The Islamic Caliphate

[Gambino]

There is nothing to choose. Practice what you preach and use google lol. It's just you trying to defend your Religion again and failing miserably.

[Gambino]

Is the bible supposed to be non violent now or something

 

Dunno. Was never shown anything in the New Testament relating to being violence. Ask one of the Christians of the Forum.

[The Infamous]

nah its a simple case of you not being familiar with your mother tongue and just being a stereotypical chav who doesn't know the difference between invasion and conquest. you got schooled again and chose to ignore facts while peddling sensationalist views

[Kuffir]

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

[The Infamous]

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

beyond the pale

[Gambino]

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

 

I mentioned the New Testament as wasn't that the one wrote after Christianity started.... Pretty sure the Old Testament was around before Jesus??

[Thun]

So you are Muslim but had no idea about Muhammeds conquest on Mecca. Surely you are shitting me?

like i said I am not a scholar

I have NOT completed the Quran as I can not speak arabic. I have read the english version but it was worded difficult

You clearly get some sort of kick out of people replying to you. I will let you and the few bigots on here Thun,Justin and Yuri c/s each other and stroke each others egos

I'm a biggot because I don't want unlimited immigration

You ain't even read your own holy book but want to preach it

One of them guys who supports Liverpool but never been to the city or a football match but wants to preach

[Gambino]

LOL He's not got to that part yet Thun. He must of started reading the book at Chapter 30 instead of the opening pages. Unless the Quran comes like Godfather 2 and shows Young Don Mo.

[The Infamous]

sigh here comes the racist brigade

[Kuffir]

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

I mentioned the New Testament as wasn't that the one wrote after Christianity started.... Pretty sure the Old Testament was around before Jesus??

Yea it was. You realise when using this line of argument you're basically admitting that christianity pre-Christ (it's not like abraham moses david etc were Muslims) was filled with savages barbarism and other things that dont fit with your black and white agenda right.

You think they include the old testament in today's printings for shits and giggles or ?

[Thun]

sigh here comes the racist brigade

Playing the race card now hey

When you ain't got a leg to stand on you want to use this term, that don't work anymore pal

[Gambino]

 

 

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

I mentioned the New Testament as wasn't that the one wrote after Christianity started.... Pretty sure the Old Testament was around before Jesus??

Yea it was. You realise when using this line of argument you're basically admitting that christianity pre-Christ (it's not like abraham moses david etc were Muslims) was filled with savages barbarism and other things that dont fit with your black and white agenda right.

You think they include the old testament in today's printings for shits and giggles or ?

 

I don't know what it's filled with mate. I'm open to hear anything, there isn't any limelight shed on it for some reason, might be because there is no Army in the name of Christianity bumming teenage boys and throwing them off a building in the name of that Religion, killing their own mothers in the name of that religion, torturing and raping women in the name of that religion, persecuting others in the name of that religion, beheading guys who went over there to help their own people in the name of that religion.

 

And you can tell me they are not real Muslims........ But go tell them that, because they are using Muhammed and his conquests and Caliphates as their inspiration.

[Kuffir]

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

I mentioned the New Testament as wasn't that the one wrote after Christianity started.... Pretty sure the Old Testament was around before Jesus??

Yea it was. You realise when using this line of argument you're basically admitting that christianity pre-Christ (it's not like abraham moses david etc were Muslims) was filled with savages barbarism and other things that dont fit with your black and white agenda right.

You think they include the old testament in today's printings for shits and giggles or ?

I don't know what it's filled with mate. I'm open to hear anything, there isn't any limelight shed on it for some reason, might be because there is no Army in the name of Christianity bumming teenage boys and throwing them off a building in the name of that Religion, killing their own mothers in the name of that religion, torturing and raping women in the name of that religion, persecuting others in the name of that religion, beheading guys who went over there to help their own people in the name of that religion.

And you can tell me they are not real Muslims........ But go tell them that, because they are using Muhammed and his conquests and Caliphates as their inspiration.

Say no more

[SLEAZE BALL]

I did... I found the Conquest of Mecca on Wikipedia from the Islam Portal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca

Did you even read that ?

Skimmed through it

You man are wasting time tryna debate with a guy that ain't read the wiki article he's using as a source?

