Malaysian airliner crashes in Ukraine, near Russian border
Ukraine say they have intercepted a call between the separatists and russian intelligence saying they have shot down a civilian plane.
The veracity of the recordings cannot be confirmed.
First recording
[Male voice, identified as separatist leader Igor Bezler] The group of the Miner [an alias] has just shot down a plane, which came down just behind Yenakiyevo.
[Col Geranin] Pilots. Where are the pilots?
[bezler] Gone to search for and photograph the plane. It's smoking.
[second male voice, identified as Russian military intelligence Colonel Vasily Geranin] How many minutes ago?
[bezler] About 30 minutes ago.
Second recording
[Male voice, captioned as "The Greek" ] Yes, Major.
[Major] Well, the Chernukhino lads shot down the plane.
[Greek] Who shot it down?
[Major] From the Chernukhino roadblock. The Cossacks at Chernukhino.
[Greek] Yes, Major.
[Major] Well, the plane fell apart in the air, near the Pertropavlovskaya coal mine. The first casualty 200 [military jargon for dead body] has been found. A civilian.
[Greek] Well, what do you have there?
[Major] Basically it was 100% a civilian aircraft.
[Greek] Are many people there?
[Major] [Curses] The debris fell right into backyard.
[Greek] What kind of aircraft?
[Major] I have not figured this out yet because I haven't been close to the main body of the debris. I am only looking where the first bodies began to fall. There are the remnants of inner brackets, chairs and bodies there.
[Greek] I see. Any weaponry there?
[Major] Nothing at all. Civilian things, medical bits and bobs, towels, toilet paper.
[Greek] Any documents?
[Major] Yes. From an Indonesian student. From Thompson University [curses].
Third recording
[Male voice, identified as a fighter] Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snezhnoye-Torez. It's a civilian one. Fell down near Grabovo. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.
They say on TV it's a Ukrainian AN-26 transport plane, but they say it's got Malaysia Airlines written on the plane. What was it doing in Ukrainian territory?
[Male voice, identified as Cossack commander Nikolai Kozitsyn] That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn't be [curses] flying. There is a war going on.
"So now it transpires that the latest Malaysian plane to go down was full of Aids specialists on their way to attend the World Aids Conference, "
Someones fb status. ..
Lol why are u quoting a fb status it's all over the news
Guys quoting this on reddit
Dozens of passengers who died on board the crashed Malaysia Airlines plane are thought to have been heading to a major international Aids conference.
They include Prof Joep Lange - a prominent and popular researcher and a former president of the International Aids Society (IAS).
IAS said they would have "truly lost a giant".
Delegates, who have already arrived at the conference in Australia said they were in "total shock".
More than 14,000 scientists, campaigners and politicians are meeting at the Aids 2014 conference, which starts in Melbourne at the weekend.
'Giant'
Joep Lange, was a professor of medicine at the University of Amsterdam, and has been involved in HIV research since the virus first emerged in the 1980s.
He trialled antiretroviral therapies, which have now transformed HIV into a manageable disease.
He also worked on preventing the virus passing from mother to child during pregnancy and labour.
Prof Lange is described as a leader in his field, and between 2002 and 2004 was the president of the International Aids Society.
Prof Peter Riess, who also worked at the University of Amsterdam, told the BBC: "Joep was a close colleague and friend of mine. Everyone here in Melbourne is in total shock at what happened.
"In the early eighties when this strange new disease hit Amsterdam, both Joep and I were training at the time and were confronted with this new disease which then went on to shape our scientific and medical careers.
"He's been really involved from the very beginning."
'Great loss'
People gather in Melbourne after reports that conference delegates were on boardThe plane, carrying 298 people, crashed in rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine on Thursday.
Prof Lange's partner, Jacqueline van Tongeren, was also reportedly on board.
Dr Jeremy Farrar who leads the Wellcome Trust medical research charity said he was "deeply saddened" by the the deaths on flight MH17.
"Joep was a great clinical scientist, and a great friend of the Wellcome Trust who has long been a valued adviser.
"He was also a personal friend. He is a great loss to global health research."
The International Aids Society said the conference would go ahead with "opportunities to reflect and remember those we have lost".
It added: "The IAS is hearing unconfirmed reports that some of our friends and colleagues were on board the flight and if that is the case this is a truly sad day.
"The IAS has also heard reports that among the passengers was a former IAS president Joep Lange and if that is the case then the HIV/Aids movement has truly lost a giant."
'Terrible loss'
US and Ukraine officials say they believe the plane was shot downZoya Shabarova, an advisor for the Aids Healthcare Foundation, is flying to the conference via Hong Kong.
She told the BBC: "It's a really terrible loss, unbelievable, he was a person with such a big heart, my colleagues and I, we can't comprehend this it's a terrible loss to the HIV programme, the people, the patients.
"I want to send deep condolences to his family & all those on the flight."
Another delegate, Glenn Thomas, a media spokesman from the World Health Organization (WHO), was also on board.
WHO spokeswoman Fadela Chaib said: "For the time being we would like to give his family time to grieve.
"We have lost a wonderful person and a great professional. Our hearts are broken. We are all in shock."
Dr Peter MacPherson, an HIV researcher at the Liverpool School of Hygiene Tropical Medicine, said so many HIV researchers were on the flight that everyone was worried that friends and colleague were on board.
"I couldn't believe it when I heard last night, I'm not travelling to Melbourne, but I have a number of colleagues travelling.
"I really don't know how many people attending the conference have been lost.
"I'm just hoping it is none of my colleagues and friends - emails are flying around, people are sending emails, looking on Twitter and Facebook to try and find out what has happened. Everyone lost is a tragedy."
"The global HIV community is a close community - standing up for non-violence, dignity and human rights. People will be devastated - but I am sure everyone will pull together and continue to fight the AIDS epidemic."
This world is fucked
This world is f*cked
Truly..
Lol why are u quoting a fb status it's all over the news"So now it transpires that the latest Malaysian plane to go down was full of Aids specialists on their way to attend the World Aids Conference, "
Someones fb status. ..
Guys quoting this on reddit
Jus havnt read/seen the news
Sorry local jeeze
Seems like the west mandem purposely diverted a civilian plane into airspace that the Ukrainian rebels were manning in the hope they would shoot it down. They did. Now the west can keep on rolling down the path they started when Victoria Nuland and co began their excursion into ukraine.
Fucked up man...
I saw those pics on twitter. Harrowing
How strong is the evidence against Putin because the Mirrors front page tomorrow is a picture of him with the big headline Putins Victims and pictures of those who died... Jumping the gun a bit ain't they.
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