Incumbent Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 One of my boys recently got me into this theory and I'm not going to lie, I was rolling in laughter at but then did my own research, a lot of it makes sense and if it doesn't, there's a lot of unanswered/unexplained questions about the Earth/Space etc PLEASE APPROACH THIS TOPIC WITH A OPEN MIND!!! https://planefinder.net/ https://www.timeanddate.com/ / On Late nite Macedonian TV Dave AKA DMurphy25 https://www.youtube.com/user/dmurphy25 former atheist debunks the occultic, heliocentric, spinning ball earth mythology, answers frequently asked questions and thoroughly explains why empirical evidence & axiomatic facts overwhelmingly support the biblical, closed, cosmological system we actually live in. It's a excellent presentation. 5 stars! This video came from a Macedonian late nate show & was edited by ODD TV https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzSm...*BIBLICAL EARTH IS A 24 HOUR CLOCK* https://youtu.be/gfYdBwn-pAY I filmed 30 secs of the sun after sunrise using a PENTAX WG III camera. And old footage of suppressed honest scientists debunking a spinning globe. Uploaded by Bro. Sanchez TVFeel free to download this video, re-upload it and use it as a tool to share awareness of the amazing, clockwork like designed, beautiful, level plane we live on. Here's Why Satellites Don't Exist - Undebunkable https://youtu.be/YmwFRvm8c34There are Hebrew words distinguishing circle and ball and they are both used in isaiah. Isaiah 40:22 deliberately used the word circle. Circle in Isaiah 40:22 Is Strong's H2329 meaning circle, circuit, compass. Ball is Strong's H1754 which is a different term so there was no lack of a Hebrew word for ball so saying Isaiah meant ball is error. ((BALL)) Isaiah 22:1818 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.((CIRCLE))Isaiah 40:2222 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:You have the truth now so christians who continue to attack other believers who reject the anti-biblical spinning ball are now completely without excuse before God & the great cloud of witnesses in heaven. I suggest praying and asking God about this before pressing on and continuing to help the deceiver of this world destroy God's Word & stifle investigation that confirms it. I don't know the exact shape of our planet but nothing in the bible describes it being a spinning ball. The bible says the world doesn't move. So you either believe the bible or you don't.*THE FIRMAMENT DOME & METEORS EXPLAINED by Russianvids*https://youtu.be/xY-2dVGD-DMThe word NASA is a derivative from these words used in the Bible.In its original Hebrew it is נָשָׂא (naw-shaw'). Transliteration: “Nasah” or “Nasa” (positive)Definition: - to lift, carry, take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafter Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Please can you explain in summary cos my mind is closed to the point i will not click any of these links and i couldnt even read the post fully. Please summarise with bullet points including ur understanding of why satellites dont exist 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greens Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Who has something to gain from duping the world to believe a flat earth is round? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seydou Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Even so, who cares. Make ? Spend ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incumbent Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 52 minutes ago, Grafter said: Please can you explain in summary cos my mind is closed to the point i will not click any of these links and i couldnt even read the post fully. Please summarise with bullet points including ur understanding of why satellites dont exist this site does a better job & covers most of the main points https://flatearthscienceandbible.wordpress.com/2016/02/08/top-ten-undeniable-flat-earth-proofs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incumbent Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, Greens said: Who has something to gain from duping the world to believe a flat earth is round? where do I start lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incumbent Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1) The horizon always appears completely flat 360 degrees to the observer, regardless of how high you go up. Any curvature you think you see is from curved airplane windows or Go Pro cameras and fisheye lenses (which NASA loves to use). The reality is that the horizon never curves because we are on an endless plane. On a globe with 25,000 miles in circumference you would see a noticeable disappearance of objects the further they are as they would be leaning away from you and dropping below the constantly curving horizon! Completely flat horizon from the stratosphere: http://m.airpano.com/360Degree-VirtualTour.php?3D=Stratosphere-Caucasus 2) The horizon always rises to meet your eye level never no matter how high in altitude you go. Even at 20 miles up the horizon rises to meet the observer/camera. This is only physically possible if the earth is a huge “endless” flat plane. If Earth were a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer/camera would have to tilt downward, looking down further and further to see it. Horizon always at eye level: https://youtu.be/8twAg6CH2sM 3) The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant spinning sphere tilting and hurling through space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. There would be a massive bulge of water in the oceans because of the curvature of the earth. If earth was curved and spinning the oceans of water would be flowing down to level and covering land. Some rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill. There would massive water chaos and flooding! What we would see and experience would be vastly different! But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense. The water remains flat because the earth is flat! 4) If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level. Bedford Level Experiment: Proof of no curvature http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S162-163.htm The formula for a spherical earth: is this what we see? Where’s the curve? 