malia stabbing-is the place alright?

[Guest Diddybob]

Common was probably the only prominent rapper from Chicago in the 90's, and it was worse than it is now. The Chief Keefs of this world weren't born bad mate.

 

You've said this before but fact of the matter is people have cable, rappers from all parts of America could have been seen in the 90's.

 

Hip Hop didn't have that type of influence in the 80's when all these major American cities were rampant with crime, New York, Chicago, LA all had worse crime stats 20 years ago, go check it up if you don't believe me. Even the likes ofAzie Faison have said when they were growing up and first started selling drugs, they never looked up to rappers, they didn't see them as anything important or noteworthy. These guys didn't chose to partake in crime because they heard a Big Daddy Kane song, they chose to partake in it because they saw it as a way out of the poverty they were going through.

[Guest Diddybob]

Place like Washington DC didn't have a heavy Hip Hop culture, they listened to mostly go go music, yet Wayne Perry was still dropping bodies left right and centre.

[SLEAZE BALL]

fuck does homosexuality have to do with football?

 

why do gay footballers need to come out how is that relevant to their job?

 

and what does it have to do with black people FFS

[Benicio del Toney]

I hear what you are saying Diddybob but there are a number of factors which have to be taken into account.

 

Crime rates would be better now because policing is more sophisticated, forensics are on another level etc...

 

 

That doesn't prove that Hip Hop is not partly to blame for the mindset of the youth today.

 

What's to say crime wouldn't be even lower today without the negative aspects of Hip Hop?

 

 

Rich Porter had different influences, but I'm sure some of those were seeing the local drug dealers getting this money in, the glamour of that life.

 

Hip Hop has basically taken the glamour of this type of lifestyle from a local level and put it on a global stage and you don't think this has had a negative effect on the youth?

 

 

Not 1 bit?

[Horatio Caine]

but as a culture is hip hop music trying to speak to the youngers on a " iv bin there,dont do that" type of level or are they saying " i think im big meech,real niggas gettin money", knowing how influential hip hop is around the world.

 

for the exposure black music celebrities  are getting at the moment, rappers aint using it well.

[Benicio del Toney]

f*ck does homosexuality have to do with football?

 

why do gay footballers need to come out how is that relevant to their job?

 

and what does it have to do with black people FFS

 

 

It isn't relevant to the pitch but why should they be scared to proclaim their sexual orientation?

 

Why shouldn't they be able to bring their partners to end of year awards etc...

 

 

This is my point, the football environment makes them afraid to be themselves, they repress feelings which can be seen as not fitting in with that environment.

 

So is it possible a more hostile environment to sexuality can bring about more overt behaviour in regards to male traits.

[The Somalian]

there was a sky sports news special report on this. One american player came out as gay then retired. How did this convo get to gay ballers?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcK0nVFPO_g

[Supermalt]

if anything hip hop is influenced by whats happening 

 

just so u lot didn't miss this. c/s

 

\Its all a result of a people that have been generational poverty and subservience,

 

yes black people in the us and uk make up less than 10% of the black population worldwide but the conditions are too similar.

 

from aboriginal australians to the negritos in southeast asia. its fucking scary

[SLEAZE BALL]

im not even gonna get into a conversation about homosexuality with you tone

 

its so irrelevant as far as the discussion that is being had i need not address it

 

fact is

 

you lot are not addressing the CAUSE of the problem

 

you are addressing a SYMPTOM

 

think what you like but you will never fix a problem by addressing a symptom rather than the actual cause

[stacksbranning]

but as a culture is hip hop music trying to speak to the youngers on a " iv bin there,dont do that" type of level or are they saying " i think im big meech,real niggas gettin money", knowing how influential hip hop is around the world.

 

for the exposure black music celebrities  are getting at the moment, rappers aint using it well.

 

C/S This ,

Still don't understand how naive guys can be when they say rappers and hip hop aint apart of the problem .

These mofos are poison in the strongest form

[Afroman]

nothing to do with homosexuality or what happeneded to ancestors etc etc 

 

thats nonsense

 

its to do with the image and self image black males have 

 

always have to be hard, masculine, alphamales, 

 

never want to be seen a a pussyhole/disrescpected and when you are in a group it becomes 100 times worse due to deindividuation/peer pressure 

 

hiphop is partly to blame but the media as a whole is defo the culprit maybe even the high levels of testosterone not seen in other races who knows?

