Americans fire shots at NHS

[Thun]

Cancer survival rates in Britain among the wost in EuropeBy Daniel MartinLast updated at 7:58 AM on 24th March 2009Britain has the worst cancer survival record in Western Europe - and the figures are much worse than previously thought.Despite Health Service funding tripling under Labour, survival rates are on a par with Poland and the Czech Republic, even though they spend two-thirds less on cancer.A damning league table shows that Britain is 16th out of 19 countries surveyed. Patients in some European countries are 15 per cent more likely to be alive five years after diagnosis.The figures come from the hugely respected Eurocare-4 study, which compared the five-year survival rates of 2.7million adult patients up to 2004.Provisional results released in 2007 showed Britain was lagging behind the rest of Western Europe. But the final calculations, published today in the European Journal of Cancer, show the situation is even worse than feared.Just 41.4 per cent of men and 51.4 per cent of women found to have cancer survive longer than five years after diagnosis - down on the 42 per cent and 53 per cent figures previously reported.

Here you go wright i have done your research for youIts much worse

Why couldn't you just have done that straight off, but anyway your always the one going on about mainstream media sourcers but then used figures via a telegraph newspaperbut anyway i never disagreed with your argument just the source being used to back it up

I say mainstream media use propaganda sometimes but try find me saying that all mainstream media is falseDont be dumb

[Flojo]

Cancer survival rates in Britain among the wost in EuropeBy Daniel MartinLast updated at 7:58 AM on 24th March 2009Britain has the worst cancer survival record in Western Europe - and the figures are much worse than previously thought.Despite Health Service funding tripling under Labour, survival rates are on a par with Poland and the Czech Republic, even though they spend two-thirds less on cancer.A damning league table shows that Britain is 16th out of 19 countries surveyed. Patients in some European countries are 15 per cent more likely to be alive five years after diagnosis.The figures come from the hugely respected Eurocare-4 study, which compared the five-year survival rates of 2.7million adult patients up to 2004.Provisional results released in 2007 showed Britain was lagging behind the rest of Western Europe. But the final calculations, published today in the European Journal of Cancer, show the situation is even worse than feared.Just 41.4 per cent of men and 51.4 per cent of women found to have cancer survive longer than five years after diagnosis - down on the 42 per cent and 53 per cent figures previously reported.

Here you go wright i have done your research for youIts much worse

So do you think privatising the health care system in this country would help improve those figures?

[carpedeum]

alot of you guys in the uk also listen to british hype about US healthcare and think that you can only ever get treated if you use your mastercard without getting the full facts as well.i dont fully appreciate the US system, and it is true that the better the care cover the more expensive it is. so if you cant afford amazing cover you dont get much. the key thing though is that AT LEAST YOU HAVE CHOICE!! in the uk there is no choice, you want a hip replacment and you have to wait 7 months or longer, unless you are rich enough to go private. the NHS should work with the private sector and offer choice of medical insurance.my friend's father complained of heart issues to his GP, he was told he was fine and to take paracetamol pain killers. however, he also had private cover and happened to have his annual check up..he went into hospital for the tests and was told hat he coudlnt leave..in the end he had QUADRIPLE bypass heart surgery, he was told that he would have had a major stroke or worse any day. how the hell does a so called GP miss this? how many other people have died listening to their GPs. the nhs is great that its available to everyone, but rubbish at providing even HIgh standards of health care. the US and UK system should be adopted in a way what creates a balance. US heathcare compared the UK is miles ahead

[UN.Muzik]

c/s Carpe

[Frank Furta]

^^^ the gp's are indeed sh*t in this country, know of someone who got diagnosed with a stomach olcer by a doctor and then a while down the line found out it was stomach cancer. f*cked thing is the hospital also did not see this cancer, wasnt until they went private that they found out which turned out to be to late.