5) The sun is much closer than we have been told. It is, in fact, in our atmosphere. You can clearly see that it is not 93 million miles away. Many times you can see the sun’s rays shooting out of a cloud forming a triangle. If you follow the rays to their source it will always lead to a place above the clouds. If the sun was truly millions of miles away, all the rays would come in at a straight angle. Also the sun can be seen directly above clouds in some balloon photos, creating a hot spot on the clouds below it and in other photos you can clearly see the clouds dispersing directly underneath the close small sun. Time lapse of the sun proves the flat earth: Crepuscular Rays Prove Flat Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ppPXChyTo 6) If we were living on a spinning globe airplane’s would constantly have to dip their noses down every few minutes to compensate for the curvature of the earth (with a circumference of 25,000 miles the earth would be constantly curving at the speed of an airplane). In reality however, they never do this! They learn how to fly based on a level flat plane. Also if the earth was spinning the airplane’s going west would get to their destination much faster since the earth is spinning in the opposite direction. If the atmosphere is spinning with the earth then airplanes flying west would have to fly faster than the earth’s spin to reach its destination. In reality, the earth is flat and airplanes just fly level and reach their destination easily because the earth is not moving. Planes Could Not Land if Earth was Moving or Spinning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_fxcFr1CrI 7) The experiment known as “Airy’s Failure” proved that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around. By first filling a telescope with water to slow down the speed of light inside, then calculating the tilt necessary to get the starlight directly down the tube, Airy failed to prove the heliocentric theory since the starlight was already coming in the correct angle with no change necessary, and instead proved the geocentric model correct. Airy’s Failure explained: 8) The Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments attempted to measure the change in speed of light due to Earth’s assumed motion through space. After measuring in every possible different direction in various locations they failed to detect any significant change whatsoever, again proving the stationary geocentric model. Michelson-Morley Experiment: 9) If “gravity” is really a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction. If “gravity” is strong enough to curve the massive expanse of oceans around a globular Earth, it would be impossible for fish and other creatures to swim through such forcefully held water. Gravity is a hoax: http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2015/07/flat-earth-gravity-is-a-hoax-2461410.html Everything on our flat earth is naturally arranged by density and mass. 10) Ship captains in navigating great distances at sea never need to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their calculations. Both Plane Sailing and Great Circle Sailing, the most popular navigation methods, use plane, not spherical trigonometry, making all mathematical calculations on the assumption that the Earth is perfectly flat. If the Earth were in fact a sphere, such an errant assumption would lead to constant glaring inaccuracies. Plane Sailing has worked perfectly fine in both theory and practice for thousands of years, however, and plane trigonometry has time and again proven more accurate than spherical trigonometry in determining distances across the oceans. If the Earth were truly a globe, then every line of latitude south of the equator would have to measure a gradually smaller and smaller circumference the farther South travelled. If, however, the Earth is an extended plane, then every line of latitude south of the equator should measure a gradually larger and larger circumference the farther South travelled. The fact that many captains navigating south of the equator assuming the globular theory have found themselves drastically out of reckoning, more so the farther South travelled, testifies to the fact that the Earth is not a ball. The South Pole does not exist; Antarctica truth http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html?m=1 True world: Flat Earth http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html?m=1 Flat Geocentric Earth https://flatgeocentricearth.wordpress.com/ Flat earth tides and the electromagnetism of the sun and moon https://youtu.be/_pauQitNEM0 How the four seasons work: Flat earth perspective explained: 200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball. Author Eric Dubay. http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html 200 Proofs Earth is not a spinning ball video book by Eric Dubay. Eric Dubay YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/ericdubay77 The Biggest Lie of All The Biggest Lie of All – Part 2 The Flat Earth Masonic Matrix Manipulators TIMELAPSE OF THE SUN PROVES FLAT EARTH – HD The Zionists, Freemasons, and NASA’s Biggest Secret Debunking the Spinning Ball Earth Gravity Does Not Exist! by Eric Dubay Relativity Does Not Exist! The Masonic Sun-Worshipping Globalist Cult of NASA The NASA Moon and Mars Landing Hoaxes The Flat Moon Over the Flat Stars are Not Suns! Flat Earth Star Trails Explained True World | Flat Earth Documentary My Perspective Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/Rorycoopervids TETs TRUTH TUBE Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxjjbu4mA4lKUsNt_6v8Tzg Flat Earth and the Real Stars Flat Earth: Frequency of the Heavens Flat Water Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/imthegee1 Red Boat Video 121,000 feet Little Piggy Cam High Altitude Balloon Flight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafter Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Nah man Nah. U cant do this. The natural physics of water? *weeps* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPR Dee Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 really? in 2017 really? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lens Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I find some of this believable, I want to know at what point, if I continuously went East, I'd run out of land to head to in that direction. or if I didn't, would I discover new land You can't say for example, that I could go East continuously from here, pass Asia, the Americas, then end up back in England and still say the world isn't a sphere, can You? or if it is, would I be arriving back at the same England or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 OMG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meticulous Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 53 minutes ago, Lens said: I find some of this believable, I want to know at what point, if I continuously went East, I'd run out of land to head to in that direction. or if I didn't, would I discover new land You can't say for example, that I could go East continuously from here, pass Asia, the Americas, then end up back in England and still say the world isn't a sphere, can You? or if it is, would I be arriving back at the same England or not? according to them this is the correct map of the world the north pole is in the middle and the south pole is the ring around the outside heading east from here means you will end up here again and still be living on a plane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizchif Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 This is pretty mental. Let me break this down very simply in the only way I know how - The scope of observation from these pictures is too narrow to observe the curvature of the earth. This is a thing with a circumference of 26000 miles around, so looking at a horizon maybe 150 miles (unlikely) away you're going to struggle to directly observe the curvature. HOWEVER, if you were to look through a telescope at a boat going in a straight line, you will observe the boat sinking into the horizon, and that is direct evidence of a round earth. Plus we can clearly see the shape everything else in the observable universe takes. Our knowledge of a heliocentric solar system has been a physical constant that has lead to us being able to launch satellites into our orbit, study our solar and extrasolar system along with contributing to countless additional discoveries. Please note, and I say this without any irony that a well constructed argument doth not determine fact. This is actually counter-science and I donot subscribe to it. