2017 Hot Summer

[Kuffir]

Just now, Grafter said:

Not disclaimers

Contradictions

You are thinking out loud it seems

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[PascalMoriarty]

43 minutes ago, Kuffir said:

The life choices he made figured in his getting killed, and the choices he made during this situation directly contributed to his getting killed, so you can't just say they're irrelevant because the police didn't do their job properly and that's the end of that. They're irrelevant to what the legal outcome of this case should be sure, but who's arguing against this anyway,?

 

See bro I think thats where we disagree, The life choices he made led him to the encounter with the police, but they weren't responsible for his death. I say this because there's an alternative to what the officer did, and thats to follow procedure. Do you not agree with that?

[Supermalt]

2 hours ago, Grafter said:

I've had stupid women say to me oh make sure u have a yout or u don't need to have the dad around an I have to tell dem off for it. I don't subscribe to that school of thought but I know my own life an others from single parent homes

 

Wow. Those women are finished.

[SLEAZE BALL]

Strong post VTEC

Noone saying that there aren't problems within the "black community"

Fact is they are a symptom of the problem rather than the problem itself

[Kuffir]

2 minutes ago, PascalMoriarty said:

See bro I think thats where we disagree, The life choices he made led him to the encounter with the police, but they weren't responsible for his death. I say this because there's an alternative to what the officer did, and thats to follow procedure. Do you not agree with that?

Yeah I agree with that. The police fucked up by not following procedure and this above all else their directly resulted in his death. 

Conversation doesn't have to to stop there though. TBH it depends what exactly we're talking about...

[Badman]

6 hours ago, PascalMoriarty said:

To those asking us to get our own house in order first, genuine question, how would we even begin to go about that? 

Would take a revolution for this to happen 

[Vtec]

7 hours ago, PascalMoriarty said:

To those asking us to get our own house in order first, genuine question, how would we even begin to go about that? 

Good start would be black people leaving christanity and islam, hebrew/jew israelites which are all greek in origin, leave them all alone. (any Abrahamic religion basically) spritual entrapment is a serious thing. As they invaded stole our shit and remixed into the above shits causing global grief for all.

But reality is EGO, nobody wants to admit being told they wrong, too much pride to admit weakness in a system specifcally designed against us. So many will defend it til the death. (West indian folks... try telling ya nan Jesus aint real... watch how you may get clapped round the jaw lol)

Some type of sparta 300 flex has to run, a consistent few to spark a change on a larger scale.

46 minutes ago, Badman said:

Would take a revolution for this to happen 

Yep, but a revolution and liberation of the mind. Im sure many of us have watched boondocks and the uncle rukus types... self hate, self loathing which manifests in many ways. Symptoms of trying to integrate where you are never going to be seen an equal is just a false fallacy.

But at the same they do not want you separated from them, aka if you know your Marcus Garvey's, Patrice Lumumba's, Black Panthers etc then SNM.

I've seen similar traits of a dependacy virus or parasite....

 

[Elementalism]

34 minutes ago, Badman said:

Would take a revolution for this to happen 

And this is the most nihilistic, politically emasculated generation we've had in years.

People will only fight a revolution for identity politics - where is the greater unity coming from? The single God we all believe in? Oh hold up, we're also living in the most secular part of the world..The little unity that Muslims have is being shaken and undermined because they are the only potential group that would realistically have the kind of zeal that cannot be contained and channelled. 

Let's look at the patterns of migration that have occurred over the past 30 years due to wars...Almost all of the places we've gone to war in have had mad drug and Mafia links:

Afghanistan - Nuff said.

Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia - Kosovan Liberation Army evolved into one of the most highly mobile paramilitary drug networks in Europe. Every Albanian was queuing up pretending to be Kosovan during that time.  'Now we're fucking with the Albos, they're like the Mexicans of Europe'. They were billed as 'plucky freedom fighters' and supported simply because they were down for a nationalist cause and would fight Serbs. That conflict left massive arms stockpiles which are still flying off shelves all across Europe for use by gangs and terrorist groups.

Syria/Turkey - The PYG (Peshmerga) are being hyped as the group you can legitimately go and join to fight ISIS in Syria. White guys from Europe and America are going to fight and die with a group that Turkey consider a terrorist organisation and that is linked internationally to drug trafficking. The Daily Mail and other papers are fawning over their female fighters and calling white British kids who die fighting for them heroes. How are dusty stateless Kurds funding a war against one of the better funded terrorist groups of our times? With drug money generated from the sale of heroin in Europe - specifically North London.
 

"Bosses get killed bosses get wacked/If you steal from the PKK you'd better get a strap" - Ultra V, circa 2001.

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All of these groups are tied through religion also when you check it. I'd wager that combined they're the number one 'plugs' in the UK. This is without mentioning home grown Asian criminality. Real talk where I grew up, it was the Asian man who after initially having minor issues with Albanians, helped to 'integrate' them. It's no surprise that the 'jail' Islam ting became so popular with young black men in the UK around the early 2000s - their plugs pray 5 times a day.