This is pretty much spot on.    

And the problem is with these sort of people is their prey/prime target are people who share the same ethos & mentality . Which simply equates to black on black.

[Horatio Caine]

its fair to say rappers wer influenced by the major drug kingpins/gansters from the 80s early 90s, some of the major rappers have there names,but whats influencing todays generation?rappers....... if I took 10 kids off the street today im sure they know how to freestyle but cant even tell me der 9 times table.

 

hip hop used to be an art form now its seen as a quick hustle, the reason the younger generation see it as a quick hustle is because they think they can get that " new bugatti" if they start rapping, they think if they sell drugs they will be fine for the rest of there life, "heck ,Chief keef sold drugs, n look how he turned out, a young millionaire"

 

rappers need to be held responsible,simple

[Benicio del Toney]

im not even gonna get into a conversation about homosexuality with you tone

 

its so irrelevant as far as the discussion that is being had i need not address it

 

Maybe I'm alone on this but I do think it is relevant.

 

/

 

Look at the term "no homo" and how mainstream this became, it was ridiculous at 1 stage, shit people were saying before no homo.

 

Look at the madness when Lil Wayne kissed Baby, I saw 2 Arab men greet each other with a kiss last week, they weren't gay.

 

 

Black males have a fixation with sexuality and I don't think you can have a fixation with something without it contributing to your behaviour.

[JOHN DOE]

are u gay toney?

 

is jermaine beckford gay?

 

do u kno venom?

[Supermalt]

tone is taking that angle too far, wasn't relevant to begin with

 

edit: many parts of the world were u can die for being gay and the murder rate isn't even close

 

why arent they killing each other whilst trying to suppress this gay demon to prove their masculinity?

[Guest TRAGEDY]

This thread has turned Gay...

[Thizz]

Tony's defo had his back doors smashed in (nh)

[Benicio del Toney]

why arent they killing each other whilst trying to suppress this gay demon to prove their masculinity?

 

I'm not saying they are trying to prove their masculinity to suppress a gay demon.

 

I am saying they maybe trying to prove their masculinity partly because of the homophobic background they have been raised in.

 

 

A background which says x amount of things are considered gay, gays need fire etc...

 

Wouldn't it make sense for anybody raised in such an environment to behave in a way in which they could never be associated with the above things?

[Agony]

 

why do you think most security guys are black 

 

there was even an article in the guardian as to unemployment for black males is low but found high employment in security - thats because the stereotype of beiung hard/ strong is obv needed in that sector

The fact that you can go to the job centre and get put on 3 SIA courses(Door supervision, CCTV and Close Protection) for free might have something to do with it.

[Benicio del Toney]

Ok  check this, reaction formation.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation
 

A heterosexual individual who is fearful or hateful toward those who identify themselves as homosexual and bisexual may be seeking to counteract deep-seated and often untouched homosexual desires. A reaction formation is used to exaggerate heterosexual behavior outwardly, to relieve inward anxiety regarding homosexual desires.

 

I didn't mean it in the sense of homosexual desires, purely in what they have been exposed to.

 

But I don't know the mindset of angry individuals so that might be a part of it.

[Guest TRAGEDY]

Tony just make a Gay thread...

[Supermalt]

why arent they killing each other whilst trying to suppress this gay demon to prove their masculinity?

 

I'm not saying they are trying to prove their masculinity to suppress a gay demon.

 

I am saying they maybe trying to prove their masculinity partly because of the homophobic background they have been raised in.

 

 

A background which says x amount of things are considered gay, gays need fire etc...

 

Wouldn't it make sense for anybody raised in such an environment to behave in a way in which they could never be associated with the above things?

 

if raised in such an environment, yes that person would want to disassociate themselves completely from it

 

but i find it hard to believe they would act out and go the extra mile with violence

 

the United Arab Emirates murder rate is 0.8, one of the lowest in the entire world

 

being homo is a crime and you can get 1 month to life depending on the case, im sure this promoted through the media there

 

why is their behaviour different?

 

crime ultimately stems from economic status, culture plays a minor role

[Benicio del Toney]

Tony just make a Gay thread...

 

Been done before bro.