Yoshie Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, Supermalt said: The only litmus test is if they have gone in on the black killings as much as the cop killings. Enough seeing a black man die on camera hd, and then bring up his caution for weed in 2001 as justification for death or "he resisted, his toe twitched," The aftermath happens now blm is a terror group. Daemon hypocrisy Who's justified any of the murders by police? Never said much about them as what was said I agreed with - didn't have anything to add. Where-as here the police-killings are being justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermalt Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Yoshie said: Who's justified any of the murders by police? Never said much about them as what was said I agreed with - didn't have anything to add. Where-as here the police-killings are being justified. From when the media constantly brings up the priors or associates of black men and women that are murdered by police, they are giving the impression it is justified and the masses eat it. I wasn't pointing at you tbh, but why did you feel the need to agree with what has been said previously and keep it moving. What's silence worth. whereas your speaking up on the aftermath? Innocents are innocents right? Not saying your p.o.s, but your answer is common. No wants to war, just for the system of justice to work for everybody regardless. That's the grievance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshie Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Supermalt said: I wasn't pointing at you tbh, but why did you feel the need to agree with what has been said previously and keep it moving. What's silence worth. whereas your speaking up on the aftermath? Innocents are innocents right? Cool. I actually have / did but don't know if it's in this topic or not. Was more aimed at those with time to search for quotes. Best believe if there's people justifying the cops killing innocents I'd be vocal. I'm trying to understand the other side of the argument here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizouz Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 @Heero Yuy was highlighting how easy it can be to become guilty in the eyes of the oppressed, and how extreme of a sentence being gunned down for perceived 'guilt' is - as well as explaining why they don't all quit out of a sense of morality. I hardly went, 'well, we buy electrical devices so we can't talk'. @Supermalt I should've been clearer. I was saying, of course there are some POs who don't deserve to get shot for being POs as that sounds like being guilty by association. And the guys going around doing the shootings aren't looking to differentiate. I can't get behind that, no matter how people try dress it. If it's a case of talking about sorting out the mess over there that being a black person is, I got nothing. Doubt anyone in this thread has much of a serious response. Considering the institutional racism in effect when it comes to laws, policing, sentencing, housing, education, and the breakdown of the average family, how's any of this going to help that? Generations have been decimated and fallen into a benefits/crime trap and the whole BLM movement is haphazard and powderpuff at best. I'm struggling to see how murdering random POs is gonna help things. Def agree with Timebomb when he said he saw the similarities with France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelram Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 cosmos conversations , must be im going crazy all the older vids was on there this morning of him have gone , only 2 month old vids left ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLEAZE BALL Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Yoshie said: It is not a narrow minded conclusion to say not every copper is innocent in the way blacks / other races are treated.. You didn't answer my question, if the three I mentioned were killed, are you still saying 'good'? Was it good that the guy above that Chaps posted was killed? You do not know their intentions so to say it's good if they are murdered is mad. About the last question, good point. I'm not saying the police as a whole are innocent, far far from it. It's gone on for too long and it seems like when a situation Eric Garner or the two last week occurs, the higher ups are doing all they can to justify it and not punish the murdering police. I don't know how this can be tackled, but the blood is on the racist/murdering cops and the ones turning a blind eye. I can't agree with a person deciding someones fate with the justification of their peers behaviour. Just to be clear I didn't say it was good What I'm saying is Cop, Cop with wife and child, black cop, female cop etc all cannot hide under the veil of innocence Good and bad are words that are subjective and TBH I have no intention of using them because what or who you class as good or bad simply depends on what side you're on I prefer to use terms like justified Any time a police officer kills a civilian because they felt threatened its deemed justified by the legal system regardless of whether there was a genuine threat or not In reality law enforcement in America are more of a threat to the average law abiding African-American than the KKK are. With that said when guys choose to coordinate attacks against a police force (who are armed and trained for combat) using the same level of force that police use on unarmed civilians instead of rioting or looting, how can we sit here and talk like their actions have no justification? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afroman Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 As I said, Its all cause and effect. The only right daems are happy for black folk to exercise is their right to protest when they have done their dirt. Yep, hold up placards, Hashtags, march, repeat. AA have done that for far too long. No progress. Some have decided to take law into their own hands. You know what? fair play to them. IMO the relationship between African americans and police can not be mended without drastic actions/ retaliation. I am not asking anyone to condone it. Just understand that its been a long time coming and if you can't really suggest an ideal solution to the problem don't get mad at those who do, be it right or wrong. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 What's your ideal solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afroman Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Don't criticize the effect, if you are not going to address to cause. