The Official Manchester United Thread

[Benicio del Toney]

and he bags freekicks

[O Fenomeno]

Cleverly needs a full season

Sigurdsson is nothing but a Lampard type of player(even though Lampard produced two beautiful passes lately)

Valencia/Nani are better than Aluko but as for Young I would rather have Aluko

[Benicio del Toney]

lol nah fam that's disrespect.

Sigurdsson is like a deeper lying Gudjohnsson, I still ain't worked out which 1 has more natural ability, he can never be Frank Lampard, even though I rate Frank you can never use Magic and Frank in the same sentence.

Siguardsson's a magician.

[O Fenomeno]

The guys offers nada apart from goals

Yet to see him actually play as a real 10

You know what come to think of it he reminds me of Kevin Nolan (role wise)

Both play off the front man/score goals/neither are creative

[Benicio del Toney]

Frank can't score a goal like this where he leaves the guy on his ass cos he don't have finesse.

Look at the 1st 2 goals from 34 secs.

You can tell by the way he receives the ball and his approach for the 1st that he is a flair player.

[Benicio del Toney]

The way he hits the ball reminds me of a right footed Recoba, he can hit either foot aswell.

[FANTA]

Sigurosson just highlights how fucked up our scouting and transfer policy has been as of late

the guy was doing exactly the same thing at Reading for 2 years, no-one sniffed

he then got a BIG move to Hoffenheim and did alright there, didn't get too much game time, but still the ability and potential was there

we could have easily swopped in and got him for a cut price but instead as always we wait for another Prem club to get him. Then we potentially pay over the odds because we're Manchester United and we end judging him by an inflated price tag that he'll probably never justify. smh wages to first team players, smh

United of late just piss me off and this summer will be like every other, promises and suggestion will be made to improve the squad and nothing will be done

just like last year when supposedly SAF was out to close the gap between us and Barca and we ended up signing Smalling, Jones, Young and De Gea - none of those signings addressed the issues at the heart of out pathetic demise, just more square pegs for round holes, smh

cant wait till the Glazers are fucked off

[Kompressor]

The Glazer's will only leave when the club is bled dry or a huge offer comes in.

No prizes for guessing which is more likely to happen first.

The club has a over priced valuation (but saying that, The Glazer's also paid/borrowed over the odds too, so who knows).

However in the next 10 years or so once new owners are in place we could be looking back at the Glazer era and saying they wern't too bad in comparison.

I just hope the next time a family of inbred looking cunts come through the door with promises of debts, ticket price hikes, ACS's, Limited transfer/wages funds and just plain rape and pillaging, our manager (who always puts the club first) doesn't welcome them with open arms due to a personal dispute he's having with a couple of Irish horse breeders, may I add a dispute he had no right what's so ever in having.

At least that Prick David Gill was openly against the takeover.

Mr Ferguson could've stopped it, but decided he wanted Magnier and McManus away from HIS club, which is another reason why he goes out of his way to praise the ginger cunts at every given occasion.

I know people who have always been very vocal in how the hated it when the stand names were changed to the generic North, East, South and West,

They now wish the United Road stand was still called the North stand because now it's named after the man who effectively sold us down the river of debt and scrimping and saving.

And when Roy Keane called Sir Alex out about him apparently always putting the club first, a lot of United fans turned on Keane, Clueless d*ckheads.

It's a shame that the greatest and mist decorated manager in the history if the game is such a c*nt. I had a sig on here a while back with the same sentiment, no matter how much he has excelled in the past few years (and he has) and no matter how much he excels in the next few, (and he will) he's still a despicable human being with no

Regard for anyone but himself and his own glorification.

[FANTA]

SAF's been pissing me off lately anyways

he's been playing the 'employee of the month' thing for far too long with the Glazers and their nonsense

Suggesting that City have single handedly distorted the transfer market

that there's 'no value' in the transfer market?

that our young players are 'brilliant' and will get a chance to play, only to turn around and not play them

saying Pogba has a bright future at the club and we want to keep him. He wants games, understandably so considering the amount of shit keeping him out of the side. SAF then plays him a couple times, not because he thinks he's 'ready' but just soo he stays at the club. Supposedly he's made his mind up that he wants out, thus he's never been seen in the first team squad again

saying Michael Owen still has a role to play

i remember reading somewhere that year in year out our profits rise, not to mention the money we get from sponsors, wont be long till we see our training cones up for sponsorship soon, but still we dont see any of that cash or warchest invested in the club. it just vanishes. and no questions are asked because we pay £16M for Ashley Young, smh

some people have their head in the sand when it comes to United just because we're always in and amongst in the Prem and Champions League, but sooner rather later the shit will hit the fan, then everyone will see how truly fucked we are

[Kompressor]

He has to be employe of the month, if he comes out and starts saying what he really thinks people will start questioning his actions and comments at the time of the takeover and ever since.

His half way down a obe way street, he has to carry on till the end, regardless if he knows he's going the wrong way or not.

