O Fenomeno Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 42 minutes ago, Zizouz said: Messi looking to lift the world cup (no cheerleading) Only thing he is lifting is the tears from his eyes when he bottles yet another tournament 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYDER. Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 He ain't winning shit unless he does a Lebron and picks his own team Higuain out , Dybala in. Dybala in the cut that's a scary sight 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 pmsl won't make a difference The guy has zero leadership qualities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 THE GOAT IS BACK! THE FARDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Leo>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heero Yuy Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 9 hours ago, Zizouz said: Messi looking to lift the world cup (no cheerleading) gonna come back on some return of the jedi flex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Them dreams there 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Somalian Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 I like Messi I was pissed when he retired, I know there was a massive campaign in Argentina to get him to reverse his decision but I believe if Portugal never lifted the Euros we would not of seen this U-Turn, Messi is salty IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Salty that CR did a Terry? More like he wouldn't be safe on the roads once he retuns back to Newell's Old Boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho'Case Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I didn't rate his decision to retire, so I'm glad he reversed it... I'm intrigued to see what mentality Messi plays with during the next 2 years and essentially how determined he is to succeed with Argentina. The adversity, scrutiny and devastating failure of recent events and tournaments should propel such a legend to even greater things and instigate an emphatic response to his critics. Messi is an extraordinary player with sublime natural ability and bewildering consistency. It's been a privilege to witness his career, despite struggling to reproduce the levels and influence of his club performances on the international stage when it mattered most. We live in a world where people are guilty of taking many things for granted, an inspirational Lionel Messi is certainly one of those, unfortunately. Hopefully Argentina can discover their very own Eder and Messi can complete his legacy to end any debate about his status among the greatest of all time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 They can find 100 Eders But if the captain lacks charisma and leadership skills to motivate one of the 100 Eders then there is no chance of winning just instead of going missing as per usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho'Case Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 You mean, they can find 100 Eders but as long as Higuain is missing 1v1s as per usual, there is no chance of winning. In all seriousness, you have a point about Messi's lack of charisma being a deficiency as captain - he's quiet, shy and introverted. Don't overlook the fact Tata was the manager, he's an atrocious coach who compounded the problems as opposed to alleviating them and providing solutions for the team. Sabella was a joke too. I see what you did there, haha. The irony is that while Cristiano managed to have that impact from the touch line and various intervals during the final, whenever he was on the pitch in the Euros, he primarily stifled, intimidated and discouraged his teammates. Portugal grew in stature as a team from the moment they reorganised when Cristiano was substituted and they elevated their game... I actually don't think Messi is a conventional natural leader, he relies on his performance to lead, inspire and rally the team. When that fails him (nobody will always play well or even contribute), he doesn't appear to have much to fall back on... An ideal captain would possess more than that - typical leadership and motivational skills and a greater ability to influence players socially/psychologically. The only time I recall that his mere presence made such a noticeable difference was when he came off the bench against PSG at the Camp Nou in the CL Quarter-finals 2nd leg in 2013. It's arguably too much pressure for Messi to captain his country and replicate the type of performances he delivers for Barcelona, at this stage of his career - Maradona was built for it, but very few are. I feel playing with Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Abidal, Alves, Busquests, Mascherano, Pique, Suarez, Neymar, etc., afforded Messi the type of support on the pitch and in the dressing room, that runs deeper than footballing ability and quality - these guys are different characters, personalities or leaders who unite contingents within a team, if not the entire collective. Anyway, wearing the armband has been tainted in some respects, to me it's awarded as if it signifies less and less these days - merely a show of who is recognised as the best player, as opposed to the best candidate - Hazard (Belgium), Messi (Argentina), Ronaldo (Portugal) come to mind. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Infamous Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 great post pos agree on leadership being overstated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Infamous said: great post pos agree on leadership being overstated. I swear he didn't say that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Sho Club level and International level are two different types of pressure. So Messi going missing in three finals is now Sabella y Tata's fault but when he was mocking in the group stages the coach didn't get credit at all. If Higuain and Kun are missing chances(same guys at club level score 30+ a season while Eder scores 3 a season) you encourage and tell them they are going to score but you need leadership and motivational skills for that. You can't give him all the praise only to defend him and excuse him from blame when he doesn't deliver when it really matters. Cristiano Ronaldo played a big part in that final the way he motaviated and kept on encouraging his team mates. I have seen new age International captains with zero leadership do nothing when things are not going their way. Examples Thiago Silva bottled it refused to take a pen against Chile in the 2nd round, the guy was so shook he was in tears. Neymar(one of the worst captains in modern times) left Chile 2015 to go Disneyland because he didn't want to support his team mates if he isn't playing due to his suspension. The fuckbwai said something what's the point of training when you can't play so he left the camp. As for Messi see Brazil 2014 during extra time instead of motivating his team mates he was walking around with his head down(looking at the floor like he was gettin screwed by some next mans) Cristiano Ronaldo they say he was cheerleading(look at the last seven words "leading") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Learnt it from our Tel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Infamous Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Drift said: I swear he didn't say that? I actually don't think Messi is a conventional natural leader, he relies on his performance to lead, inspire and rally the team. and he is a messi fan the shift of the forum opinion with ronaldo>messi lead by porchy is under scrutiny g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Guys should take back what they said about Terry. Classic goal post movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Cristiano Ronaldo played from the start wasn't wearing a suit He got injured by PL flavour of the moment. Without his goal and an assist they wouldn't be playing that final Instead of him hiding on the bench or looking at floor he was leading his country from the bench and the whole team responded Captain Charisma right there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYDER. Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, O Fenomeno said: Cristiano Ronaldo played from the start wasn't wearing a suit He got injured by PL flavour of the moment. Without his goal and an assist they wouldn't be playing that final Instead of him hiding on the bench or looking at floor he was leading his country from the bench and the whole team responded Captain Charisma right there he defo watched king james in game 7 in June like 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heero Yuy Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 neither Messi or Ronaldo are captain material. But if you're comparing both then Ronaldo is a much better choice. Messi seems way too introvert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizz Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 OMG forgot about some of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavant Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 He has TWINED a lot of grown men. Gard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN DOE Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Wavant said: He has TWINED a lot of grown men. Gard. i thought twined was an east thing man brought it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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He has TWINED a lot of grown men. Gard.
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i thought twined was an east thing
man brought it back
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