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 If they were economically coordinated they could sponsor some politicians to speed up the process of engaging a dialogue and enforcing change. In 2016 violence without a plan and a chequebook is suicide... the system is too vast and powerful. It's a shame cos they're probably in the best position they've ever been in, in regards to sorting this shit out. But there's no end game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Wonder why that is? It's almost like they're heading down this route purposely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Eric Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Yoshie said: 1 neg on a post that's been up for 30 odd minutes. Not surprised with fraff like this. JD's post about everything being acquired through voilence wasn't fraff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Eric Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 18 hours ago, Fresh said: I think the only way one can really determine whether or not extremism in defense of liberty is justified, is not to approach it as an American or a European or an African or an Asian, but as a human being. If we look upon it as different types, immediately we begin to think in terms of extremism being good for one and bad for another, or bad for one and good for another. But if we look upon it, if we look upon ourselves as human beings, I doubt that anyone will deny that extremism in defense of liberty, the liberty of any human being, is no vice. Anytime anyone is enslaved or in any way deprived of his liberty, that person, as a human being, as far as I’m concerned he is justified to resort to whatever methods necessary to bring about his liberty again. [Applause] Underrated post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james00 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Lol, the back tracking is delicious. You bunch of emotional bunnies. On average, 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012, according to the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports. Using FBI and CDC statistics, Professor Johnson calculates that 112 black men, on average, suffered both justified and unjustified police-involved deaths annually during this period. 4,472 to 112 ... 4,472 VS 112... ... 4,472 ... black lives matter 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN DOE Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 29 minutes ago, Zizouz said: @Heero Yuy was highlighting how easy it can be to become guilty in the eyes of the oppressed, and how extreme of a sentence being gunned down for perceived 'guilt' is - as well as explaining why they don't all quit out of a sense of morality. I hardly went, 'well, we buy electrical devices so we can't talk'. @Supermalt I should've been clearer. I was saying, of course there are some POs who don't deserve to get shot for being POs as that sounds like being guilty by association. And the guys going around doing the shootings aren't looking to differentiate. I can't get behind that, no matter how people try dress it. If it's a case of talking about sorting out the mess over there that being a black person is, I got nothing. Doubt anyone in this thread has much of a serious response. Considering the institutional racism in effect when it comes to laws, policing, sentencing, housing, education, and the breakdown of the average family, how's any of this going to help that? Generations have been decimated and fallen into a benefits/crime trap and the whole BLM movement is haphazard and powderpuff at best. I'm struggling to see how murdering random POs is gonna help things. Def agree with Timebomb when he said he saw the similarities with France. collateral damage bro collateral damage exists in any war if those cops didnt want to get got then they shouldve stood up when thier colleagues did wrong one thing ive noticed is cops will never claim that what a fellow cop did is wrong never even if its a clear cut case they will not even say as much like ' he couldve handled this in a different way' / cant remeber if ive mentioned this already but i went into work when the dalls shootings occureed im the only black man here (bear this in mind) manager says whats with the black lives count stuff i said its black lives matter what they complaining about - most of them carry all the guns over there anyway jd: how do you know? Mgr: George bush told me lol lol mgr: anyway look he had a gun - if you dont want to get shot why carry gun Jd; he was licencesd ( as per the law of the us) and he was reaching out to get his id mgr:..... mgr: well the other one shouldnt of been resisting arrest jd: is resisting arrest an excuse to be murdered - if thats the case theyll be plenty murders in the UK mgr: well if it was me and a police officer asks me to get down im getting down jd: ok 2 mins later jd: what about the 11 yearr old that was shot down in borad day light in a park mgr: well he was waving a gun around - how were the police supposed to know whther or not it was real jd: - he was 11... mgr... blank expression no emotion for an 11 year old child being murdered for playing with a toy ffs / How can I not condone these killings when the above is happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN DOE Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 29 minutes ago, Zizouz said: @Heero Yuy was highlighting how easy it can be to become guilty in the eyes of the oppressed, and how extreme of a sentence being gunned down for perceived 'guilt' is - as well as explaining why they don't all quit out of a sense of morality. I hardly went, 'well, we buy electrical devices so we can't talk'. @Supermalt I should've been clearer. I was saying, of course there are some POs who don't deserve to get shot for being POs as that sounds like being guilty by association. And the guys going around doing the shootings aren't looking to differentiate. I can't get behind that, no matter how people try dress it. If it's a case of talking about sorting out the mess over there that being a black person is, I got nothing. Doubt anyone in this thread has much of a serious response. Considering the institutional racism in effect when it comes to laws, policing, sentencing, housing, education, and the breakdown of the average family, how's any of this going to help that? Generations have been decimated and fallen into a benefits/crime trap and the whole BLM movement is