[Grafter]

yh i have to say im never satisfied with the way i get treated at my GP tbhalways tryin to fob me off

[carpedeum]

because of high medical costs, thats why they dont have stupid useless stealth taxes that are paid here.would you rather pay for proper healthcare and not have the tonnes of other craxy taxes you get taxed for JUST to fund a healthcare system that you have to wait 1-3hours to see a doctor or get treated at hospital...just so that 'everyone' can enjoy it.

[Black Ant]

yh i have to say im never satisfied with the way i get treated at my GP tbhalways tryin to fob me off

yeah same herei actually think i have cancer or something serious wrong with me

[KayGee]

C/S.It took over a year of complaints for them to diagnose my brother with cancer, being too late and leaving him with a 1 in a million chance. The system is f*cked.My mum got ill in New York with a brain hemorrhage, they treated her the same day and within 12 hours it was removed and she was beginning recovery. $300,000Doctors over here told us it was lucky to happen over in NY because it would of took them at least a week to decide treatment for her and she would of been dead by then. £-life

[Francis Coquelin]

C/S.It took over a year of complaints for them to diagnose my brother with cancer, being too late and leaving him with a 1 in a million chance. The system is f*cked.My mum got ill in New York with a brain hemorrhage, they treated her the same day and within 12 hours it was removed and she was beginning recovery. $300,000Doctors over here told us it was lucky to happen over in NY because it would of took them at least a week to decide treatment for her and she would of been dead by then. £-life

did your bro die?

[KayGee]

did your bro die?

Yea, never trust a doctor.

[UN.Muzik]

Case in point.Condolenses KayGee.

[Bacardi_Up]

I dont blame themLook at the shitty treatment you get over here now with the deteriorating NHS and you get them take out money from your pay automatically for shitty treatmentAllow being selected by age for ops and being told you got to be put on a list to have a major surgery but you may not make it by the time that comesGood on the yanks

Why do Americans label everything that might put people on equal footing as socialist deviance. The most closed minded scared people.Banning Darwin in schools and picketing Harry Potter films as promoting the practice of witchcraft, branding the films evil.Alot of Americans are pathetically stupid.

[Skola]

in this country the poor people arent so excluded from healthcare

[E.A.S.E]

I dont blame themLook at the shitty treatment you get over here now with the deteriorating NHS and you get them take out money from your pay automatically for shitty treatmentAllow being selected by age for ops and being told you got to be put on a list to have a major surgery but you may not make it by the time that comesGood on the yanks

C/SWhen my dad had a heart attack he was told he would have to wait 2 years under the NHS for his bypass operation, his company MSR (Oil rigs) told him any problems with the NHS use your private health care, Under the private health care the very next day he was in getting his operation by the very same doctors who would have been doing it in 2 years.. Have mixed feelings about the way the NHS is, but private surgerys help generate more income to the NHS.

[Lucarelli]

HOW DARE THEY

[Angelo]

There's a lot of bullshit and terror stories in this thread about GP's and Doctors missing things which turn out to be dramatic.As the brother of a doctor, a lot of this sh*t gets distilled and explained properly, and it's utter crap the way it's portrayed in this country.Private healthcare in this country is rarely better than the NHS. Private healthcare doctors are there for money. Their insurance and GMC cover will protect them if they f*ck up.NHS Doctors have more often than not actively made the choice to work in the NHS. You will receive pretty much equal care in the majority of cases.For every case of a GP missing something, there is a case of a private consultant missing it too.And to clear up some confusion, a GP is not a Consultant.GP's are not supposed to be specialised. They have certain protocol which they follow for everyone who goes in. If there is reasonable suspicion that something may be wrong, they will refer you to a consultant who specialises in that particular area. GP's, far and large, are d*ckheads who are demotivated, overpayed, and arrogant. Basically, unless you go in through the emergency room, you wont get into a hospital unless a GP refers you.The NHS is a very good system. It's just managed incredibly badly, and suffers bad press, because whatever the situation, the grass will always be greener.And regarding the cancer treatment stats, is that indicative of bad care in hospitals, or is in indicative of the advancement of care available? There's a very big difference.America has big bucks to spend on this. Massive bucks. We have an NHS budget deficit.A 10% gap is the price you pay for having the convenience of a system that treats you regardless. If the government wanted to start charging, people would be up in arms. There's always people who know f*ck all that give their input without the facts, Americans in case.*Takes money from brother*

