hiphop Jay-Z Vs. Nas - Album for album

[Thizz]

ETHER WAS ALL A BIG HYPE DON'T GET ME WRONG IT'S GOOD BUT JIGGA MAN WON THAT WAR.

TWICE.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

f*ck OFF

''WHAT YOU THINK YOU GET GIRLS BECAUSE OF YOUR LOOKS''

V

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VB

VB

PAIN

f*ck*ng PAIN

[Michel Kane]

Like it was said, Ether was straight trash-talking, hype, jokes...

Takeover was straight FACTS being dropped. In a verse. Not a whole song.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

@ takeover being factual

unless you meant jay z used more concrete nouns while nas was more abstract?

[Mame Biram Diouf]

The Genesis of Beef: Nas vs Jay-Z

Artist: Jay-Z

Song(s): “Dead Presidents” (Original)

Year: 1996

Lyrics: “Presidents to represent me/Get money!/I’m out for presidents to represent me…”

“I’m out for dead *f*ckin* presidents to represent me”

Interpretation: Jay wanted Nas on the track, but used his vocals from “The World Is Yours” (Q-Tip Remix) instead. I’ve always thought Jay caught feelings behind the snub.

Artist: Jay-Z

Song(s): “The City Is Mine”, “Where I’m From”, & “Rap Game/Crack Game”

Year: 1997

Lyrics: “Don’t worry about Brooklyn I continue to flame/Therefore a world with amnesia won’t forget your name/You held it down long enough, let me take those reigns…/I ain’t a player get it right, I’m controllin the game/From now until they blow holes in my frame/I’ma stand firm, holdin my aim, feel me?/I’m the focal, point like Biggie in his prime” (“The City Is Mine”)”.

“I from where niggas pull your card, and argue all day about/Who’s the best MC’s, Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas” (“Where I’m From”)

“Somehow the rap game remind me of the crack game” (“Rap Game/Crack Game” vocal sample from “Represent” by Nas)

Interpretation: The city of New York was up for grabs once B.I.G. died as he was hailed as the King of New York by many in the Hip Hop world (July 1995 Source Cover).

Jay wanted the crown and boldly stated on “The City Is Mine” that he was taking the “reigns” from B.I.G.

Jay makes another reference about Nas in “Where I’m From” and samples his voice again for “Rap Game/Crack Game”.

In My Lifetime…Vol. 1 also marks the first time Jay starts using B.I.G. lyrics: See “Friend or Foe 98′” and “Real Niggas”.

Artist: Nas

Song: “We Will Survive”

Year: 1999

Lyrics: “It used to be fun, makin records to see your response/But, now competition is none, now that you’re gone/And these niggaz is wrong — using your name in vain/And they claim to be New York’s king?/It ain’t about that”

Interpretation: This joint was off of Nas’s third album “I Am”, which dropped April 6, 1999. Straight forward shot at Jay. By this time Jay was in full superstar mode especially after the commercial success he garnered from Vol. 2…Hard Knock Life. Jay wasn’t shy about acknowledging he was the King of New York. Obviously Nas didn’t think so. Nas was acknowledging Jay wasn’t on his or B.I.G.’s level with these lines.

Artist: Memphis Bleek feat. Jay-Z

Song: “What You Think Of That”

Year: 1999

Lyrics: “I’ma ball till I fall what you think of that?” (Memphis Bleek) – Line from the chorus of “What You Think Of That”..

“Round here frontin like my sh*t don’t sound like nuttin/Like I ain’t got the crown or suttin/Like I ain’t the nigga you base ya life on” (Jay-Z)

“I guess I ain’t the reason you rhyme the way you do” (Jay-Z)

“Like I ain’t 5 mill, and what do ya joint go?/Excuse me? Nigga don’t confuse me” (Jay-Z)

Interpretation: Memphis Bleek dropped Coming of Age on August 3, 1999 with a buzz worthy single (“Memphis Bleek Is…”), but everybody from what I can remember was talking about the track he had with Jay: “What You Think Of That”. Bleek doesn’t go at Nas, but Jay takes exception to Nas questioning his “King” status of New York. Obvious answer to Nas’s lines on “We Will Survive”.

