The Official Manchester United Thread

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standard essex looking becky

yer agreed

[Thizz]

Last time I checked United didn't have a director of football.

 

Moyes may not have been responsible for the negotiations cause that's Woodward's job but choosing the players we did and didn't target and the timing of our attempted bids(waiting until deadline day to tell Woodward to move for Fellaini, Coentrao, Herrera etc. instead of during pre-season) was down to him.

 

 

I'd like to know how much information/notice Moyes had about the united job though. From someone coming from Everton to a club like United you'd need a significant amount of time to take a look at the squad, asses the weakness's and then go out and find the correct players. The whole thing seems like Fergie said one day I'm going so appoint Moyes, Moyes got approached and appointed and then he was rushing around trying to find players. True say if he would have kept the backroom staff this wouldn't have been as much of a problem. I dunno it just seems like Moyes didn't get alot of time to plan ahead, I maybe wrong.

 

Moyes ran down his contract he knew months in advance,

[Kompressor]

Moyes had plenty of time to prepare himself for the job.

I'd say its laughable to suggest that Moyes was late in telling Woodward to move for Fellani and the others. Bids were made with plenty of time to go, it was the valuation/negotiations that stumped them.

Herrera was apparently being watched by club scouts from "before we played Bilboa" so his name was already in the mix. No surprise he was targeted.

Common sense says Moyes identified the players but Woodward thought the deals could be executed more easily so didn't act with any great haste. Also time wasted perusing Cesc didn't help.

The idea that Moyes waited till the last week if the transfer window to tell Woodward who to target is laughable considering buds for Fellani were made earlier than that, they were just "derisory and insulting" I think the quote from Everton said,

[Black.]

What's this about Zaha going on loan

[Agony]

@Kompressor, that comment was more to do with the lastmin.com bids for Coentrao and Khedira.

 

Fellaini could've been signed earlier but United felt that they could get him for a cheap or as part as a double deal with Baines. It's more believable that idea came from the man that knows Everton and Kenwright rather than Woodward.

 

The whole world knows we're weak in central midfield so he didn't need any more time to figure that out and even the players on his Everton short list like Strootman, Van Ginkel and Leroy Fer who he heavily scouted would've have been suitable additions and would've been a better option than Giggs coming off the bench vs Shakhtar.

 

And Moyes should have pulled the plug on the wild goose chase for Cesc cause that was never gonna happen.

[Agony]

David Moyes's best form of defence is Manchester United attack

Manager is not under real pressure but putting aside his natural caution could help at Sunderland almost as much as victory

Barney Ronay

The Guardian, Friday 4 October 2013 19.30 BST

 

David Moyes’s Manchester United have scored a meagre four goals in their past five Premier League games.

Photograph: Alex Livesey/Getty Images

 

Manchester United are – of course – not in crisis. They are some way short still of crisis-curious and will remain so even if they drop further Premier League points against Sunderland at the Stadium of Light on Saturday. United are, though, undoubtedly in transition.

This is not a computer game and the departure of an era-defining manager was always likely to induce a crunching of the gears. Against this the Champions League draw in Donetsk on Wednesday represents perhaps the best result so far of the new managerial era. As David Moyes himself pointed out this week, he is, as far as anyone can tell with any certainty, the best man for what is a considerable job.

And yet it is impossible not to speculate on how Moyes's regearing of United is going to play out, and in this respect one aspect of his earliest days is worthy of comment. It is not the results. It is not the players. It is instead a textural thing. If United have not often looked like United this season, this is as much to do with a certain linearity in attack, a lack of fluidity and dash, even – whisper it – of ambition.

A sense of adventure can hardly be conjured to order but then this is no ordinary club and tone and style are important at a club whose historical appeal – not to mention global marketing scheme – is based around an enduring lure of red-shirted romance. This is not perhaps something Moyes needs to address right now (picture the scene as the new manager instructs his players to thrill and entertain, to prance and dance at the Stadium of Light). But these things do matter, particularly perhaps in straitened times.

Certainly the statistics are fairly bald. In their past five Premier League matches United have scored four goals, with only four also in the league this season from open play. Of 16 goals scored in all competitions only one has come from a midfielder or defender, significant given that a spread of attacking riches was often a feature of more dynamic teams past. Of course statistics often tell barely half a story but the lack of fluidity in United's play follows the numerical trail. So far they have been at their best, as in midweek, when defending as a team and no doubt it is from here that Moyes intends to build. It is what any sensible manager would do. But is it enough?

