Hall, Mysteeq, Lemar, Craig David, Big Brovaz, Black Twang, Roots Manuva, Rodney P, Estelle, true say it only came about in 2003 though for some reason i thought it started in the 90's.

[Dubby]

Wikipedia says it started in 1995. I don't remember any awards other than the one where Kano performed with Ghetto, can't remember what the tracks called, that one about fighting with bouncers.

[Esquilax]

Wikipedia says it started in 1995. I don't remember any awards other than the one where Kano performed with Ghetto, can't remember what the tracks called, that one about fighting with bouncers.

Tune

[Trilliam]

its always kano getting in the madness

me im in the corner sipping on champers

ghetts stole that one still. should've stuck to spitting like that on comersh tings not this "you cant see me like a snakes shoulder" bullshit

"skepta how did you kill him like that when he's skipping all over the riddim like that" - parred mans whole career with this bar

[Benicio del Toney]

The MOBO's give man joke still.

Ed Sheeran is urban lol so I guess he would come under MOBO, however bizarre it seems.

Aloe Blacc better clean up International artist, I have a feeling they will give it to Wiz though smfh

Jessie J does not make MOBO, she is sh*t!

Adele makes soul music so would be come under MOBO.

Example is bollocks, how man like that get a record deal again?

Emeli Sandi is 1 of the genuinely decent artists on there but with 1 single is that enough for best newcomer?

Surprised Amy Winehouse ain't on that list knowing the MOBO's.

[Dubby]

she's getting that special one they give to the big influences, that one that they gave to Run DMC and Bob Marley before

[JGGB]

I have no idea what a Rizzle Kicks is when its at home.

Can see Tinie and Wretch doin alright

That Triple O guy in the gospel saw him a few weeks back at a church event so would hope he wins cos I've never heard of the others

If Giggs was to win a MOBO prob still wouldn't stop feds locking his raves!

[Supernova]

Rizzle Kicks are alright still, from brighton or something...

[Goddaz]

Interesting article, streets & Elija made some good/valid points as well

The annual storm brewing over the Mobos is more turbulent than ever this year. Launched in 1996, the Music of Black Origin awards usually attract two types of responses to their cumbersome name: "Isn't most pop music of black origin? Ask Elvis or the Rolling Stones!' and, more problematically, "Why are there no awards for music of white origin?". The nominees for this year's Mobo awards, announced on Wednesday night, have provoked more consternation than usual, owing to the proportion of white faces on the list.

With Jessie J leading the 2011 nominations with five – best album, best newcomer, best UK act, best video and best song – and Adele weighing in with four, eyebrows have been raised, with the Times describing it as a "whitewash". The suggestion is that, with her fame and multi-platinum selling album, 21, Adele will garner a bigger media profile for the awards ceremony, which takes place on 5 October in Glasgow.

Janice Brown, in an article for the Voice newspaper headlined "All white on the night?", asked whether the Mobos were letting down black artists by giving greater emphasis to white singers such as Jessie J and Katy B. "Mobo is really leaning on the 'origin' part of their name, aren't they?" she wrote, suggesting the initial remit of giving a platform to unheard black music had been forgotten. While the Mobos are being criticised for not providing this promotional leg-up, the bigger question arising from the revolution in black British music in the last few years is whether it even needs them any more.

Austin Daboh from BBC 1Xtra, a station that has faced similarly vexed questions about what is defined as "black" or "urban" music, has seen the sea-change at close quarters. "There have been several false dawns for black British music in the mainstream," he explains, citing the fleeting but shallow interest in jungle and drum'n'bass in the late 1990s, the glut of number one singles coming from UK garage around the turn of the decade, and then the gold rush to sign grime MCs following Dizzee Rascal's Mercury win in 2003 – none of which heralded the long overdue move of black British music into the charts.

During those years, much like the industry at large, the Mobos relied on market-proven imports of American hip-hop and R'n'B. Over the same period it was difficult for black British music to get a look in. "When I first joined 1Xtra six years ago," recalls Daboh, "I was scheduling the music for a show, and I remember being told off for placing two UK tracks back-to-back. And look at it now." Some of the daytime 1Xtra shows now comprise 70% UK music, he tells me – while former underground stars such as Tinchy Stryder, Tinie Tempah, and now Wretch 32 are achieving chart success and record sales no one could have imagined a decade ago.

For Rinse FM grime DJ and Butterz label boss Elijah, the Mobos do nothing to support up-and-coming black music. "It's really only for people who want to propel themselves into the commercial arena. If you don't want to be like JLS or Chipmunk it's not going to help you, that's the sad thing about it." He mentions the rapper P Money as an example of an up-and-coming black MC who both deserves, and would benefit from, having his less watered-down talent brought to a wider audience. While the debate over authenticity in music is almost as old as music itself, it's difficult not to see the chart triumphs as a bit of a pyrrhic victory for black music.

For Daboh, it's unrealistic to expect it to act primarily as an outlet for the most underground of street cultures. "It is a mainstream awards show, so are you expecting the most credible dubstep bass producer to be nominated? When you speak to the general public there's nothing but love and affection for the Mobos. The negative perception is very much an industry thing. We're all snobs in the industry." He also thinks that the Mobos' founder, Kanya King, has dealt with the rapidly changing face of British pop music remarkably well. "There's a misconception that Kanya is this Gaddafi-type figure, sitting on a throne and not listening to any advice, but she's very astute, and aware of the feedback."