Black youth are the footsoldiers of these larger organised crime groups. As long as drug and gun links from the continent are running we are going to have a lot more hot summers. I hear guys bragging about having AKs in bushes yet you wonder why police are strapping up with G36s. 

 Black people are one of the few groups whose rebellious nature is something you can bet on. If you can bet on something, you can usually 'fix' a desired outcome.

[Vtec]

@Elementalism Real talk!

[Seydou]

Mental slavery is the worst form of slavery

[SLEAZE BALL]

Most of that post is irrelevant in terms of this topic though tbh just element romanticising about this gang shit as usual

The killing were talking about isnt fuelled by organised crime at all hence why you have all these youts stabbing eachother not using the AK's he's going on about

And if these youts can get their foot up by selling drugs and beating the odds I don't see it as a problem as long as they use the foot up to start sonething legitimate

I do agree that this is the most nihilistic, politically emasculated generation we've had in years.

[Elementalism]

Muslims are a group whose rebellious nature is less predictable. Their agenda is always larger than whatever the political imperative that demands their participation is. They were financially independent due to the Muslim stance on interest, not to mention that we're dependent on oil from Muslim countries.

How many Black people in the UK do you know who are building homes back in their country of origin? How many Black trapstars are funding independence movements, or freedom struggles in other parts of the world?

Man get excited when they see Skepta building a house back in Nigeria - this should not be something exceptional. Almost every Pakistani kid I grew up with has a family yard back in Pak that is at least twice the size of their yards in the UK. This is why it kinda makes me sad when I see black guys fly out to Dubai to stunt - that culture does not rate us man at all.

All our leaders are dead...The closest Jamaicans had to a political cause came out of the greater political context of the Cold War, when it ended the Shower/Power thing lost it's meaning. 

This brings it back to the guy who started this topic, Skeng. He was meant the be one of the real deal Shower links in New Cross, them man were dehbout when Dudus was in town checking his sister. The man got killed in NW10 at a Barbershop, if that isn't predictable I don't know what is. I highly doubt that Shower in 2017, post-Dudus is run off 'p*ssy-packs' still. Even Shower is dependent on Albanians, Turks and Pakistanis. They have bought into Shower like they would any other franchise operation. All of the big 'Showerman' have turned Muslim real fast.

Personally as an educated yout, I could never have picked up a M16 and bust it for Shower knowing their connections to the CIA in Jamaica. I would have been on the first boat for brigadista training in Cuba and back to beat Chiney K's for Power. The socialist posses always seemed to have more of a developed view towards community, Spanglers, Black Roses - yet due to the ordering of the world, Power faded.  Ironically Skeng (from Tivoli) is named after one of the biggest Socialist dons from Jamaica - a guy who even Dudus sought refuge with.

Socialist soundsystems were talking about Nelson Mandela and when they spoke about 'freedom' everyone on that side of the fence had a deep understanding of the struggle.  Big up the Labourites, but the only freedom they fought for was the economic freedom for America (and China) to take over Jamaica. 

[Elementalism]

1 minute ago, Trap God said:

Most of that post is irrelevant in terms of this topic though tbh just element romanticising about this gang shit as usual

The killing were talking about isnt fuelled by organised crime at all hence why you have all these youts stabbing eachother not using the AK's he's going on about

And if these youts can get their foot up by selling drugs and beating the odds I don't see it as a problem as long as they use the foot up to start sonething legitimate

Bruv allow it.  You can't see causal links for several reasons:

1. Your own cognitive dissonance, you know what I'm saying is true and it's too close to your own experience. What you 'don't see [...] as a problem' externally, really comes from the fact that you justified that kind of  behaviour to yourself long ago. You're not considering it objectively.

2. You are a self-admitted sociopath, so you would struggle to understand how your agency could ever be taken away by a more organised group of sociopaths.

[ag.]

I used to read from the same hymn sheet as the majority in this thread, but at some point u have to see things for what they are regardless of groupthink.

I don't see high numbers of Indian on Indian gang shootings, or violent Chinese post code wars... there's also the elephant in the room of which *types* of black people dispropotionately make up stats of violent crime lol

shout out vtec tho coz most of what u write on here is sensible stuff but on this issue ur deflecting I think

 

[ag.]

1 minute ago, Elementalism said:

Bruv allow it.  You can't see causal links for several reasons:

1. Your own cognitive dissonance, you know what I'm saying is true and it's too close to your own experience. What you 'don't see [...] as a problem' externally, really comes from the fact that you justified that kind of  behaviour to yourself long ago. You're not considering it objectively.

2. You are a self-admitted sociopath, so you would struggle to understand how your agency could ever be taken away by a more organised group of sociopaths.

