David Luiz

[O Fenomeno]

http://www.typicalcity.org/2015/02/08/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-vincent-kompany/

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[Fighting Weight]

http://www.typicalcity.org/2015/02/08/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-vincent-kompany/

 

Yeah, exactly....he consistently rushes out of the defence and gets caught out, exactly like I said...

 

 

 

In each of the above instances, Kompany steps up, dives in to a tackle and misses it –

 

I don't see the disagreement....infact I said this a couple pages back about him too

 

 

Kompany is an athletic aggressive stopper, best suited to playing alongside a more subtle sweeper able to cover, ala Demichelis

 

It's all about pairs that complement eachother and its possible they could make a good duo, but Luiz doesn't have the concentration to make up for Kompanys (and his own) rashness

 

Kompany is a rash defender

 

Luiz is a rash DM played at CB

 

 

Kompany is too rash and is error prone, but is overrated for being a hardman ala Terry (who is superior to Kompany but less athletic)

 

 

Kompany is not as good as he is made out to be, but he's not awful, he's just overrated, he is basically a more athletic Vidic

 

Flawed, but with a stable partner beside him he can form a bedrock defence 

 

His flaws and mistakes come from part of what makes him a defender - he is an aggresive stopper, it's his job to step out of the line early and nip the attack in the bud. This will occasionally land him in trouble, just like being a keeper thats v quick off the line ala Schmeichel will land you in trouble

 

You can't have two defenders who back off and sweep ala Demichelis / Carvalho / Ferdinand / Mertesacker, it invites too much pressure and you end up in your own box, you need one of these complimentary partnerships, and he plays the role pretty well, and most of his errors are germane to playing that role

 

 

I think you are attributing stuff to me I haven't said 

[Michel Kane]

You guys are so critical of defenders.

 

Which defenders do you guys actually rate?

 

I better not see anyone who didn't peak 2005 onwards, because our level analysis today is on another level to the analysis we would have had back then.

[O Fenomeno]

I cannot see a defender playing now anywhere near Lucio

[Michel Kane]

I cannot see a defender playing now anywhere near Lucio

 

What are the key qualities you look for in a top class CB?

[O Fenomeno]

I cannot see a defender playing now anywhere near Lucio

What are the key qualities you look for in a top class CB?

1 on 1

Marshalling

Anticipation

Positioning

Intelligence

Nobody currently playing as a CB has this attribute

[Michel Kane]

 

 

I cannot see a defender playing now anywhere near Lucio

What are the key qualities you look for in a top class CB?

1 on 1

Marshalling

Anticipation

Positioning

Intelligence

Nobody currently playing as a CB has this attribute

 

 

All of these attributes you mean?

 

I think Thiago Silva definitely has all of these attributes.

[i5_PRODUCER]

Best CB's for me

 

Silva

Godin

Jerome

Terry

 

Wanna put Ramos there but he's seeing red way before any of these man do and that is his weakness

[Fighting Weight]

 

I cannot see a defender playing now anywhere near Lucio

 

What are the key qualities you look for in a top class CB?

 

 

Concentration

-Positioning

-Marking

Anticipation

Decision Making

One on Ones

Communication 

Aggresion / Bravery

Strength

Aerial ability

 

But it's about the team as a unit, it's unlikely you get one player with every attribute, so ideally any given CB will only be as good as the man he is paired with

 

No matter how good a CB is he will still have his particular TRAITS

 

For example Rio Ferdinand in his prime...he will always perform the role of ball playing sweeper/covering defender, who prefers to back off, limit the angle and force the worst decision out of the attacker

 

You cannot  have a pairing of two CB's who do this, the team ends up being forced back too deep and you end up in your own box (this happened when Mertesacker was paired with Chambers/Monreal)

 

Hence, though seeming strange, when Koscielny (the proactive, agile defender who will nip out of the backline to win the ball early) was injured, it made more sense to pair Mertesacker with Debuchy, a natural right back who complimented his own attributes, than Chambers a *competant* centreback, who did not

 

So in answer I would look for the complimentary attributes of whichever CB I Have already

[O Fenomeno]

Mike you really like Thiago Silva a lot

You think he is the outstanding CB there is?

[Fighting Weight]

You guys are so critical of defenders.

 

I am a defender by trade

 

Despite this thread (i.e. in extreme circumstances) I don't really rate players in this manner

 

Just their suitability for a particular system

[Em Dott]

Yo Mike, you get my PM? Hate to ask the question in a topic but i have no idea if my pms are working. Haven't received replies to a couple i have sent recently.

[Michel Kane]

Yo Mike, you get my PM? Hate to ask the question in a topic but i have no idea if my pms are working. Haven't received replies to a couple i have sent recently.

 

Rah, lemme pree...

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Bump

[Heero Yuy]

His fitness had nothing to do with his shit performance

[Horatio Caine]

[Thizz]

Anyone would think he wasn't playing against the strongest front 3 in world football.

[Fresh]

[Thizz]

Listen you can say what you want but he played in 2 European cup finals for my team and won them both on 1 leg I won't hear a bad word about the fellar.

[Heero Yuy]

 

 

 

 

 

Megs on megs on megs

[Heero Yuy]

Guys would've MURDERED Kompany for those errors yanno.

Couldn't have said his name on here without a ghosting again.

To put the argument to bed tho

Kompany = Luiz

Shit as each other defensively

[Michel Kane]

None of them errors have anything to do with fitness

 

LMFAO.

[Tee]

tbf kompany didnt get raped like man did last night