[VENOM]

NHS is good, but medical insurance is better to compensate the NHS if you can afford itand the NHS needs to be checking that you are a Legal resident, or have an assylum seeker ID before they treat youthe NHS is not just the National Health Service for the UK it is the commonwealth HS, the HS, and every dutty developing country out there who's citizens can get a UK visa, they get treated on a service they havent contributed to and make the already long waiting lists even longer.

[Guest Triple XXX]

typical of the rich to denigrate an idea that'll benefit everyone

[VENOM]

There's a lot of bullshit and terror stories in this thread about GP's and Doctors missing things which turn out to be dramatic.As the brother of a doctor, a lot of this sh*t gets distilled and explained properly, and it's utter crap the way it's portrayed in this country.Private healthcare in this country is rarely better than the NHS. Private healthcare doctors are there for money. Their insurance and GMC cover will protect them if they f*ck up.NHS Doctors have more often than not actively made the choice to work in the NHS. You will receive pretty much equal care in the majority of cases.For every case of a GP missing something, there is a case of a private consultant missing it too.And to clear up some confusion, a GP is not a Consultant.GP's are not supposed to be specialised. They have certain protocol which they follow for everyone who goes in. If there is reasonable suspicion that something may be wrong, they will refer you to a consultant who specialises in that particular area. GP's, far and large, are d*ckheads who are demotivated, overpayed, and arrogant. Basically, unless you go in through the emergency room, you wont get into a hospital unless a GP refers you.The NHS is a very good system. It's just managed incredibly badly, and suffers bad press, because whatever the situation, the grass will always be greener.And regarding the cancer treatment stats, is that indicative of bad care in hospitals, or is in indicative of the advancement of care available? There's a very big difference.America has big bucks to spend on this. Massive bucks. We have an NHS budget deficit.A 10% gap is the price you pay for having the convenience of a system that treats you regardless. If the government wanted to start charging, people would be up in arms. There's always people who know f*ck all that give their input without the facts, Americans in case.*Takes money from brother*

the NHS is a good system but its a socialist system, that tries to operate like a capitalist system. it is not only managed badly it can no longer properly fulfill the aims for all the people. the UK population has exploded since it started. if a system is managed badly then its a bad system. GPs in this country are very bad, not that they do not have the right skills to diagnose and treat, but they are lazy and there is alot of redtap involved.still these brehs take home more than MPs and most other people..so they can always leave their job if they feel overworked.

[Captain Planet]

I dont blame themLook at the shitty treatment you get over here now with the deteriorating NHS and you get them take out money from your pay automatically for shitty treatmentAllow being selected by age for ops and being told you got to be put on a list to have a major surgery but you may not make it by the time that comesGood on the yanks

[Thun]

Dont be pissed about the truthWe can all agree then that the NHS is deterioratingThere are many good people trying to do there best but overall it is becoming terrible

[Dubby]

Thread has angered me still. I hate these stupid American politicians, how can they be against a system that will help so many people in their country? I won't lie, the NHS is flawed, but some people can't afford private medical care. It's not like if the NHS were to be got rid of.... half our taxes would be cut, would it?Through experience of my family I've seen how British health care can be crap, as my aunt was diagnosed terminally ill a few months back, but she has since gone to Germany, been re-diagnosed, had surgery, and is on her way back to being well. Now this is a perfect example of how our system is flawed, but read this article and it shows that our system can sometimes be better http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/apr/18/publicvoices3 now I'm fully aware the article is from '02 but that doesn't mean that the system has gotten better than it was.

[Grafter]

from what ive read i like the sound of the Cuban health care system