Artist: Nas

Song: “Nastradamus” and “Come Get Me”

Year: 1999

Lyrics: “You wanna ball till you fall, I can help you with that/You want beef?/I could let a slug melt in your hat” (“Nastradamus”)

“You don’t like me clown? Now you wanna take me down?/If I bring my face around, you gon’ do what?/You butt/Your crew knew I blew up, I been shinin – baseball diamonds…” (“Come Get Me”)

“You make hot songs, but she know you steal from me/Who ill as me?/I wild on haters in album three” (“Come Get Me”)

Interpretation: The “ball till you fall/slug melt in your hat” is a play on words from the sung Chorus” by Memphis Bleek on “What You Think Of That”. Memphis Bleek wore a tilted hat on the cover of Coming of Age, thus the “slug melt in your hat” line.

“Come Get Me” was all over the place, with with lines like “you steal from me” and “your crew knew I blew up…” screams subliminal at Jay.

Artist: Jay-Z

Song: “Come and Get Me”

Year: 1999

Lyrics: “I got, shots to give come and get me nigga/Y’all wanna rob the kid? Come and get me nigga/I won’t, part with this come and get me nigga/I worked, hard for this come and get me nigga/I got, shots to give, COME AND GET ME../COME AND GET ME..”

Interpretation: The song itself is Jay talking to rappers in general, but the chorus is a play on Nas’s “Come Get Me”. I’ve never thought the song was about Nas because Jay doesn’t believe Nas is a street dude or did any street dirt. He wouldn’t give Nas props with lines such as “I’m a crook like you, I took like you/I disobeyed the law threw out the book like you”

Artist: Memphis Bleek

Song: “My Mind Right”

Year: 2000

Lyrics: “I’ma make you understand why I do what I do/Why I keep my hat tilt, and my doorag too”

“It’s beef I’ma see you, and bang til you hang up/Your life a lie, but here’s the truth/You aint hype to die, but you hype to shoot”

“And only a few fit in, your lifestyle’s written/So who you supposed to be, play your position”

Interpretation: Memphis Bleek addressing Nas and questioning the truthfulness of his rhymes.

Artist: Nas feat. Various

Song: “Da Bridge 2001″

Year: 2000

Lyrics: “Oh no you didn’t, wanna know whose life Was Written/The life I’m livin/The ice the women/The kites that sendin to lifeless biddin/The streets to prison/I touch you then buck you/Heats be spittin/La-ser, AR fifteen doors come down/Jaws is broke, your whole crew is/coffin bound/Your hoe, your man, lieutenant, your boss get found”

Interpretation: Nas addressing Memphis Bleek’s shots on “My Mind Right”. Nas is not only going at Bleek, but the whole Roc fam with the last couple of lines in his verse.

Artist: Nas

Song: “Eye 4 An Eye Freestyle”

Year: Circa 2000-2001

Lyrics: “You’re on top — WHAT?/Copy and f*ck, I said it first, you repeated/Your false crown covered in dirt – defeated/Y’all niggas all hail, the King is dead/He running like a bitch with his tail between his legs/’Stillmatic’, still eye 4 an eye, wanna be God/You’re just the next rapper to die, f*ck*ng with Nas”

Interpretation: Not sure when this came out (from Clue’s – The Great Ones Pt. 2). Nas going directly at Jay about his assumption of being the King of New York.

