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Italian media say Juventus are ready for Manchester United legal action over Paul Pogba

Posted by SPORT WITNESS on June 18, 2012 at 10:46 in Sport Witness FootballView Discussions

This transfer saga has the potential to go down in football history as one of the most drawn out and frustrating of recent times. For a player who hasn't made a handful of first team appearances, the fuss over him seems ridiculous and it could be about to get quite messy as well.

Last week we brought you the news from Italy that Juventus were treating the compensation payment due to Manchester United as a discretionary action, that they would pay if it helped keep relations between the two clubs cordial. Following their recent spending,Juventus seem to be having other ideas and Tuttosport say they are now refusing to part with the rumoured €300,000 required for Pogba.

FIFA rules state the following:

Training compensation shall be paid to a player’s training club(s): (1) when a player signs his first contract as a professional and (2) each time a professional is transferred until the end of the season of his 23rd birthday. The obligation to pay training compensation arises whether the transfer takes place during or at the end of the player’s contract.

That would clearly apply to Paul Pogba who is 19 years old and coming to the end of his first professional contract with Manchester United.

The training compensation is calculated on a complicated system which takes into accounts cost of training and, interestingly, this is done on a pro-rata basis dependant on the player's time with the club between the age of 12 and when he leaves the club. Paul Pogba joined Manchester United in October 2009, meaning he's been with them for less than three years.

Tuttosport now claim Manchester United are demanding €300,000 and Juventus have decided not to pay that amount, believe they have a firm legal case, and are happy to take the matter further. Whilst the Turin club are wrong to think they won't have to pay any compensation, that could be their initial point of bargaining and they may think they have a very good case that the figure quoted is too much for the player, his potential is irrelevant in this circumstance.

However, Juventus and Manchester United both fall within the UEFA section of FIFA's training cost table which means they are calculated to be on the level of €90,000 in training costs annually, which if calculated on a monthly basis and without differentiation between the levels of the clubs within their own associations, would make the amount about €240,000.

The difference is small and the fact that Juventus are dragging their feet over the amount could suggest they had a total ignorance of it in the first place, are playing hard ball in the hope Manchester United won't want to take it to FIFA's Dispute Resolution Chamber, or are getting cold feet over the cost of the transfer as a whole.

Taking figures from various press reports, Juventus will pay Pogba's agent, Mino Raiola, €2m, and the player €1m a year over a four contract. In total the cost to them, with compensation, is about €6.5m which they may feel is money they don't need to commit given their relative strength in midfield.

The Italian side already have Claudio Marchisio, Andrea Pirlo, Arturo Vidal and Emanuele Giaccherini. Youngster Luca Marrone struggles for game time, even as a substitute - and they've now strengthened their midfield considerably. Udinese's Kwadwo Asamoah had his medical with the club last week and the 23 year old, who was linked with Manchester United himself, is a very highly rated midfielder. They've also just got Chilean Mauricio Isla who can play just about anywhere, including central midfield. Oh, and another young midfielder has popped up in the shape of Omar El Kaddouri, who has signed from Brescia.

The Paul Pogba saga looked like it was coming to an end but now it seems there's potential for it to get a whole lot messier.

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The ironey I am actually going on about is seeking compensation not him going on a bosman. Similar to city and sturridge when they seeked compensation from Chelsea even though they poached him Coventry (yes I know he was villa's books before that) de ja vu with le harve seeking compensation

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Ten year anniversary for a key, unsung, cog at United

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Naturally, fans tend to think about the players or a manager when either praising or criticising a club – rarely are the other members of staff considered. At United in the past 10 years, there is one member of staff in particular who deserves to be singled out above others, Rene Meulensteen.

It’s understandable that coaches and other backroom members of staff don’t necessarily get the attention they should – they’re referred to as ‘backroom’ for a reason. What they do and how they impact the club is somewhat unknown and unclear to a lot of fans – that’s not a criticism; their intricate workings are kept private and away from prying eyes.

Rene joined United in 2001 as Ferguson looked to expand his staff following the move to the Trafford Training Centre (Carrington) from The Cliff. His specific role was to work on both technique and skills with the various youth sides. United’s policy had always been to produce players who were capable on the ball, with a focus on quick passing football that entertains. Ferguson though was ready to take it to the next level and increase specialisation at the roots of the club.

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recently, featuring a very young Danny Welbeck and Larnell Cole amongst others. The clips, whilst amusing, serve to highlight Rene’s long-term role in the development of ‘talent’. As boys joined the Academy aged 11 their footballing education began with lessons based on control, touch and the simple but effective skills that all players should have.

I’d have considered some of the skills to be more ‘street football’ – the kind of things I used to try all the time with friends in the road or on the playground. Traditionally though, coaching in England has always had more of a focus on other areas, things that do need to be coached into young players. Rene had a slightly different view, choosing to implement something he’d learnt under one of the unsung masters of footballing coaching, Wiel Coerver.

Having heard about Coerver’s methods, Rene spent much of the 90s in the Middle East learning about them and working alongside Wiel (who by then was already 70). Rene learnt that coaches should analyse what made players great in the past – skills that were previously effective shouldn’t be ignored and can be taught to a new generation. The entire method and theory centres on the fact that at a young age, the players know no better than to respond to the environment they’re put in. If they’re encouraged to practice their skills from that age then it’ll become natural for them to still be doing them and be good at them by the time they’re 17 and hopefully turning pro.