The lesson of the past few years seems to be: yes, as long as you are winning. Play like Fergie's boys, the song goes. But even Fergie's boys did not often play like Fergie's boys in those final few seasons. Last season they were positively handbrake-ish at times, resembling on more than one victorious occasion a team of two excellent strikers, one high-class midfielder, a brilliant manager and some good‑quality filler.

Ferguson of course had earned this, having created successive brilliantly attacking teams before the slow drift of the past few years under owners who have done a brilliant job of keeping the ship ploughing on while skimming all that is decently possible off the top of the purser's float. It is perhaps only now becoming clear what a brilliant job Ferguson did in those last few years.

And yet for all this Moyes is an excellent manager who could probably succeed anywhere with the right backing. He can even afford to tread water a little while he finds his voice, albeit there are ways of doing it. United have had relatively fallow periods in the distant past but at least under Tommy Docherty and Ron Atkinson – three FA Cups in nine years between them – there was a sense of boldness and élan, of an attempt to build teams with attacking ambition.

This is not Moyes's first instinct, to a degree that it is even possible to argue that hiring a manager of innate caution is the first wrong move by United's owners: so commercially refined, so brand-aware, but showing perhaps a misunderstanding of what exactly it was on the pitch that built the brand they are now so eagerly monetising.

Moyes created functional teams in his early years at Everton but oversaw some more progressive footballing moments as the quality of his squad improved. And yet there is no doubt that, given a free hand, somebody like Jürgen Klopp (who was not available) would have been a more natural fit for the requirement to produce engaging attacking football out of what has, for all the talk, been a relatively sensible budget to date.

Right now a few wins, however they come, are all that is required. But Moyes does have options within his squad that might add a little productive attacking zeal. To play Shinji Kagawa in his favoured No10 position hardly looks like a gamble. Perhaps Moyes might even be more willing to use Marouane Fellaini a little further forward in the chest-control target man role that has brought the best out of him in the past. And while Moyes may not have been ready to give Ross Barkley his head at Everton, youth is part of the fabric of United and Adnan Januzaj, in particular, is a wonderfully seductive talent on the right wing. With a new contract unsigned, it would be politic on many fronts to give the 18-year-old Belgian a little more playing time.

It is also worth noting that there is a degree of synchronicity between attacking football and winning football. This is not Serie A in the 1990s: it is the Premier League, where the level of defensive stitching is less than perfect and where there is often reward for a little forward thinking. Moyes faces an enormous job on so many fronts. But he could buy himself some time, not to mention plenty of goodwill, with a little dash of United adventure.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/oct/04/david-moyes-manchester-united-sunderland?

 

[Horatio Caine]

 

Last time I checked United didn't have a director of football.

 

Moyes may not have been responsible for the negotiations cause that's Woodward's job but choosing the players we did and didn't target and the timing of our attempted bids(waiting until deadline day to tell Woodward to move for Fellaini, Coentrao, Herrera etc. instead of during pre-season) was down to him.

 

 

I'd like to know how much information/notice Moyes had about the united job though. From someone coming from Everton to a club like United you'd need a significant amount of time to take a look at the squad, asses the weakness's and then go out and find the correct players. The whole thing seems like Fergie said one day I'm going so appoint Moyes, Moyes got approached and appointed and then he was rushing around trying to find players. True say if he would have kept the backroom staff this wouldn't have been as much of a problem. I dunno it just seems like Moyes didn't get alot of time to plan ahead, I maybe wrong.

 

Moyes ran down his contract he knew months in advance,

yeah i had that same feeling, he knew he was goin to united, he prob knew from the start of last season

[Agony]

“I’ll look at January, but I wouldn’t want people to have big expectations about what you would sign or do,” Moyes said. “I don’t think January has, in the main, been a really good month to sign really top players.

“If you’re in trouble near the bottom of the league you might make signings if you’re desperate for something, but I think we will be looking for the top [players].

“The quality of players I’ve got here they are really top-end and great players to work with, but undoubtedly we will, in time, try to make that ­better. That’s the part of the job; the job is to make progress. United won the league last year and I want to try and progress on that.

“Will we win it again? Will we go and try to win the cups if possible as well? Yes, but we’ll look to add to the squad if the right players become available. We wanted to try and get one or two players in during the summer, which we said at the time.