Artist: Nas

Song: “Stillmatic (Freestyle)”

Year: 2001

Lyrics: “N Y City, grab a hold and ride with me/ Rip the FREEWAY, shoot through MEMPHIS with money bags/Stop in Philly, order cheese steaks and eat BEANS fast/And bring it back up top, remove the fake king of New York/You show off, I count off when you sample my voice/I rule you, before, you used to rap like the FU-SHNICKENS/NAS designed your BLUEPRINT, who you kidding?/Is he H TO THE IZZO, M TO THE IZZO?/For shizzle you phony, the rapping version of SISQO/And that’s for certain, you clone me, your wack clothes line/I’d rather wear Sean John, you bore me with your fake coke rhymes/And those times, they never took place, you liar/UN was your first court case, you had no priors/You master fabricated stories of streets and sound slick/Have you surrounded, you and the faggots you down with/While they riding NAS, trying to boost their careers”

Interpretation: Nas went at the whole Roc fam by name saying most of his verbal onslaught for Jay. Called Jay “fake”, “teh ghey”, questioned his street credibility, and hinted that he fathered Jay’s style. Nas went in on this joint.

Artist: Jay-Z

Song: “Takeover”

Year: 2001

Lyrics: “I know you missin all the (FAAAAAAAME!)/But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your frame/Nigga; you a (LAAAAAAAME!)/Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads/Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco’s trash/Had a spark when you started but now you’re just garbage/Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all/to your bodyguard’s “Oochie Wally” verse better than yours/Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole f*ckin song/but I know – the sun don’t shine, then son don’t shine/That’s why your (LAAAAAAAME!) – career come to a end/There’s only so long fake thugs can pretend/Nigga/you ain’t live it you witnessed it from your folks pad/You scribbled in your notepad and created your life/I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor/(Me, that’s who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser/So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong/You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song/And you ain’t get a coin nigga you was gettin f*cked and/I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing/Use your (BRAAAAAAAIN!) You said you been in this ten/I’ve been in it five – smarten up Nas/Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide/That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due/One was – NAHHH, the other was “Illmatic”/That’s a one hot album every ten year average/And that’s so – LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow/Your sh*t is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?/(Get the f*ck outta here)/You niggaz gon’ learn to respect the king/Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen/Because you know who (who) did you know what (what) with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now”

Interpretation: “Ask Nas, he don’t want it with Hov’, nooooo!” When this joint dropped as the freestyle from the Summer Jam concert it had everybody open and wanted to hear what Jay had next.

Jay’s verse summed up the criticism Nas was receiving after Illmatic dropped. “Nasty Nas to Esco’s trash”, “…Fake thugs…”, “fell from top ten to not mentioned at all”, etc was what fans and critics were saying about Nas…that he fell off. Jay was the first to put it in a rhyme.

Artist: Nas

Song: “Ether” & “You’re Da Man”

Year: 2001

Lyrics: “That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef” (“Ether”)

“When KRS already made an album called “Blueprint”/First, Biggie’s ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big/d*ck suckin lips, whyn’t you let the late, great veteran live” (“Ether”)

“My child, I’ve watched you grow up to be famous/

And now I smile like a proud dad, watchin his only son that made it” (“Ether”)

“All I did was gave you a style for you to run with/Smilin in my face, glad to break bread with the god/Wearin Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars/No jail bars Jigga, no pies, no case/Just Hawaiian shirts” (“Ether”)

“You a fan, a phony, a fake, a p*ssy, a Stan”(“Ether”)

“Shaun Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz d*ck/So little shorty’s gettin gunned up and clapped quick/How much of Biggie’s rhymes is gon’ come out your fat lips?/Wanted to be on every last one of my classics/You pop sh*t, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss” (“Ether”)

“I don’t kill soloists only kill squads” (“You’re Da Man”)

“Now you wanna hang with niggas I hung with/f*ck bitches I hit, it’s funny I once said…” (“You’re Da Man”)

Interpretation: Check out Sean’s take on “Ether” on his Top 10 Diss Records of All Time.

Nas dedicated a whole song to Jay this go around. Once “f*ck Jay-Z” is heard you knew it was on. Nas gets a lot of digs in at Jay: Called him a Stan, questioned his street credibility, said he gave him (Jay) a style, addressed Jay’s insistence of using B.I.G.’s rhymes, questioned he loyalty to B.I.G., but now claiming to be better, biting

KRS-One’s album title, etc.