[Michel Kane]

Fam. We are/were in a battle for the title with a team containing Aguero, Tevez, Yaya, Silva etc etc. Sometimes blooding in the youth is not always practical

At 3-0 up with 25 mins to go how can there be a more practical time?

It's just excuses and laziness, so next season we will have to over rely on Giggs and Scholes again.

This, just are looking it from a holisitic view

Been plenty of games we have been cruising or should have been cruising enough to bring them on so they can get confidence to play in more important games

Cuenca, Thiago, Pedro and them man would have never made it here

If Barcelona can blood in youngsters in a league with Real who are much stronger then Man City we should have no excuses

Cause Barca can keep over 70% of the ball and they have an alien that can score 70+ goals in a season and can save them with a hat-trick if anything goes wrong

Looool @ alien.

[Fresh]

He has to be employe of the month, if he comes out and starts saying what he really thinks people will start questioning his actions and comments at the time of the takeover and ever since.

His half way down a obe way street, he has to carry on till the end, regardless if he knows he's going the wrong way or not.

That's no excuse

[Kompressor]

self preservation is one of mans most natural instincts. Alex Ferguson is no different.

we see it as backing the Glazer's he see's it and it is him looking after number 1. the thing he has always and will always do,

[Benicio del Toney]

Ykno what, I can't even blame the Glazers.

Alex has had enough to build a good young team but he spends the best part of £60m on Young, Jones and De Gea.

He can't then say he can't compete in the transfer market, he just doesn't find value for money because he doesn't know how to pick a player who doesn't yet have a name.

We need to invest in the world's top scouts, if you look at it most of the great players that have come to our club since Alex has been there, most of that has had very little to do with Alex anyway.

Great man manager, shit eye for a player.

[Kompressor]

Jones and De Gea were brought in for decent fee's but relatively low wages.

Even Young as a regular international is on a relatively low wage, considering Nasri is on around 170k a week.

It's not the transfer fee's that are hands are tied on, it's the wages. When people start understanding that.......

The Sneijder deal didn't fall through coz we couldn't afford the fee, that was a piece of piss and agreed, it's the wages that were the sticking point, same with Nasri.

If you look at all our signings over the past 3/4 years how many of them are on wages of over 100k?

One of fee's arent a issue, it's long term comitments we can't afford.

On not blaming the Glazer's due to the debt we are forking out 40 million a year. That's a 30 million player, on 10 million a year, that would've paid the Sneijder fee and his wages every year. Plus what ever else we'd have in the way of spending.

Now couple that with how ever much has been taken out......

That kind of financial security would allow the manager to take big punts on players, some who will flop and some who will be massive successes,

I.E the period in which we signed RVN, Camel face and Veron.

But no, the club losing 40 million pounds every season isn't a problem at all.

That's the wikedest ting, we all laugh at Liverpool signing Carrol for 35 and probably spunking about 5 million a year on wages for him,

At least they can see where their money has gone, ours has gone to servicing some American Billionaire's debts.

I know which I'd rather have despite he's dodgy season.

[Kompressor]

By the way I wasn't proposing that we sign Andy Carrol or even Sneijder but merely just giving a nearly tangible example of what 40 million pounds a season in football looks like.

Hazard wouldn't even be that much,

Ozil was no where bear that much,

Nasri ditto, same with Modric.

But yet we pay that out to banks a season for the pleasure of Having Malcom Glazer as the owner,

The amount of money we've paid out in loan repayments is actually only less laughable than the fact due to interest and other things the debt still remains very high despite a decent chunk of our incomings going towards it each season.

[Benicio del Toney]

Jones and De Gea were brought in for decent fee's but relatively low wages.

Even Young as a regular international is on a relatively low wage, considering Nasri is on around 170k a week.

It's not the transfer fee's that are hands are tied on, it's the wages. When people start understanding that.......

Those near £20m fees are still alot of money.

Hoffenheim got Sigardsson for £5m I think it was 18 months back, wages would have been pittance.

We did well on the Hernandez purchase granted.

Those are the deals we should be doing, I ain't worried about the Nasri's or Sneider's tbh.

and giving Ashley Young 130k a week or whatever it is is bad business in my eyes, England International or not, there are youngsters with way better potential than him we can get for next to nothing, fee and wages.

[TF S4DK]

Would you not say tho that your current wage structure (and your neighbours play a part in this too) that you have agreed, is part of your problem when chasing a player?

For example say you agree to pay the 33m I think it will take to get Eden Hazard. Hazard agent's first task will be to find out what is going rate at your club, I think all agents do this tbh. So having someone like Nani on 170k (which is staggering btw to me), Rooney 250k, isn't that why you get Ashley Young asking for 130k a week? Even if Hazard gave word to United, he's still gonna want 150k.

Thats why when Ferguson was complaining about City being in the market I understand it but I also think the deals you have agreed with your own players play a role too.

Where as if Hazard was going Arsenal or Apurs he'd probably take 50-90k.

[Benicio del Toney]

I never even knew Nani was on that kind of money, that's ridiculous.