“It wasn’t that we needed many more players, it was a need for one or two that could definitely help and affect the first team.”

 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Vidic

Carrick

Evra

Ferdinand

Fabio

Janujaz

Macheda

Giggs

 

Apparently players contracts up next summer

 

Can see Giggs, Evra, Ferdinand and Macheda all going, possibly Fabio too, if Moyes doesn't fancy him

[Young £]

Michael Calvin interview: An insider's perspective on David Moyes

By Callum Hamilton  @Callum_TH on Oct 4 2013, 12:47p 11

 

 

Paul Thomas

Michael Calvin, author of The Nowhere Men, talks about David Moyes' methods, and the changing face of scouting and analysis in modern football.

 

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Callum Hamilton: There's been a bit of confusion this summer over exactly what happened with United's transfer targets - do you get the impression that David Moyes' cautiousness, which you allude to in your book, might have hindered since he started late in the window?

 

Michael Calvin: That's an obvious conclusion to draw. The transition is going to be over a lot of levels - getting his head around the stature of the club, the politics in the dressing room, the commercial demands... it's a multi-faceted role because of the nature of the club. Manchester United are essentially two institutions. There's a football institution on Sir Matt Busby way, and there's the commercial institution with branches everywhere apart from Pluto.

 

He's got to try and get his head around the different sense of discipline required for United just because of the size of the place - he's got to compartmentalise to a far greater degree than he would've done at Everton. The basic assets that he would bring are probably going to be very important over the next twelve to eighteen months. Obviously the dynamic at Everton was completely different - his reputation was based on rigour, and obsessional pursuit of value. They were looking for the sort of player that United neither want or need.

 

Everything they did there was really designed to mitigate against the expensive mistake. Time and again, if you speak to people there, the line was that David Moyes spent the money as though it was his own. But the revisionists are out in force very quickly and there's been a massive overreaction. That's partly because of the nature of the club, partly because of the person who anointed him. He will inevitably undergo a difficult transitional process.

 

 

"THE WHOLE PROCESS IS ON THE CUSP OF CHANGE. THERE'S A CULTURE CLASH BETWEEN THE OLD-SCHOOL, INTUITIVE APPROACH AND A NEW, MORE ANALYTICAL MOVEMENT."

 

CH: You mentioned United are of course are looking at different players under Everton. There's so many different stories been spun in different ways, and there's no consensus with what happened. Thiago Alcantara for example - initially it seemed he simply turned United down for Bayern Munich, but since then some stories have also stated that Moyes had turned him down. He was obviously not a problem in terms of value, but is Moyes looking at different attributes, prioritising different things at United? His mentality, or suitability for the club, or attitude?

 

MC: The whole process is on the cusp of change. There's a culture clash between the old school, intuitive approach with a guy in a flat cap who goes out and sees, and senses things, and a new more analytical movement. But out of all the clubs I looked at, I thought Moyes and Everton combined both approaches very well. The thing that struck me most was the rigour of the process - when you're in the recruitment room, you do get a real sense of the man - it's imbued with Moyes' spirit.

 

The guy who works there is a guy who's worked with Moyes since 2003, James Smith - he probably had reports on about a thousand players. His office, which was off-limits to players, started with their initial target list, about a couple of hundred players, annotated by position. You could look at that and see the strategic weaknesses of the market - for example, while I was there there were very few right-backs in the world.

 

The other charts were well structured, because each scout when he went to a game had to assess every player under the age of 24 and grade them on specific aspects. Moyes produced what he called his 'MOT test', where each position had about ten or twelve criteria. His optimal aim was to have fifty reports on a primary target, compiled by between ten and twelve scouts, just to get that breadth of opinion. Then Moyes would go out as well - it's interesting that he still goes out. There are very few scouting managers now, but Moyes was always on the circuit.

 

CH: That's something Ferguson occasionally used to do, but towards the end it seemed more an act of registering his interest - he used to go to be seen rather than to see.

 

MC: Yes, absolutely. Moyes of course was different - but also, he was one of the first managers to get his head around performance analysis. Even when he was at Preston he was working in that field, which was just beginning to emerge. But in terms of scouting, in that room, the key point was what was kind of a Moyes mind map. There, he had a view of his optimal starting eleven. It had age, performance record, contract details and so on. It was his optimal team for that season, but also the next three seasons.