“You’re Da Man” addresses Jay bangin Nas’s “baby mama” and Jay’s relationship with Steve Stoute. I believe during this time Nas and Steve Stoute had a falling out….or definitely after the “Hate Me Now” controversy.

Artist: Jay-Z

Song: “Super Ugly”

Year: 2001

Lyrics:

“With Queens niggas you know how I do/Look, I got more shooters in Queensbridge than you”

“Nigga never sold aspirin how you Escobar?”

“I came in your bentley backseat, skeeted in your jeep/Left condoms on your baby seat”

“And since you infatuated with sayin that gay sh*t/Yes you was kissin my d*ck when you was kissin that bitch/Nasty sh*t, you though I was bonin Vanette/You callin Carm a hundred times I was bonin her neck/You got a baby by the broad you can’t disown her yet”

Interpretation: Jay finally letting us know “…Because you know who (who) did you know what (what) with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now”

As crude, vugar, and disrespectful as you can get on a record. Admitted Jay stan that I am….just wasn’t Jay’s style. Jay is a calculated person and this record (funny and informative as it was) screamed of knee jerk reaction. My take is all of the the gay references made by Nas made Jay goes this route…thus the apology after the track dropped.

Artist: Nas

Song: “U Wanna Be Me”

Year: 2002

Lyrics: “I think of kings who died and rappers out to dethrone me”

“And show you how to stay off my d*ck/That’s the thing I hate the most, can’t even call you a man/When you gotta call out my name to get you some fans”

“Realize, how many classics I gave you/Perhaps if you think back you’ll realize that I made you”

“And understand, to battle Nas not in your plan…… And you my offspring, the boss sting”

“Play me a gangster’s theme, while you entertain me/If I ain’t cryin laughin, to the lions, throw your ass in/What the f*ck was you niggaz thinkin?/Guns’ll clutch if I get a inklin that you comin for the kingpin”

Interpretation: Nas isn’t calling Jay out by name, but if he isn’t talking about Jay then who….? Definitely wasn’t Cam/Dip Set or N.O.R.E.

Artist: Jay-Z

Song: “Blueprint 2″

Year: 2002

Lyrics: “But you can’t give cred to anything dude says/Same dude to give you ice and you owe him some head”

“Can’t y’all, see that he’s fake, the rap version of T.D. jakes/Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes”

“Cause the nigga wear a kufi, it don’t mean that he bright/Cause you don’t understand him, it don’t mean that he nice/It just means you don’t understand all the bullshit that he write”

“Is it “Oochie Wally Wally” or is it “One Mic”?/Is it “Black Girl Lost” or shorty owe you for ice?”

“Since I will not lose, they try to help him cheat/But I will not lose, for even in defeat

There’s a valuable lesson learned, so it evens up for me”

Interpretation: The mature answer from Jay that again attacks Nas’s creditability and the contradictions in his rhymes. I definitely enjoyed this better than “Super Ugly”.

After Nas dropped “Ether” and Jay came back with “Super Ugly” many claimed Nas the winner. Hot 97 in New York had a vote on the air and the listeners crowned Nas the winner of the battle. Jay had a good understanding that Goliath (Jay) wasn’t going to beat David (Nas) in the eyes of the public. The underdog is always cheered on.

Artist: Nas

Song: “Last Real Nigga Alive”

Year: 2002

Lyrics: “Jigga started to flow like us, but hit with ‘Ain’t No Niggaz’/Had much Versace swagger

B.I.G. admired the Brooklyn knight and it took him in as Iceberg the rapper/Today don’t know nothing, about this bullshit/There’s more sh*t than wanting to be this King of New York shit”

“She hit the streets, later on she hittin the sheets/With a rapper who wanted me on his songs, thinking he strong”

“The Gift and The Curse? f*ck that sh*t, the first shall be last/I’m the man’s man, a rapper’s rapper/G-O-D S-O-N, they’ll be none after/I was Scarface, Jay was Manolo/It hurt me when I had to kill him and his whole squad for dolo..”

