hiphop Jay-Z Vs. Nas - Album for album

[Thun]

Did I really read Reasonable Doubt wasn't a classic until years and albums later?

 

F**K OFF YEAH.

 

I agree with that statement

 

When the big boys was dropping albums Jay was a sideman back then

 

Its only when the trendies started jumping on Jays d*ck that all his albums suddenly became classics in there eyes

[Seth Rollins]

Depends on who you was listening to.

[Flojo]

Did I really read Reasonable Doubt wasn't a classic until years and albums later?

 

F**K OFF YEAH.

 

Who was calling Reasonable Doubt a classic in 1996? In fact when was it widely accepted as a classic?

[Kuffir]

reasonable doubt got there way before it was written thats for sure..

 

wasnt too long ago ppl were saying they hadnt even HEARD reasonable doubt

 

in the watch the throne, magna carta holy grail threads gassed like bergen belsen

 

now its all ppl who think jay is better r materialistic, trendy just waffle at its peak

 

jay stopped trying to be interesting a long time ago and nas stopped trying to be entertaining

 

i ent checked for either of them because of this but nas was my fav rapper n i despise jay now

 

but not knowing your jay history is one of my RED FLAGS for CLUELESS hip hop fans

 

usually comes out in this debate when the stans go into overdrive

 

so in brief 

 

Depends on who you was listening to.

 

100 percent

[Kuffir]

not directed at u flojo but this u was being cheeky there

 

 In fact when was it widely accepted as a classic?

 

 

yes mad. insertcamgif

[The Infamous]

When was that big l jay-z freestyle wasnt it 97

RD dropped 96 and in that set I got the impression jay wasnt THAT big of a star

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Nah thats just Jay getting outshone by another more talented artist 

 

Happened a lot on his tracks/freestyles 

 

Doesnt reflect how big a star he is

[The Infamous]

I duno man he wasnt the best rapper in BK or top 5 in NY in 96 when RD dropped

nas,big,chef and them were the real heavy weights he was deffo a late bloomer compared to them man i mentioned

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Sad we never got to see The Commission album would have answered so many questions and debates and hype

[Kuffir]

nas, ghost n rae r three of the goats though and biggie died so uno he's the best ever

 

reasonable doubt may not have had the IMPACT certain debuts had but music wise dpmo

 

in terms of standing there was a lot of stiff competetion them times but id prob put jay second tier coming into first (first being nas pos. ghost/rae and biggie and pac)

 

once again the east coast them times was fucking stacked.

[Kuffir]

once big died who wudve been #1 in new york

 

nas? mobb deep?

 

when it came down to it jay wanted it more than either of them lot and in my lifetime series did that if uno uno

 

the talib kweli quote says it all anyway

[The Infamous]

Yeah u man need to just agree RD didnt have the immediate impact of course its a classic and timeless etc

But it didnt have that illmatic or that ob4cl impact when it dropped

Agreed on the tier thing. Them man nas/rae/big/pac first tier jay/prodigy were the second tier them times

[The Infamous]

once big died who wudve been #1 in new york

nas? mobb deep?

when it came down to it jay wanted it more than either of them lot and in my lifetime series did that if uno uno

the talib kweli quote says it all anyway

i c/s this tho jay wanted that king of NY title so bad

[ag.]

nah i think jays still in a top tier of ny rappers just coz hes outlasted most of the top guys from ny around that time

hes still making music, and is culturally relevant/influencing trends which most of those guys cant say theyve done or been for a long time

[The Infamous]

Yeah fuck all that shit it was strictly about lyrics and hard verses

I have heard some good nas & raekwon verses in the last 18months. Jay dropped some really weak stuff in the same time frame. He might have outlasted most in the public eye but as a fan he has peaked a long time ago.

[ag.]

yeah, not heard any new raekwon stuff. will dl tmrw

[Flojo]

not directed at u flojo but this u was being cheeky there

 

 In fact when was it widely accepted as a classic?

 

 

yes mad. insertcamgif

 

I aren't trying to hold RD up against IWW, I'm addressing the man who are trying to hold it up against Illmatic like they're size when they're clearly not. The latter influenced a host of rappers than went on to make classics in that era.

 

You mentioned Ghostface

 

“When I used to listen to Nas back in the days, it was like, ‘Oh shit! He murdered that.’ That forced me to get my pen game up and like, ‘How can I try to catch it how this nigga’s catchin’ it?’ It’s just things like that. You know?”

 

When asked to elaborate, Ghost explained how much Illmatic meant to him and how much it influenced his rhymes on future projects.

 

“The whole fuckin’ Illmatic album! The whole Illmatic album forced you to go ahead and do shit,” Ghostface added. “You know, you jump on [1995’s Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...] after, and you fuck around like, ‘Oh shit!’ You just try to throw your darts around. It was inspiration. He dropped that second album [1996’s It Was Written]. That shit was murder too…things of that nature.” 