You do like to romanticise gang stuff tho. Ur clearly not a dumb guy and have ideas but you mix it in too much with gang research 

[Funkyskanker]

bare waffle man is talking about muslims albanians and shower posse ffs

[Elementalism]

Just now, ag. said:

You do like to romanticise gang stuff tho. Ur clearly not a dumb guy and have ideas but you mix it in too much with gang research 

I'm not into 'gang stuff' - it's politics.

I'm of Jamaican descent, my entire history is full of politics that gets conflated to 'gang stuff'. I've been interested in politics since I was a kid and I understand that there are micro and macro political scales. People often don't both to look at how the small scale politics impacts larger politics - and this is what I'm getting at here.

Big political shifts, immigration patterns, wars whatever have massive impacts on our the micro-political scale, at the community level.  Young Bape romanticises gangs, I don't reminisce about Trocadero and PDC. 

[Elementalism]

3 minutes ago, Funkyskanker said:

bare waffle man is talking about muslims albanians and shower posse ffs

It's waffle because you know fuck all about any of it, you muppet.

[Funkyskanker]

mate your talking about man on road converting to islam because their link is a muslim  

[SLEAZE BALL]

Which of the killings in this topic are relevant to anything you're saying?

You are an educated Bape on roids ffs

[Elementalism]

Just now, Funkyskanker said:

mate your talking about man on road converting to islam because their link is a muslim  

Your last two posts have been poorly attempted summaries of what I said.

You can go and research everything I've written and connect the dots for yourself or you can do the cognitive dissonance thing and join the d*ckheads on here who are gonna jump on my post. 

Unfortunately for you, I see the patterns - people are anti-intelligence on here. This is a pro-sheep forum.

[Vtec]

12 minutes ago, ag. said:

shout out vtec tho coz most of what u write on here is sensible stuff but on this issue ur deflecting I think

 

Nah I don't deflect bro, I try to give context. (no gambs)

Type of black person yeah? please entail what this type looks like... Last I checked. They view us all the same. (bigger lips? darker shade of black? nappy hair?, big muscles? height? wears more nike than the next man?)

Asian and far east asian history is not like ours for starters so their come up was a whole lot different. Though imperial powers that be still did their fuckery, for the most part ASIA as a whole retained cultural identity, language and spritual hegemony. But fell into the European capitalism/communism trap and is controlled this way instead.

Africa/black folks have been sliced and diced and remixed and divided and so far removed from source it's a hot mess. From both invaders, Europeans under Christianity and Asian invaders via Islam.

Chinese be running some serious goon sqauds. They just know unity code and move in silence they still retain hegemony brotherly code and cultural ties within a foreign environment.

[Elementalism]

1 minute ago, Vtec said:

Nah I don't deflect bro, I try to give context. (no gambs)

Type of black person yeah? please entail what this type looks like... Last I checked. They view us all the same. (bigger lips? darker shade of black? nappy hair?, big muscles? height? wears more nike than the next man?)

Asian and far east asian history is not like ours for starters so their come up was a whole lot different. Though imperial powers that be still did their fuckery, for the most part ASIA as a whole retained cultural identity, language and spritual hegemony. But fell into the European capitalism/communism trap and is controlled this way instead.

Africa/black folks have been sliced and diced and remixed and divided and so far removed from source it's a hot mess. From both invaders, Europeans under Christianity and Asian invaders via Islam.

Chinese be running some serious goon sqauds. They just know unity code and move in silence they still retain hegemony brotherly code and cultural ties within a foreign environment.

Vtec you seem to have understood what I was saying, I dunno why some people are unable to think contextually.

[Elementalism]

8 minutes ago, Vtec said:

Nah I don't deflect bro, I try to give context. (no gambs)

Type of black person yeah? please entail what this type looks like... Last I checked. They view us all the same. (bigger lips? darker shade of black? nappy hair?, big muscles? height? wears more nike than the next man?)

Asian and far east asian history is not like ours for starters so their come up was a whole lot different. Though imperial powers that be still did their fuckery, for the most part ASIA as a whole retained cultural identity, language and spritual hegemony. But fell into the European capitalism/communism trap and is controlled this way instead.

Africa/black folks have been sliced and diced and remixed and divided and so far removed from source it's a hot mess. From both invaders, Europeans under Christianity and Asian invaders via Islam.

Chinese be running some serious goon sqauds. They just know unity code and move in silence they still retain hegemony brotherly code and cultural ties within a foreign environment.

Nah actually fuck that

Man is talking about Chinese and Asians and Islam and Capitalism and Communism ffs 

[Vtec]

7 minutes ago, Elementalism said:

Vtec you seem to have understood what I was saying, I dunno why some people are unable to think contextually.

People looking for a simple explainations out of a complex situation. For them to dig further leads into uncomfortable truths which is danced away with projection and hot stepping facts.

/ Lol we don't have to agree on everything. @Elementalism lol