Interpretation: What I respected about Nas through this whole “beef” was he went at Jay (and the Roc) and Cam (Dip-Set) dolo. None of his crew (not that Jungle or Grand Wizard could help him lyrically) stepped up to go to battle with him. Nas addresses Jay sleeping with his “baby mama”, but hints that he only did it to get closer to him. Nas has always claimed throughout this beef to have “fathered” or “designed his Blueprint” and the Scarface/Manolo analogy sums that up perfectly.

Artist: Nas (with Bravehearts)

Song: “Quick to Back Down”

Year: 2003

Lyrics: “First of all this is Nas I’ma Braveheart veteran/And y’all already know who I’m better than”

Interpretation: By this time the beef had died down, but Nas got a quick stab in on this joint.

Bonus Tracks

These songs and lines could be interpreted as disses or subliminal.

Artist: Jay-Z

Song: “Don’t You Know”

Year: 2002

Lyrics: “Young’n, you are my hijo/My son dula/I clean the cess pool up/Rap stinks/You cats are the sphinx/You cut off your nose to spite your face/Bet you like it that way don’tchya?’

Artist: Nas feat. Jay-Z

Song: “Black Republican”

Year: 2006

Lyrics: Nothing obvious or subliminal, but historic in the sense that two MEN that went at it can put differences aside and do business today and publicly reconcile differences.

Artist: Jay-Z feat. Nas

Song: “Success”

Year: 2007

Lyrics: “Worst enemies wanna be my best friends/Best friends wanna be enemies like that’s what’s in/But I don’t give a f*ck walk inside the lions den”

Artist: Ludacris feat. Jay-Z & Nas

Song: “I Do This For Hip Hop”

Year: 2008

Lyrics:

Nas – “Pardon the rest of my niggaz…but I’m the best who’s ever did it!”

Jay-Z – “That’s why I took the number one slot/The realest sh*t in rap comes from my voice box”

[Fighting Weight]

Nas had some devastating bars on Ether, but he went off track a lot

The 'what you think you get girls now cuz of yo looks?' was a bar, but tbh a lot of it was just name calling, 'gay z' and 'cockafella'....thats youtube type insults right there

If you listen to the song there's barely a diss in it to Jay z untill like 2 minutes 30 of the song

Used to love ether but tbh Takeover is better as an overall track and as a diss...the multisyllabcic rhymes, analagies n sh*t, it's better imo

[Thizz]

I know you missing Nas the (fame)

But along with celebrity comes about 70 shots to your frame, nigga

You a (lame)

You's the fag model for Karl Kani Esco ads

Went from Nasty Nas to Esco's trash

Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage

Fell from "top 10" to "not mentioned at all"

To your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally"'s verse better than yours

Matter of fact you had the worst flow on the whole f*ck*ng song

But I know: the sun don't shine, then son don't shine

That's why your (lame) career's come to an end

There's only so long fake thugs can pretend

Nigga, you ain't live it

You witnessed it from your folks' pad

You scribbled it in your notepad and created your life

I showed you your first Tec, on tour with Large Professor

Then I heard your album about your Tec on the dresser

So yeah, I sampled your voice, you was using it wrong

You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song

And you ain't get a coin, nigga, you was getting f*cked then

I know who I paid, God - Serchlite publishing

Use your (brain)

You said you've been in this 10, I've been in it 5 - smarten up, Nas

4 albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide

That's one every...let's say 2

2 of them shits was doo

1 was "nah", the other was "Illmatic"

That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average

And that's so (lame)

Nigga, switch up your flow

Your sh*t is garbage

What you trying to kick, knowledge?

You niggas gonna learn to respect the king

Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen

Because you-know-who did you-know-what with you-know-who

But let's keep that between me and you (for now)

FACTS

FACTS

[Goddaz]

Trust that's what most people forget. Jay-z only dropped a verse.

/

Regarding the whole Nas V Jay-z saga I just don't understand how anyone could think Jay-Z lost. I just don't understand it, it's mad to me.