 

Now, gaps develop over that time scale. This is probably the reason that players weren't allowed in - it showed that he might have to lose one or two. Managers have the black art of knowing when players are about to go over the hill, but they might still get a few quid for them.

 

"MY SENSE IS THAT WHAT MOYES IS TRYING TO DO IS ALMOST GIVE SOME PLAYERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY THEMSELVES OUT OF THE CLUB."

 

To relate that type of mindset to what's going on at United now - my sense is that what Moyes is trying to do is almost give some players the opportunity to play themselves out of the club. That's my instinct - you look back at the cataclysmic performance, or non-performance, that Ashley Young gave in the Derby. It looked that he didn't have a future. I was also, like many, amazed that he played Anderson. He just simply is not a Manchester United player.

 

There's an acceptance in the club that they made a strategic mistake in not buying out his contract earlier. You have to judge him on that 12-18 month timescale. They're not a sacking club - they have a strategic commitment to him, and there's no doubt he'll get time. The way Moyes works, you can only judge him over that medium-term, when he's had a couple of transfer windows. I'm sure he's looking at the scouting system very rigorously.

 

CH: Well, there was a story recently that he was about to overhaul that. From what you've said, though, it sounds as though Moyes' whole way of working is geared towards the longer-term.

 

MC: It is. Another interesting thing is, David Moyes could be categorised as a traditional British, autocratic manager, but with the whole recruitment process he instigated at Everton, and honed over eleven years, he was surprisingly collegiate. He always had the final decision, but, one of the whiteboards on the wall was almost a manifestation of the loyalty of the people he had around him. A list of players that were individual choices by his inner circle of six.. The prerequisite was that they had to be 26 or under, and playing for a club outside the top six in the Premier League. Those were voted for by Moyes and the senior staff - there were about twenty, of which four were unanimous choices to be looked at very closely.

 

Moyes was the boss, and he was very aware of his power. I think there's a lot that hasn't come out yet in terms of his character. He's probably been a bit too tentative so far, coming in to such a big club. I think he's having to come to terms with the magnitude of both the club and the opportunity, but it takes time to actually start to think that big.

 

Scouts have a rule of thumb that if they're right 70% of the time they're doing well. Managers all make their mistakes, for example Ferguson with Veron, and Guardiola with Ibrahimovic, who didn't fulfil his potential there. All big managers make big mistakes because they're in big jobs.

 

CH: It's difficult to know whether that's always a failing of scouting or a failure to use them properly...

 

 

"SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN, HEAD OF INTERNATIONAL SCOUTS AT CHELSEA, SAYS THE CLUB CAN PAY £50M FOR A PLAYER, BUT THEY WON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT UNTIL HE WALKS IN THE DOOR."

 

MC: Yes, it's a double-edged process - you have the raw material but you have to work with it. One of the fundamental weaknesses of the current recruitment system is the lack of due diligence. God forbid, if you or I went for a job in the civil service, we would be psychometrically tested to within an inch of our lives. If a footballer gets bought for £50m... in the book, Scott McLaughlin, head of international scouts at Chelsea, says if they pay that much for a player, they don't know what they've got until he walks through the door. What's his basic motivation? Money? Glory? Ego?

 

Some of the academies now are psychometrically testing their kids, but when you're involved at that level, it has to be much more sophisticated to find out what you've got when the person comes through the door. The system doesn't allow you to find out that about the player because he's somebody elses property until he's signed, by which time he's someone elses player. That's where the attention to detail can work for Moyes.

 

There might have been a voice in Moyes head saying "I've only been here two months" when the window ended, but if you want to look at how a David Moyes team would evolve, you have to reserve your judgement until after next summer's window. If he's still a ditherer, missing out on key players, and going through the pantomime of the last window, that's when criticism will be valid. I don't think it will be at the moment.

 

CH: You've talked about the more delegated and democratic process - when Moyes came into the club, some people he tried to keep on like Rene Meulensteen, and had to come in with his own men. Since then he's gone further and brought in more scouts. Has it been easier for him to bring in his own men given that he delegated so much?

