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TF S4DK
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League tells us a different one bro. 2 Manchester United 25 58 3 Tottenham Hotspur 25 53 4 Arsenal 25 43

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WEST HAM co-owner David Sullivan has warned Newcastle that ace striker Demba Ba could leave for £7million — and they might get just £3m.

Sullivan believes the former Hammers hotshot will also pocket HALF of anything the Toon get over that £7m fee.

Newcastle chiefs refuse to admit if the 17-goal ace is allowed to quit St James' Park on the cheap.

But Sullivan, who let Ba go for nothing last summer after signing him for around £500,000 in January 2011, said: "I'm told he's got a £7m get-out clause at Newcastle and he gets half the money over that.

"They keep denying it but you'll see in the summer he will leave — or he'll get a monstrous rise to stay there.

"So if they sell him for £7m, they'll only net about £3m because they paid his agent £2m to get him out of here.

"Getting £3m is not bad but for a player of his quality, it's not fantastic."

Ba quit Hammers after they were relegated last season thanks to a clause in his contract when he moved from German's Hoffenheim to East London.

And Sullivan admitted it was one of the worst mistakes he has ever made.

He added: "It's one of those mistakes that happen but it's probably one of the worst I have ever made in my life.

"It just didn't enter our heads. It didn't enter anybody's head that he'd score enough goals that we'd want to give him £40,000 a week and his old club £15,000-20,000 an appearance and we'd still be relegated.

"In reality, that's exactly what happened. The agent just threw it in at the last minute.

"The agent said 'Obviously, if his salary is cut by 50 per cent, you've got to let him walk'. We thought 'OK, if we get relegated, do we really want a £40,000-a-week striker in the Championship?'.

"Well, we would because he was devastating. If he was with us now and his knee had held up — because remember, he did have a very bad knee — I think we'd be 15 points clear.

"You live and you learn."

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Torres Has Just Found True Level

Fernando Torres has been rubbish for Chelsea for over a year now. He was also pretty rubbish during the last few months of his time at Liverpool. That, coupled with his sulky, better-than-you attitude he was beginning to display towards his teammates, probably made it easy for Liverpool to decide to cash in on him.

Everyone has been going on and on about how all he needs are a couple of goals to kick-start a scoring spree. However, all evidence suggests that nothing of that sort is ever going to happen. He was, at best, pretty decent while at Atletico (which is why no-one else took a gamble on him). He had two great seasons at Liverpool (33 goals in 46 games and 22 goals in 32 games), sandwiched between one good season (17 goals in 38 games). His final season saw 9 goals in 26 games, an almost 1 goal in 3 games strike rate mirrored by his last two seasons at Atletico (13 goals in 40 games and 15 goals in 40 games respectively).

The question of the day is - When does a blip become the norm, and when does the so-called norm become a blip instead? It seems his ratio went from being one goal in three games while at Atletico to being one goal in 1.6 games for three seasons at Liverpool, and then went back to being one goal in three games again. At his present rate of five goals in 47 games for Chelsea, he has regressed to a ratio of one in nine. This is not even taking into consideration his woeful form for Spain. Surely it's about time Vicente Del Bosque dumped him out of the squad already. Roberto Soldado, Fernando Llorente and Alvaro Negredo must be kicking themselves wondering what else they need to do to get ahead of Torres in the pecking order, especially with David Villa most likely to miss the Euros due to injury.

After his time at Newcastle, nobody in their right mind thought Michael Owen was going to get back to being the Michael Owen of old (except perhaps Michael Owen himself!). The same principle should apply here too. Basically, instead of thinking of Fernando Torres as a wonderful striker suffering a dip in form, it's time we thought of him as a decent striker who had a couple of great seasons, then promptly went back to being an irrelevance. Kind of like a Spanish Marcus Stewart.

Sanjit (the same theory could apply to Arsene Wenger too)

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That high line of Chelsea is going to be a big problem against the best counter attacking team in Europe.

Lavezzi(too good way too good of a footballer) and Maggio(2nd best wing back in world football after Dani Alves)are key

Cavani's odds look too good to pass up.

Hamsik The Slovak Lampard.

Mazzari banned for both legs it's a huge loss for Napoli

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CSKA vs Real

Should be end to end if Honda starts and with Love gone back to Brazil a lot will depend on Doumbia especially with Necid still injured but they have Musa who is so quick.

Ignashevich has to be the only average defender with great footballing ability I know of.

We should really take CSKA to the cleaners home and away but the conditions are not great in Russia so a narrow lead will do.

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Torres Has Just Found True Level

Fernando Torres has been rubbish for Chelsea for over a year now. He was also pretty rubbish during the last few months of his time at Liverpool. That, coupled with his sulky, better-than-you attitude he was beginning to display towards his teammates, probably made it easy for Liverpool to decide to cash in on him.

Everyone has been going on and on about how all he needs are a couple of goals to kick-start a scoring spree. However, all evidence suggests that nothing of that sort is ever going to happen. He was, at best, pretty decent while at Atletico (which is why no-one else took a gamble on him). He had two great seasons at Liverpool (33 goals in 46 games and 22 goals in 32 games), sandwiched between one good season (17 goals in 38 games). His final season saw 9 goals in 26 games, an almost 1 goal in 3 games strike rate mirrored by his last two seasons at Atletico (13 goals in 40 games and 15 goals in 40 games respectively).

The question of the day is - When does a blip become the norm, and when does the so-called norm become a blip instead? It seems his ratio went from being one goal in three games while at Atletico to being one goal in 1.6 games for three seasons at Liverpool, and then went back to being one goal in three games again. At his present rate of five goals in 47 games for Chelsea, he has regressed to a ratio of one in nine. This is not even taking into consideration his woeful form for Spain. Surely it's about time Vicente Del Bosque dumped him out of the squad already. Roberto Soldado, Fernando Llorente and Alvaro Negredo must be kicking themselves wondering what else they need to do to get ahead of Torres in the pecking order, especially with David Villa most likely to miss the Euros due to injury.

After his time at Newcastle, nobody in their right mind thought Michael Owen was going to get back to being the Michael Owen of old (except perhaps Michael Owen himself!). The same principle should apply here too. Basically, instead of thinking of Fernando Torres as a wonderful striker suffering a dip in form, it's time we thought of him as a decent striker who had a couple of great seasons, then promptly went back to being an irrelevance. Kind of like a Spanish Marcus Stewart.

Sanjit (the same theory could apply to Arsene Wenger too)

He isn't and wasn't ever that great a striker. Lacks basic technical skills that other top players have, and that's what allows them to get their form back after '6 games'. Torres was always based on pace and confidence, not really technique.

Just had 2 wonderful seasons at Liverpool where they set up to use him in the right way, and his luck/confidence/fitness was perfect. Since his mis-managed hamstring injuries in Benitez's last season, he's lost his burst of pace.

Like I just said his years at Liverpool (in particular the 1st season) are the exception and not the norm when you look at Torres' career, but because it happened at the same time as the height of SKY4 dominance in the CL, and he had a extremely marketable image, he was made out to be the best thing ever. Adebayor was just as good as him in 2007-08 but never received the media hype.

Time to move back to Valencia or Atletico in Spain, or somewhere like Inter/Napoli in Italy.

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Torres was a beast. When i saw him live he looked a class above other players on the pitch. Was a big game player scoring important goals (Euros) and everything was going well for him.

It's been 2 years now where's he hasn't done anything! i reckon he can still be a good striker, just under the right team. He'll never become that beast he was though. Maybe under Harry he can become good again seen as Harry has magic powers according to the media in helping players find their form (coudln't do it to half our squad though smh)

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