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLEAZE BALL Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Will bookmark this topic and come back when I'm high Should be even more interesting then Thanks guys 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizchif Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, Trap God said: Will bookmark this topic and come back when I'm high Should be even more interesting then Thanks guys Bro, its seriously not interesting. Take it from someone who has done the research,I won't comment on something without giving the counter argument some analysis and its genuinely boring. You're going to start scratching your head eventually and switching off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meticulous Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mizchif said: HOWEVER, if you were to look through a telescope at a boat going in a straight line, you will observe the boat sinking into the horizon, and that is direct evidence of a round earth. apparently when the boat 'sinks' into the horizon, if you get a stronger telescope and look again, the boat reappears, and so on that 6 mile experiment, you can go and check yourself if it really matters to you. all this heliocentric solar system shit, we cant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lens Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's given me enough reason to question how definite I was about the globe but I want to now know the benefit of lying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizchif Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MADE ME GO TO THAT SITE! MUST I DEBUNK THIS?!?!!? Is this seriously how I have to spend my evening, seriously? When they started talking about Gravity and the way our solar system moves through the galaxy, I lost my shit. I'm not doing this, you will not make me do this, but I will speak briefly on gravity. Bullet points even. - Gravity, very weak force. So weak that you can throw a ball in the air to escape it, but to escape it complete you'd have to travel many thousands of miles from the source of the object, but plainly speaking its impossible because everything is affected by gravity even at a quantum level. - Earth, very large object, very large surface area. Such a large surface area with so much mass it's gravitional pull affects things not attached to it, like me, you and the ball I spoke of previously. - Things - People, birds, water, ants, airplanes, all uniquely affected by gravity based on their mass. Believe it or not you the person reading this and I also have an affect on the planets gravity. Crazy right. But lets use an experiment you can try yourself, if you're wondering why you don't fly to the back of the bus when you jump or walk its because your centre of gravity is the floor of that object. You cannot perceive this, but its what's happening because you and that bus now share a gravitational connection. We are not being dragged to the centre of this planet we are attracted to it, this is Netwons law of universal gravitation - Our Sun, not a static object. Also moving through the galaxy at very fast speeds. We're able to keep a fluid system of orbit around the sun because of its enormous mass. So here is how it goes - Person attracted to centre of earth, earth attracted to centre of solar system, solar system attracted to centre of galaxy, galaxy attracted to centre of universe (???Maybe???). Could go on for a while about this, but will not. Hopefully I've imparted some information on "Theories of Gravity" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heero Yuy Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 If the earth was flat the moon wouldn't orbit it in a circular motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vtec Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 an interesting subject which i've heard about too, arguements which stake in favour of flat, but then leave loads of other questions about meteor showers, the moon itself and through its phases each month, it appears as a global object. (but never rotates...) All known images of the earth as a whole sphere are under remit of NASA, and they themselves admit all images of earth as globe are hi res composite images, (eg stiched satellite images patched together) https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=57723 https://www.nasa.gov/content/blue-marble-image-of-the-earth-from-apollo-17 "This spectacular “blue marble” image is the most detailed true-color image of the entire Earth to date. Using a collection of satellite-based observations, scientists and visualizers stitched together months of observations of the land surface, oceans, sea ice, and clouds into a seamless, true-color mosaic of every square kilometer (.386 square mile) of our planet. These images are freely available to educators, scientists, museums, and the public." all footage you can find of space walks by Nasa and the ISS they always use fish eye/ concave lenses and never pan a full rotation camera sweep. Interesting subject.. either way we're never gonna know for certain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizchif Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 The moon does rotate, it's just tidally locked with us. It rotates at the right speed so that it only shows one side of its face to us. This happens on nearly all planets with moons, its called tidal friction and is another example of gravity. Anyways I must bounce from this topic its due to only frustrate me which is sad because I love physics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizchif Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 40 minutes ago, Meticulous said: apparently when the boat 'sinks' into the horizon, if you get a stronger telescope and look again, the boat reappears, and so on that 6 mile experiment, you can go and check yourself if it really matters to you. all this heliocentric solar system shit, we cant I'm going to die unhappy. I stress, with a circumference of 26000 miles plus at its widest, a straight line for 6 miles is not a large enough measurement of distance to observe the curvature of the planet. That is truly mental I can't do this i'm going to give myself palpitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meticulous Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 whats the correct equation to work out the curvature over a certain distance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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