 

MC: Well, it's different with the magnitude of United, but that happens at every club. The new manager comes in and new staff come in. I have to say, I was surprised that Meulensteen left, because I respect his stature. His influence was not limited to the first team - he set the coaching structure and philosophies of the football club, right down to the under-9s and up to the first team. He had a great breadth of knowledge. Moyes suggested he run the academy, and he thought he'd gone beyond that. I think he'd have been valuable for a season, to be honest.

 

I can, however, see the logic of bringing in someone whose qualities and knowledge he relied upon at Everton. I can see the logic of Phil Neville coming in, who has respect and knows the United culture. I can see the logic with Giggs - there's a generational shift there, too. Managers are creatures of habit and they want people around them that they can trust, who have that loyalty to the manager.

 

CH: Bobby Robson advised managers to always go alone when moving to a big club. It was a surprise to see Rene go. Then there were people like Mike Phelan, who everybody expected to leave...

 

MC: Yes, that was obvious, but Meulensteen was the key influence. But David Moyes gets out on the training pitch, so that might be where he feels, "I'm out there in the wind and the rain", and sees that as part of his job. You can make players better, no matter how good they think they are.

 

The inheritance wasn't as good as people thought. Look at Rio Ferdinand and his recent performances - he's 35, Evra's 32. There might have been some clumsiness about, for instance, Leighton Baines. If he really wanted them he should've given them the Godfather offer - it's interesting, if you look at Evra's personality, he probably wouldn't be enamoured with what's going on. Buttner... well...

 

CH: I think the less said there the better.

 

MC: Yes. The thing is, there's always going to be teething problems. I don't think Moyes is very good in front of the cameras. If you get him one on one... some of us had dinner with him at the World Cup in South Africa, and he was fantastic. Funny, incisive, intelligent... occasionally the glint came into the eye when he disagreed with you, but you knew he was a proper football man. I think he's got more about him than Mourinho, personally.. although I might be proved horribly wrong with that!

 

To sum it up, he needss time to grow into the role, and he'd probably accept that he was a little bit overawed, and needs 18 months to be himself. He needs to have faith in himself too. He's gone into the job. A job which he and a million other people coveted. He's got it, and it's absurd to think that he's being judged on six weeks.

 

United have been the crisis club for a week or two, Man City will get a massive kicking after last night. They'll be the crisis club for a couple of days, and then someone else will be. There's a cheapening of the culture - I was at Chelsea-Spurs, and I couldn't believe the narrative, like two girls squabbling in the playground, even though there were two potential champions playing. I'm sure that sort of superficiality gets right up David Moyes' nose because he's a serious football man. He's not good in front of the cameras, and better with the print hacks.

 

CH: One of the things Ferguson was best at was that he would know exactly what headline would be used, but Moyes doesn't seem used to that level of scrutiny. He's come out with some bizarre things lately.

 

MC: It's a learning process. Like saying they wont' win the champions league - you don't say that at United, you just don't. His report card would probably be about a C+ at the moment. He has made some mistakes. But to a degree, if you have that long-term view, you probably accept that, because who hasn't gone into a new job and made a few screw-ups? It takes time to grow into things. If he was infallible from the start, where do you go from there?

 

'The Nowhere Men' by Michael Calvin (Century, £14.99) is a fascinating book which gives an insight into the world of scouting in modern football. You can buy it here.

 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Surely today spells the end for A.Young at least

 

Nani still got some work to do to ensure Valencia touches bench

 

Beg we just sell Kagawa back, we dont deserve him man

 

Could have sold have Rooney made 30 mill and freed up 200k a week in wages

 

Just dont get it

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Following a player from the youth to reserves to the first team >>>>

 

Still got Lingard, Will Keane and Larnell Cole who I see no reason why they cannot become squad players at least if they keep training hard and improving and then Powell

 

This what I mean about giving young players a chance, obviously its common sense, but if he didnt start today he wouldnt have scored two wonderful goals

 

Beg we swap Rooney for Pogba and give them 5 mill 

 

/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfyUS-HR15w

[Mame Biram Diouf]

--------------RVP--------------

--Adnan-----Kagawa-----Nani---

-----------Pogba--Carrick---------

 

 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs1Gqkt17kU

[Agony]

f*ck Rooney

 

So today during the match a guy puts up a status basically saying Why is Moyes starting Cleverley and Januzaj over Kagawa?

 

His friend jumps in saying WTF is Cleverley, Nani and Januzaj doing starting ahead of Kagawa

 

I tried to remind them that Rooney is the one that is starting over Kagawa, Kagawa isn't a winger or a cm and his best position is a #10 which is where Rooney is playing and Rooney being on the pitch is a disadvantage to United and I get replies like this...