Alot of people also forget this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvBTHhEFeJo

Me and the boy A I got more in carmen than just balling & rhyming

Get it?...more in Carmen

I came in your belly back seat skeeted in your jeep

Left condoms on your baby's seat

When I first heard those bars I was like

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH PAIN!!!!

Nas's reaction:

Listen to the PAIN!!!

Tony Montana said ''No women no children''

[Fighting Weight]

Yeah I sampled your voice you was usin it wrong, you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song

FIRE

[Thizz]

NAH NAH NAH

BUT

Listen, I'm the J, the A, to the f*ck this broad

This nigga never sold Aspirin, how you Escobar?

Had to buy your chain back last time you got robbed

The nerve of this coward nigga, oh my God

And I don't rap rumors or innuendoes

I bring it to you live, lift up your window

Let the public peek in, see your dirty laundry

Y'all dont want me to continue

PURE DIRT

[Fighting Weight]

Jay -Z: You're broke, I have more money than you, you haven't made a good album n 10 years, I made more money off your song than you did, I f*cked your baby mum

Nas: Your ugly & your gay

[Thun]

Before Jay got super rich this was not even an argument

People forget

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Disgusting

When Jay does it, its ok? But when DVS does it, its a problem?

Whats the difference?

Biting is biting, doesnt matter if you knew the person or not

[Goddaz]

KMT SMH

That's reaching. People going on like Jay-z ever tried to pass off those bars like they were his.

Jay-z own lyrics>>>>>>>>>>>_____>>>>Anything he ever recited.

/

Don't bring DVS into this. There's a BIG difference.

[Thizz]

KMT SMH

That's reaching. People going on like Jay-z ever tried to pass off those bars like they were his.

Jay-z own lyrics>>>>>>>>>>>_____>>>>Anything he ever recited.

/

Don't bring DVS into this. There's a BIG difference.

[Thun]

KMT SMH

That's reaching. People going on like Jay-z ever try to pass off those bars like they were his.

Jay-z own lyrics>>>>>>>>>>>_____>>>>Anything he ever recited.

I can understand a couple of lyrics biting but there is bare

Not everyone knows every lyric for every rapper and he knows this

LOL at thinking Jay was giving tributes to those rappers, dont be gullible

[Goddaz]

All I'm saying is for Jay to recite THOSE BAIT BARS which imo any proper hip hop follower/listener would KNOW is snuffin.

Only f*ck*ng die hard Nas or Jay-z haters/dislikers would try use that against him.

I actually don't give a flying f*ck why he recited them maybe he needed fillers, maybe he couldn't be bothered to write or he just wanted to use coz it dropped on the beat I don't know BUT t Im but I'm sure if you put all those bitten bars against Jay's own bars it won't even make up 2% of his whole catelogue

Just STAAAP!!!

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Im not a big jay z hater though

I just don't understand why he bit so many lyrics?

Simple question really if you cannot answer it don't

[Thizz]

WHY DOES NAS LIE SO MUCH?

[Goddaz]

Im not a big jay z hater though

I just don't understand why he bit so many lyrics?

Simple question really if you cannot answer it don't

I'm not Jay-z so I can't answer can I? I can only speculate as to why he may have done it.

If you ever get a chance ask him.

[Fighting Weight]

Im not a big jay z hater though

I just don't understand why he bit so many lyrics?

Simple question really if you cannot answer it don't

He's an outrageous biter

[Goddaz]

Im not a big jay z hater though

I just don't understand why he bit so many lyrics?

Simple question really if you cannot answer it don't

He's an outrageous biter

Pos

[Wavant]

Revisionists

[Thun]

I know die hard Jay fans who will defend the man even if Nas dropped the greatest album of all time

Its a lost cause trying to show people the light as Jay is the greatest of all time to some people

[Rsonist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC7MJ8l73SQ

I'd rather die enormous than live dormant that's how we on it

Reasonable Doubt>>>