 

 

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After witnessing the success that fellow Queensbridge native Nas had with Illmatic in 1994, Prodigy says they were motivated to increase the quality of their music.

 

"You could just hear the difference between his lyrics and beats and ours," he says of the revelation. "That's when we started putting our heart and soul into the music and really trying to make something that could last."

 

 

Reasonable Doubt is a good album but like I said Jay Z lobbied for years for it to be deemed a classic rather than people coming to that conclusion on their own. The Source were the first to do so in 2000/2001 just before Blueprint came out and from then onwards it was widely accepted as a classic.

 

Do people honestly think that had Jay Z just gone on to be an average rapper that in 2014 people would be holding up Reasonable Doubt as an album that defined an era?

[Natty]

 

 

 

Reasonable Doubt is a good album but like I said Jay Z lobbied for years for it to be deemed a classic rather than people coming to that conclusion on their own. The Source were the first to do so in 2000/2001 just before Blueprint came out and from then onwards it was widely accepted as a classic.

 

Do people honestly think that had Jay Z just gone on to be an average rapper that in 2014 people would be holding up Reasonable Doubt as an album that defined an era?

 

 

I'm gonna have to disagree you know I think Reasonable doubt dropped in the golden era it came out in 96 it came after so many good albums it was probably just underated at the time cause of the quality of the albums that came before it

 

That doesn't take anything away from the quality of Reasonable Doubt 

[Guest Chelsea Jack]

Yeah f*ck all that sh*t it was strictly about lyrics and hard verses

I have heard some good nas & raekwon verses in the last 18months. Jay dropped some really weak stuff in the same time frame. He might have outlasted most in the public eye but as a fan he has peaked a long time ago.

 

this

[Kuffir]

rap music is fucking shit now

[Guest Chelsea Jack]

rap music is f*cking sh*t now

 

garbage

[The Infamous]

You man should get freddie gibbs & madlib- pinata . Everything is on point on that. Best album u will hear this year

[Guest Chelsea Jack]

 

 

 

 

Reasonable Doubt is a good album but like I said Jay Z lobbied for years for it to be deemed a classic rather than people coming to that conclusion on their own. The Source were the first to do so in 2000/2001 just before Blueprint came out and from then onwards it was widely accepted as a classic.

 

Do people honestly think that had Jay Z just gone on to be an average rapper that in 2014 people would be holding up Reasonable Doubt as an album that defined an era?

 

 

I'm gonna have to disagree you know I think Reasonable doubt dropped in the golden era it came out in 96 it came after so many good albums it was probably just underated at the time cause of the quality of the albums that came before it

 

That doesn't take anything away from the quality of Reasonable Doubt 

 

 

he wasn't trying to dispute the albums quality

 

he was disputing its immediate impact and said it wasnt as influential as illmatic, which is the truth

 

 

 

My life is gettin too wild

I need to bring some sort calm to it

Bout to lose it voices screaming "Don't do it!"

It's like '93, '94, bout the year

That Big and Mack dropped and "Illmatic" rocked

Outta every rag drop, and the West had it locked

Everybody doing them, I'm still stretching on the block

Like "Damn, I'mma be a failure"

Surrounded by thugs, drugs, and drug paraphenalia

 

even jigga knows the levels

[Guest Chelsea Jack]

 

 

 

 

Reasonable Doubt is a good album but like I said Jay Z lobbied for years for it to be deemed a classic rather than people coming to that conclusion on their own. The Source were the first to do so in 2000/2001 just before Blueprint came out and from then onwards it was widely accepted as a classic.

 

Do people honestly think that had Jay Z just gone on to be an average rapper that in 2014 people would be holding up Reasonable Doubt as an album that defined an era?

 

 

I'm gonna have to disagree you know I think Reasonable doubt dropped in the golden era it came out in 96 it came after so many good albums it was probably just underated at the time cause of the quality of the albums that came before it

 

That doesn't take anything away from the quality of Reasonable Doubt 

 

 

he wasn't trying to dispute the albums quality

 

he was disputing its immediate impact and said it wasnt as influential as illmatic, which is the truth

 

 

 

My life is gettin too wild

I need to bring some sort calm to it

Bout to lose it voices screaming "Don't do it!"

It's like '93, '94, bout the year

That Big and Mack dropped and "Illmatic" rocked

Outta every rag drop, and the West had it locked

Everybody doing them, I'm still stretching on the block

Like "Damn, I'mma be a failure"

Surrounded by thugs, drugs, and drug paraphenalia

 

even jigga knows the levels

[The Infamous]

Lol at untitled> american gangster

On my fone but i will neg u when i get home later