But yea, you're right, Alex let that happen.

Our name should be enough to entice certain players, we don't have to give Young 130k a week because what are his other options at the end of the day?

Man City would never come in for him and if he would rather go Liverpool than Man Utd then it's his career.

By giving in to certain guys demands we have created a long term problem for ourselves.

[O Fenomeno]

170k is too much

I think Nani's wages are 130k

[Kompressor]

In a romantic world the name Manchester United should be enough to entice players to sign, but in reality we're not living in the 90's anymore,

to sign quality you need to already posses quality to be honest, If United had turned round in the Rooney saga and done what i and many others wanted and told him where to go with his wage demands, it wouldve sent a message to prospective players that you know what,

yes is a great club with a glorious history but when it comes to the elite wages we simply wont pay them, this here on its on in the late 90's?early 00's wouldn't have been a problem, but in 2012 success isn't a given as much as it was for manchester United.

Players want 3 things generally, 1, to play football, 2, to win as much as possible, 3, to earn as much as possible, (this is not in order by the way.)

if we turn round and say to these players right Eden we can offer you number 1 of these things and possibly number 2. but for number 3 we cant help you,

he'll say, ok, i've head your offer now and now i will go and speak with The representitives from across the City.

City will turn round and say we'll offer you number 1, definitley number 3 and if anyone starts sniffing around you we'll beat their offer by 10 grand, and we'll spend what we have to deliver number 2,

if Your a young player with absolutely no preference between either United or City who are you going to sign for?

United have to at least appear to be willing to offer their big players top dollar or we'll have an Arsenal situation where after a while players look over at their mates at City who are earning double the money, playing in a team full of superstars and winning the league and going head to head with the marquee clubs for other stars and they'll want out.

The John Obi Mikel situation was a watershed,

Robben likewise.

the days where the name Manchester United could gazump other teams like when we signed Roy Keane are done mate,

Hazard doesn't want to come to a club where he can walk round the museum and see a glorious history, he wants to go somewhere to make history. right now, thats more likely to happen at a club like city, the fact they're willing to pay him probably 30% more than we are only increases their chances,

disclaimer, Hazard is only a example hopefully he values our history just like the fans do. but i wouldn't bet on it tbh.

Rooney was prepared to go to City, and the difference in stature historically between United and City is a lot clearer to him,

[Guest M12]

nani is on nowhere near 170k. thats complete ducktales. 100% guaranteed

[Guest M12]

the only players at united on more than 100k basic are rio & rooney. Im pretty sure even ash youngs 130k isnt 130k basic, it includes his signing on fee and a lot of other bonuses

[Kompressor]

tbh i have no idea what Nani's on, but whatever it is is irrelevent coz Rooney sets pace at OT, and players will judge their own value based on his wages, and city set pace in the premiership and players will start to judge their value based on what their players are earning.

Rooney wouldn't of been so confident in demanding what he did if them guys at city weren't on silly money,

[TF S4DK]

In a romantic world the name Manchester United should be enough to entice players to sign, but in reality we're not living in the 90's anymore,

to sign quality you need to already posses quality to be honest, If United had turned round in the Rooney saga and done what i and many others wanted and told him where to go with his wage demands, it wouldve sent a message to prospective players that you know what,

yes is a great club with a glorious history but when it comes to the elite wages we simply wont pay them, this here on its on in the late 90's?early 00's wouldn't have been a problem, but in 2012 success isn't a given as much as it was for manchester United.

Players want 3 things generally, 1, to play football, 2, to win as much as possible, 3, to earn as much as possible, (this is not in order by the way.)

if we turn round and say to these players right Eden we can offer you number 1 of these things and possibly number 2. but for number 3 we cant help you,

he'll say, ok, i've head your offer now and now i will go and speak with The representitives from across the City.

City will turn round and say we'll offer you number 1, definitley number 3 and if anyone starts sniffing around you we'll beat their offer by 10 grand, and we'll spend what we have to deliver number 2,

if Your a young player with absolutely no preference between either United or City who are you going to sign for?

United have to at least appear to be willing to offer their big players top dollar or we'll have an Arsenal situation where after a while players look over at their mates at City who are earning double the money, playing in a team full of superstars and winning the league and going head to head with the marquee clubs for other stars and they'll want out.

The John Obi Mikel situation was a watershed,

Robben likewise.

the days where the name Manchester United could gazump other teams like when we signed Roy Keane are done mate,

Hazard doesn't want to come to a club where he can walk round the museum and see a glorious history, he wants to go somewhere to make history. right now, thats more likely to happen at a club like city, the fact they're willing to pay him probably 30% more than we are only increases their chances,

disclaimer, Hazard is only a example hopefully he values our history just like the fans do. but i wouldn't bet on it tbh.

Rooney was prepared to go to City, and the difference in stature historically between United and City is a lot clearer to him,

I think Manchester United name should still be romantic enough and if people dont think it is then tbh they are selling the club short...

Until this season (which isn't even done yet) Man United could very justifably offer #2.