And yet, accountable or not, the broad-based 2011 nominations list looks remarkably like a midway point between this February's Brits and next year's. Elijah finds the increasingly unclear criteria understandably baffling: "I'm just not sure what the Mobos is, basically – looking down the categories, at these totally contrasting styles, it's so vague it's meaningless. If someone could say what black music is, or what music of black origin is, in 2011, it would be easier."

And this is the nub – it's not the colour of Jessie J's face that's the problem, so much as the sounds emanating from it. The combination of electro beats and R'n'B-tinged vocals topping UK and US charts transcends both race and place. "Ten years ago it made more sense, sonically," reckons Elijah: "Hip-hop sounded like hip-hop, R'n'B sounded like R'n'B. But when you have Kelly Rowland making the kind of music she makes with David Guetta, is that still music of black origin? It's not a colour issue, it's just a sound issue. If you're celebrating JLS as music of black origin … apart from them being black, why is that?"

"Amy Winehouse being celebrated you can understand, because her music links to Aretha Franklin – even Adele to an extent, that's fine. Or Professor Green, fair enough: he's a rapper who just happens to be white." And that's the bizarre quandary the Mobos are in. Black British music is doing better than ever before, but via artists such as Jessie J and Chipmunk. The hits that have made "black music" the definitive pop sound of our era isn't actually black or white, but post-racial, in the blandest way imaginable.

Now that it crosses over so much with the charts, just what is the point of the Mobos – is it a celebration of colour-blind, already successful pop music? Or just the Brit awards in a baseball cap? "It's great to be providing these artists with a platform," Kanya King told the press, "and they help to keep our event new, fresh and relevant." But do these artists, irrespective of skin colour, still need a platform? More than ever before in the UK, black music is pop music is black music. And the more the Mobos remit dovetails with the pop charts and the Brit awards, the more they're going to have to face questions about what exactly they are for.

Mobos isn't what it started out to be, Kanya seems to be trying to keep up with the ever changing colour of music, juggling authenticity & commercialism but ultimately mobos will fail in the sense of it's name. I personally only ever wanted an award show that celebrates the successes of black artists in this white world without 'commercial' or this beggy beggy influence it seems to have employed.

[The Somalian]

^^^^good read goddaz^^^^^

god radio 2 on in the office and they r talking about DIBSTEP and Grime now being in the dictionary

Ape I don’t mean to be cynical of my criticism of the mobo’s

But I have been following it since the first ever one when it was relevant to black music

It had integrity I still have the first one on video it came on some mad hours on ITV or channel 4

It bit of like the old selling out thing we always see for instant people now saying chipmunk is sh*t

Because he now makes pop, same with scorcher, Tinchy etc I can not begrudge because they are putting

Food on the table which I know everyone would do if it was an option given to them.

Same can be said for RWD a magazine we all loved but which also sold out to go out to a wider audience

We can cuss Hattie and Danny as much as we want as the magazine is no way the same as it was in its former

Glory. But they had to adapt to survive and the employees kept their jobs.

My main point about the relevance of the mobo’s is that Integrity should actually mean something but it is being undermined

but like we have seen over the years it has changed and bent over back and now has let the big boys rape it and has no relevance its

a farcical award now. But then now on the other hand you can now say to people who organise it can eat nice

and look after their familys which is good on them. But the whole thing is bullshit so I would no really pay it no mind.

[MARVELL]

Ape I don’t mean to be cynical of my criticism of the mobo’s

But I have been following it since the first ever one when it was relevant to black music

It had integrity I still have the first one on video it came on some mad hours on ITV or channel 4

It bit of like the old selling out thing we always see for instant people now saying chipmunk is sh*t

Because he now makes pop, same with scorcher, Tinchy etc I can not begrudge because they are putting

Food on the table which I know everyone would do if it was an option given to them.

Same can be said for RWD a magazine we all loved but which also sold out to go out to a wider audience

We can cuss Hattie and Danny as much as we want as the magazine is no way the same as it was in its former

Glory. But they had to adapt to survive and the employees kept their jobs.

My main point about the relevance of the mobo’s is that Integrity should actually mean something but it is being undermined

but like we have seen over the years it has changed and bent over back and now has let the big boys rape it and has no relevance its

a farcical award now. But then now on the other hand you can now say to people who organise it can eat nice

and look after their familys which is good on them. But the whole thing is bullshit so I would no really pay it no mind.

[Aquaman]

lol at watching the mobos, its basically the brit awards with a couple of chocolate chips sprinkled on top

its actaully worse than the brit awards, at least the brit awards are true to themselves.

[His-RightPalm]

lol @ these guys nt making African act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q15TA1BbUk4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIWzPMlUQhg

[Dubby]

The issue is MOBOs doesn't really represent black music. Just feels like it exists to lay claim to the influences in todays pop music to black origin. No one takes it seriously any more but at least it shines some light on African, Reggae, Jazz, etc acts.