Insanity

So you don't think the Quran is objectively a violent book? It doesnt describe muhammud beheading jews when they refused to convert to Islam? Or discusses the subordination of non believers to Muslims? Or glorify spreading Islam by force? Because that's what I read.

In b4 you have to read it in Arabic

If you're able to explain these things in a different way then I'm happy to listen. But the overall gist from what I have read of the Koran is an obsession/jealousy of Jews, disdain for "non believers" and general justification for violence as long as it's "for islam".

Objectively? Not particularly in comparison to other abrahamic faiths no.

It doesn't describe Jews being beheaded for not converting to Islam no.

It describes after the Qurayza were caught conspiring with the Meccans in battle when they were an allie of the Muslims an arbitrator chosen from within the ranks of a different tribe asked their elders whether they would like to be judged by Jewish law or Muslim law, they decided they would prefer to be judged under their own Jewish law and judgement was passed in accordance with that law - execution. 500+ Men were beheaded. L

Those who converted to Islam were not executed which is where the fallacy that they were executed for not converting to Islam comes from.

[The Infamous]

Oh the new testament I get you. So you ignore the parts of the bible you don't like/"weren't shown" the same way you focus on the parts of the quaran that back your agenda and Ray Charles everything else.

Tekkers are a madness

I mentioned the New Testament as wasn't that the one wrote after Christianity started.... Pretty sure the Old Testament was around before Jesus??

Yea it was. You realise when using this line of argument you're basically admitting that christianity pre-Christ (it's not like abraham moses david etc were Muslims) was filled with savages barbarism and other things that dont fit with your black and white agenda right.

You think they include the old testament in today's printings for shits and giggles or ?

I don't know what it's filled with mate. I'm open to hear anything, there isn't any limelight shed on it for some reason, might be because there is no Army in the name of Christianity bumming teenage boys and throwing them off a building in the name of that Religion, killing their own mothers in the name of that religion, torturing and raping women in the name of that religion, persecuting others in the name of that religion, beheading guys who went over there to help their own people in the name of that religion.

 

And you can tell me they are not real Muslims........ But go tell them that, because they are using Muhammed and his conquests and Caliphates as their inspiration.

all of this never happened. all of that is a sin

[Gambino]

Tell me what detail I need to go into Trap. Does it not answer the question I asked that left you lot stuttering to answer.

[SLEAZE BALL]

You lot

Come off it.

[Yuri]

I did... I found the Conquest of Mecca on Wikipedia from the Islam Portal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca

Did you even read that ?

Skimmed through it

You man are wasting time tryna debate with a guy that ain't read the wiki article he's using as a source?

Insanity

So you don't think the Quran is objectively a violent book? It doesnt describe muhammud beheading jews when they refused to convert to Islam? Or discusses the subordination of non believers to Muslims? Or glorify spreading Islam by force? Because that's what I read.

In b4 you have to read it in Arabic

If you're able to explain these things in a different way then I'm happy to listen. But the overall gist from what I have read of the Koran is an obsession/jealousy of Jews, disdain for "non believers" and general justification for violence as long as it's "for islam".

Objectively? Not particularly in comparison to other abrahamic faiths no.

It doesn't describe Jews being beheaded for not converting to Islam no.

It describes after the Qurayza were caught conspiring with the Meccans in battle when they were an allie of the Muslims an arbitrator chosen from within the ranks of a different tribe asked their elders whether they would like to be judged by Jewish law or Muslim law, they decided they would prefer to be judged under their own Jewish law and judgement was passed in accordance with that law - execution. 500+ Men were beheaded. L

Those who converted to Islam were not executed which is where the fallacy that they were executed for not converting to Islam comes from.

Thanks for the info

[SLEAZE BALL]

No problem

[Ulysses]

 

 

 

I did... I found the Conquest of Mecca on Wikipedia from the Islam Portal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca

Did you even read that ?

Skimmed through it

You man are wasting time tryna debate with a guy that ain't read the wiki article he's using as a source?

Insanity

So you don't think the Quran is objectively a violent book? It doesnt describe muhammud beheading jews when they refused to convert to Islam? Or discusses the subordination of non believers to Muslims? Or glorify spreading Islam by force? Because that's what I read.