Implementing the Coerver Method at United became Rene’s challenge. The new generation of United players would be taught differently. Not that size has ever gone against a player coming through but the smaller players would be encouraged to be technically excellent so what they physically lacked they had elsewhere. A core part of what Coerver believed in was about a mixture of confidence and versatility. He suggested there was little wrong with playing a player with younger boys so he could physically compete but also believed that appreciating other positions was important. Skills can be used anywhere on the pitch regardless of where you play and so he encouraged the use of players in unfamiliar roles – we’ve seen that lately with Tom Thorpe in midfield and even Larnell Cole as a full back.

Last November, Rene spoke to United’s website about what he’s been doing: “It’s all about quick feet and a quick brain” – whilst Barcelona have been benefitting from this attitude and belief lately, United have to continue to be patient. The fruits of Rene and the other coaches’ hard work is only just starting to be felt. Welbeck and Cleverley represent the first more technically gifted players to have come through our Academy for some time. Whilst still raw, it’s obvious to see how they’ve benefitted – Welbeck in particular has fabulous control and skill for such a lanky player.

Since joining, Rene’s role has of course changed as he became more involved with the Reserves before eventually becoming a first team coach (he did manage Brøndy briefly for a spell in between it all too). The system he’s successfully managed to implement is a stock part of training for United players from the U11s up to the first team. It means that when players do breakthrough and train with the first team that they’re already familiar with the exercises and routines that they’re set to practice. It’s also allowed players to know each other inside out – it’s often been said that Cleverley and Welbeck; and Cole and Lingard are forever on the same wavelength, instinctively knowing each other’s movement and where to play the passes. It even prompted Welbeck to comment: “Sometimes I train against Larnell and Jesse and think I’m playing against a little Iniesta and Xavi.”

Whilst it might be wrong to single one coach out above others (Paul McGuinness in particular has been doing superb work with our U18s), it seems fitting that in Rene’s tenth season at United, so many of his first pupils have either made the breakthrough or made their debuts: Welbeck, Cleverley, Morrison, Fryers, W Keane, M Keane, Cole and although he’s not played for the first team, Lingard. In terms of United’s long term production of their own players, particularly given financial restrictions, Rene’s role should never be overlooked – a key member of staff whose impact on the club in the 21st century has already been unquestionably superb.

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Philosophy pays off

Rene Meulensteen feels United are reaping the benefits of developing youngsters from an early age and bringing them through the system.

The first-team coach implemented his philosophy at Carrington, developing the famed Coerver method after working with his fellow countryman Will in the 1990s. Teaching schoolboys good habits allows them the flexibility to play in different positions and the fruits of the hard work are starting to become clear for all to see.

"I worked with Will myself and I was very fortunate to do that," he stated. "That provided the background, the basis of the philosophy which I've taken on board and expanded it so it has become my philosophy, engrained with all the other important aspects.

"I'm just a very strong believer in it because the best players out there in the world - past and present - have given us that information. If you go back in time to George Best, Johan Cruyff and Diego Maradona up to all of the best players now - Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney - they've got the ability to take players on and beat them. It's not only important for the team, it's very exciting for the game itself."

Educating the youngsters is providing a massive benefit for United when they are asked to fulfil various roles later in their career. The in-built confidence in possession and comfort with the ball is vitally important to Meulensteen's programme.

"In the beginning, the kids are young and just respond to the environment you create for them," he explained. "They don't know what is good or bad, they just enjoy it or hate it but they will do it.

"If I had kids climbing the fence up and down all day, they don't know whey they're doing it.

"But, when they get to 18-20, they realise it's no good and they should've worked on their skills.

"When they've gone through that, it has become second nature and that's why skill development is so important in the early age groups because it can become second nature by 16, 17 and 18. If a player is going to be a defender, midfielder or attacker, they also know it's no problem because they think if I'm under pressure, I've got the skills to deal with it and that is the big difference."

The progress of Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley into the first-team this season is providing evidence that the system is set to produce players of international calibre for Sir Alex Ferguson.

"It is, more and more, an exciting time for me," enthused Meulensteen. "It's started with Welbeck and Cleverley because, when I came in, they were 10 or 11. Now they've featured in the first team team and, just underneath, there's the likes of Larnell Cole, Jesse Lingard, Ryan Tunnicliffe, Tom Thorpe, Ezekiel Fryers and the Keanes.

"They've all been on the skills journey and are now coming back to Reserves training and working with the first team and they see the same coach, sending the same messages. They say: 'Do you remember?' and it's a case of: 'Yes, so now you can tell why we did it. It should make you a player who can make a difference for us'."

For Michael Keane, Cole and Lingard in particular, patience was preached because of their slower physical development and that is beginning to pay off. "Exactly," asserted Meulensteen. "Height is no problem. It's all about quick feet and a quick brain. You see Barcelona showing us that every week."

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Reds' first-year intake

United have confirmed nine first-year Academy scholars ahead of next season, including James Wilson and Nicholas Ioannou.

The 16-year-old duo performed admirably during last season's FA Youth Cup run and will look to make further progress under coach Paul McGuinness.

Andreas Pereira appeared for the Under-18 side last term after arriving from PSV Eindhoven while Joshua Harrop and Ashley Fletcher also made fleeting appearances, with the latter even getting on the bench for the Reserves' Lancashire Senior Cup clash with Blackpool.

Defenders Ben Barber and Ryan McConnell are also part of the intake, along with midfielders Callum Evans and Matthew Willock, while Kieran O'Hara will compete for a place between the sticks after signing as an Under-17 Academy student.

http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/The-Academy/Academy-News/2012/Jul/2012-manchester-united-first-year-academy-intake-of-scholars.aspx

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