haphazard and powderpuff at best. I'm struggling to see how murdering random POs is gonna help things. Def agree with Timebomb when he said he saw the similarities with France. collateral damage bro collateral damage exists in any war if those cops didnt want to get got then they shouldve stood up when thier colleagues did wrong one thing ive noticed is cops will never claim that what a fellow cop did is wrong never even if its a clear cut case they will not even say as much like ' he couldve handled this in a different way' / cant remeber if ive mentioned this already but i went into work when the dalls shootings occureed im the only black man here (bear this in mind) manager says whats with the black lives count stuff i said its black lives matter what they complaining about - most of them carry all the guns over there anyway jd: how do you know? Mgr: George bush told me lol lol mgr: anyway look he had a gun - if you dont want to get shot why carry gun Jd; he was licencesd ( as per the law of the us) and he was reaching out to get his id mgr:..... mgr: well the other one shouldnt of been resisting arrest jd: is resisting arrest an excuse to be murdered - if thats the case theyll be plenty murders in the UK mgr: well if it was me and a police officer asks me to get down im getting down jd: ok 2 mins later jd: what about the 11 yearr old that was shot down in borad day light in a park mgr: well he was waving a gun around - how were the police supposed to know whther or not it was real jd: - he was 11... mgr... blank expression no emotion for an 11 year old child being murdered for playing with a toy ffs / How can I not condone these killings when the above is happening? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Eric Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Yo james bring up the white on white stats aswell bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermalt Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 @james00 spouting from the daemon bible, about Black on Black crime. Deflecting nob. What are factors in people resulting to commiting crime? What about Manchu on Manchu crime in Xinbin, China? Trapped economically and systematically oppressed by design... But but what about Black on Black crime...fool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermalt Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 "According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. In 2011, there were more cases of whites killing whites than there were of blacks killing blacks. Between 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang-related murders were committed by white people, with a majority of the homicide victims being white as well." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, james00 said: How many of those "black on black" murders end in convictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Eric Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Supermalt said: "According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. In 2011, there were more cases of whites killing whites than there were of blacks killing blacks. Between 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang-related murders were committed by white people, with a majority of the homicide victims being white as well." Cool. But that's all irrelevant anyway. I dunno why I took the bait We're talking about people who are hired to protect but are doing the exact opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, JOHN DOE said: collateral damage bro collateral damage exists in any war if those cops didnt want to get got then they shouldve stood up when thier colleagues did wrong one thing ive noticed is cops will never claim that what a fellow cop did is wrong never even if its a clear cut case they will not even say as much like ' he couldve handled this in a different way' / cant remeber if ive mentioned this already but i went into work when the dalls shootings occureed im the only black man here (bear this in mind) manager says whats with the black lives count stuff i said its black lives matter what they complaining about - most of them carry all the guns over there anyway jd: how do you know? Mgr: George bush told me lol lol mgr: anyway look he had a gun - if you dont want to get shot why carry gun Jd; he was licencesd ( as per the law of the us) and he was reaching out to get his id mgr:..... mgr: well the other one shouldnt of been resisting arrest jd: is resisting arrest an excuse to be murdered - if thats the case theyll be plenty murders in the UK mgr: well if it was me and a police officer asks me to get down im getting down jd: ok 2 mins later jd: what about the 11 yearr old that was shot down in borad day light in a park mgr: well he was waving a gun around - how were the police supposed to know whther or not it was real jd: - he was 11... mgr... blank expression no emotion for an 11 year old child being murdered for playing with a toy ffs / How can I not condone these killings when the above is happening? Didn't happen posting for pos' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN DOE Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 White blind less. Its ok ok I don't blame you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 54 minutes ago, james00 said: Lol, the back tracking is delicious. You bunch of emotional bunnies. On average, 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012, according to the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports. Using FBI and CDC statistics, Professor Johnson calculates that 112 black men, on average, suffered both justified and unjustified police-involved deaths annually during this period. 4,472 to 112 ... 4,472 VS 112... ... 4,472 ... black lives matter Can you explain the point you are making here? With respect, its relevance is lost on me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james00 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 39 minutes ago, Supermalt said: "According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. In 2011, there were more cases of whites killing whites than there were of blacks killing blacks. Between 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang-related murders were committed by white people, with a majority of the homicide victims being white as well." lol black people are only 13% of the population. Black on black crime is astronomical man open your eyes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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