In b4 you have to read it in Arabic

If you're able to explain these things in a different way then I'm happy to listen. But the overall gist from what I have read of the Koran is an obsession/jealousy of Jews, disdain for "non believers" and general justification for violence as long as it's "for islam".

Objectively? Not particularly in comparison to other abrahamic faiths no.

It doesn't describe Jews being beheaded for not converting to Islam no.

It describes after the Qurayza were caught conspiring with the Meccans in battle when they were an allie of the Muslims an arbitrator chosen from within the ranks of a different tribe asked their elders whether they would like to be judged by Jewish law or Muslim law, they decided they would prefer to be judged under their own Jewish law and judgement was passed in accordance with that law - execution. 500+ Men were beheaded. L

Those who converted to Islam were not executed which is where the fallacy that they were executed for not converting to Islam comes from.

 

 

How could actually write that with a straight face?

 

Mohammad possessed a sword called the cleaver of the vertebrae for goodness sake. Does any other religion have the theological equivalent of jihad? How was Islam spread by Mohammad and his immediate successors? I can tell you that all of Jesus' disciples died horrible deaths and were martyred. Does any other religion have controversies other whether suicide bombing is theologically justified? Why is apostasy regarded by many muslims and Islamic states as a capital offence? Why are the majority of the world's terrorists, terrorist groups, and attacks islamic in nature? Why do muslim countries have the greatest risk of state failure, and political violence? Why is Islam the only religion, in which the taking of sex slaves is theologically just fine? Why is it extremely difficult to be a non-muslim in muslim countries? Why do many muslims look forward to the day when the whole world is conquered for allah?

 

Genesis 16:11-12

 The angel of the Lord also said to her:

“You are now pregnant

    and you will give birth to a son.

You shall name him Ishmael,^[a]

    for the Lord has heard of your misery.

¹² He will be a wild donkey of a man;

    his hand will be against everyone

    and everyone’s hand against him,

and he will live in hostility

    toward^[b] all his brothers.”

 

 

"Ishmael is recognized as an important prophet and patriarch of Islam. Muslims believe that Ishmael was the firstborn of Abraham, born to him from his second wife Hagar. Ishmael is recognized by Muslims as the ancestor of several prominent Arab tribes and being the forefather of Muhammad.^[34] Muslims also believe that Muhammad was the descendant of Ishmael that would establish a great nation, as promised by God in the Old Testament"

 

[Young Bape]

 

Isis militant Ali Saqr al-Qasem publicly executes own mother in Raqqa after accusing her of 'apostasy'

Ali Saqr al-Qasem shot his mother Lena, 45, in the head with an assault rifle

 

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-militant-ali-saqr-al-qasem-publicly-executes-his-own-mother-in-raqqa-after-accusing-her-of-a6801811.html

 

 

 

So sad, his mum, even at an age of 45 got enlightened and broke free from Islam only to be killed by her own son for it.

 

 

Dude is mentally sick in the head he has such a sick illness that he doesn't even have a soul

[SLEAZE BALL]

I'm not going to share my opinion on politics in the Middle East as its neither here nor there at the end of the day we are likely to have two conflicting totally subjective views and that's all they are.

The rest of your questions can be answered by looking at the Bible OBJECTIVELY.

Anyone that's able to put their personal feelings aside will agree that ISIS could easily be using passages from the Bible as justification for what they do.

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:32-34 KJV

If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the Lord your God gives you to dwell in, saying,

Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods”’—which you have not known—

then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you,

you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock—with the edge of the sword.

And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again.

So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to your fathers,

because you have listened to the voice of the Lord your God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do what is right in the eyes of the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 13:12-18 KJV

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Numbers 31:15-18 KJV

[Grafter]

Lahi how can u be pretty sure jesus had slaves?

Reckless

[SLEAZE BALL]

It definitely is

Part of the problem when discussing things like this is you get people that don't know shit arguing with other people that don't know shit

[The Infamous]

Lahi how can u be pretty sure jesus had slaves?

Reckless

there was a lot of fabrications throw around

besides slaves were common at the time

hardly a wild statement