 

It's mad how people who haven't watched BVB half as much as I have seeing that I support them as have done for well over a decade. Can talk about where one of my players best position is. You can play RVP & Rooney up top and Kagawa behind them both. Rooney will drop deep into the hole as he always likes to. And when he does , he'll have Kagawa to partner with which is an advantage to Man United. Just like Kagawa and Gotze used to operate. The young winger has done well today and has proved he's one to be considered ahead of the likes of Nani or Young on the wing. However Cleverly hasn't showed why it should be him ahead of Kagawa as an attacking midfield player to help arm RVP & Rooney. Reason being that he's just not better than Kagawa nor is Anderson nor is Fellaini. So why do they get picked ahead of a proven winner like Kagawa is beyond me and cannot be defended by anyone who really watches football. F.F.S 

 

 Rooney is a disadvantage ? You want an inferior player like Cleverly ahead of ROONEY ? I'm not so sure where you're coming from brov. Not so sure at all.

 

The guy wants to see Rooney and RVP upfront with Kagawa partnering Carrick in central midfield...

 

 

 

 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

f*ck Rooney

 

 

 

 

 

lol fam

 

if it wasnt for vip2 I would probably think I was going insane with this rooney out/dropped talk

 

its like nobody else sees it

 

times these guys almost have me sitting there thinking how can so many people believe something so strongly maybe I am wrong

 

''rooney scored the most goals this season''

 

''you know more than ferguson yeah?''

 

''Kagawa isnt a striker he doesnt score goals''

 

''rooney sprays them long balls like scholes''

 

''rooney tries hard, kagawa is lazy''

 

''you have never even seen kagawa play before man utd signed him alie''

 

''just play kagawa left wing and rooney no10''

 

''what man utd should drop rooney and play kagawa instead ye? :.''

 

That is just of my head

 

Might have to jump on ice wave and just pretend I dont even watch football, I cant deal

[Agony]

--------------RVP--------------

--Adnan-----Kagawa-----Nani---

-----------Pogba--Carrick---------

 

 

 

Was talking about this exact lineup to my friend earlier when he was asking how did Fergie let Pogba go?

 

The football would've been too much. Could've cleaned up on over 3.5 bets every week.

[Agony]

During the transfer window I said we should sell Rooney and had a guy showing me highlight videos with Rooney wearing a number 8 shirt

 

These man are still living in the past 

 

 

[Thizz]

>>>> Facebook football talk is THE worst

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

Deffo the look of a man caught piping his managers daughter

 

 

[Agony]

The Football Front @ReviewFootball 7h

Tom Cleverley v Sunderland: 58 passes, 95% pass accuracy, 2 key passes and 8 tackles won (100% tackle success). (via @Squawka )

 

 

Squawka Football @Squawka 8h

Adnan Januzaj completed 5 take-ons in the 1st half vs Sunderland, more than Ashley Young has managed in 4 EPL outings this season (3). #MUFC

 

R.I.P. Young 

[Lieutenant]

Lol spud agony and bane.

One of my boys is a dumb Rooney fanboy. It's actually put a strain on our relationship

I sent him the article agony posted about Rooney last week...

Here's some of the convo...(his replies in white)

He then goes onto mention Rooney shouldn't be compared to mata, ozil et al as he's a striker and they're not. Says Rooney has great stats and sends me this..

I laugh and ask him what team would he of played v shaktar... He sends me this...

You know the reply he got....

"Lol kl kl"

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

Real life tears at that team/formation

 

Dying

 

 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

On a similar note

 

One of my guys, he is one of them defensive ones

 

So we are talking about managers implementing their philosophy and methods and how long it takes them to show sings of it being implemented

 

Me: What is Moyes known for then tactic wise?

Him : He has only been manager for couple months

Me: So has Martinez at Everton and look how they are playing...

Him: Ye but Moyes didnt have time to do that at Everton

Me: He had about 12 years and nobody can really associate him with an ideology...

Him: Ye but Martinez didnt have one at Wigan, they was just counter attacking and relying on luck, thats why they got relegated

Me: They were a passing team, and he started of the revolution at Swansea....

Him: What you talking about bruv, Brendan got them into the PL and playing good football

Me: kl