The Official Manchester United Thread

[Zizouz]

Van Gaal would sort all of that calm

He cares too much for youth

Ask

Van Der Sar

De Boer twins

Davids

Seedorf

Kluivert

Xavi

Valdes

Muller

He is ruthless and stubborn

He would having no problem alienating 3Hunna

Ask Rivaldo/Lucio/Luca Toni

Top 5 IMO

Pep

Del Bosque

Ancelotti

Klopp

Simeone

 

give it some time, you wont be saying this

[i5_PRODUCER]

Carlo is top 3 in the world. CV is impeccable. Man management 2nd to none

[O Fenomeno]

Carlo is top 3 in the world. CV is impeccable. Man management 2nd to none

Truss

I been a fan of his since Juve

[Kompressor]

To cut a long story short. Is Van Gaal in the top 10.

I don't think so. So why is the conversation/speculation going in that direction?

Earlier in the season when people were saying Real wouldn't put up with this I replied with Real wouldn't have put themselves in this position in the first place.

Quite frankly United should look to employ somebody on a level with Gill to do the chief exec thing. Dunno what David Dein or Kenyon are doing nowadays.

Then look to employ a manager befitting of the job.

That is not a slight on Moyes.

If I've got a Ferrari at home, one that by the way hasn't been fully serviced since 2005 and the local bullies force the wimpy kid into driving it and the wimpy kid crashes it. I don't look to chase down the wimpy kid I go after the bullies.

I've said it before, we're now meant to implicitly trust the same men who employed Moyes to find a replacement?

[Zizouz]

man you see games get away from him, he sometimes don't seem reactive enough during a game

 

think that the best managers have their philosophy but can also react to what's happening on the pitch quickly and - hopefully - effectively rather than waiting and hoping things change

 

take Barca PSG last season, he had them on the ropes and then Messi comes on and changes everything and he changes nothing, straight swaps with all his subs even though Barca bought on Song to add an extra body in midfield and the game peters out (iirc)

 

seen similar happen to him at Chelsea in the Champions League as well

 

aint doubting his credentials, just think Porchy will change his mind after a season or two with him at the helm

[O Fenomeno]

To cut a long story short. Is Van Gaal in the top 10.

I don't think so. So why is the conversation/speculation going in that direction?

Earlier in the season when people were saying Real wouldn't put up with this I replied with Real wouldn't have put themselves in this position in the first place.

Quite frankly United should look to employ somebody on a level with Gill to do the chief exec thing. Dunno what David Dein or Kenyon are doing nowadays.

Then look to employ a manager befitting of the job.

That is not a slight on Moyes.

If I've got a Ferrari at home, one that by the way hasn't been fully serviced since 2005 and the local bullies force the wimpy kid into driving it and the wimpy kid crashes it. I don't look to chase down the wimpy kid I go after the bullies.

I've said it before, we're now meant to implicitly trust the same men who employed Moyes to find a replacement?

Van Gaal isn't the top 10

Whats wrong with you?

[O Fenomeno]

man you see games get away from him, he sometimes don't seem reactive enough during a game

think that the best managers have their philosophy but can also react to what's happening on the pitch quickly and - hopefully - effectively rather than waiting and hoping things change

take Barca PSG last season, he had them on the ropes and then Messi comes on and changes everything and he changes nothing, straight swaps with all his subs even though Barca bought on Song to add an extra body in midfield and the game peters out (iirc)

seen similar happen to him at Chelsea in the Champions League as well

aint doubting his credentials, just think Porchy will change his mind after a season or two with him at the helm

Ancelotti isn't good at adapating from difficult moments eg turning games around when it's getting away from him

C/S about that

Actually

+1

The thing is

I won't get bored of him

He is a breathe of fresh air

Plays good football and great man management skills

Is very likeable

2010-2013 were dark times

[Zizouz]

definitely, Chelsea did him dirty

 

but we'll see if your tune changes when you're seeing a big big game slip away

[Kompressor]

To cut a long story short. Is Van Gaal in the top 10.I don't think so. So why is the conversation/speculation going in that direction?Earlier in the season when people were saying Real wouldn't put up with this I replied with Real wouldn't have put themselves in this position in the first place.Quite frankly United should look to employ somebody on a level with Gill to do the chief exec thing. Dunno what David Dein or Kenyon are doing nowadays.Then look to employ a manager befitting of the job.That is not a slight on Moyes.If I've got a Ferrari at home, one that by the way hasn't been fully serviced since 2005 and the local bullies force the wimpy kid into driving it and the wimpy kid crashes it. I don't look to chase down the wimpy kid I go after the bullies.I've said it before, we're now meant to implicitly trust the same men who employed Moyes to find a replacement?

Van Gaal isn't the top 10:/Whats wrong with you?

What's your top 10. What's the criteria?

[O Fenomeno]

I don't do top 10

Its too much

I stick to a Top 5

Put it this way only Mourinho is superior to Van Gaal in "The Best League In World"

[Kompressor]

fair enough.

[O Fenomeno]

When Sir Alex retired 

 

He was the 1st name what came into my head

 

He would command respect from the players,board,fans alike.

 

Van Gaal suffers no fools. His teams play beautiful football(even tho it's normally we will have to score more than you)

 

 

He preaches 4-3-3 and gives youth their chance 

 

 

Take Rivaldo for example 

 

Van Gaal wanted him to play left of a front three but Rivaldo wanted to play centrally so Van Gaal froze him out which led to Rivaldo eventually joining Milan

 

 

Van Gaal made Luca Toni and Lucio train with Bayern's youth team because they didn't and expect change so 3hunna would be in trouble

 

 

Best of all

 

Van Gaal hates the media

[LS]

This is why Levy wants Van Gaal and Van Gaal has already come out and said he's had meetings with Levy (no respect for Tim)

 

Focus on Young players

 

Big enough name to attract players alone

 

Has won everything,  none of this living off one trophy and a good league position.  Will demand respect and get 100% out of the players

 

Can install a philosophy in our team to play good football.

 

 

 

However, i can see some players pissed off with him

 

But if Utd came in for him, there would be no contest, he's going there.     That's why if Utd finish 5th and above us, Moyes gets another season

[Agony]

Van Gaal has the profile and the record but people shouldn't look at him as a saviour unless basic other sh*t at the club is sorted, I.E the widely reported "archaic Scouting, youth programme and player recruitment" which an Everton manager has been critical of also.

Moyes is chatting sh*t to buy himself more time. He's being critical of the quality of players in our youth and senior teams that have more medals than him.

With player recruitment it's not the scouts fault if they identify a player like Varane and Fergie chooses the prem proven Phil Jones over him for twice as much money and he ends up at Madrid.

Fergie’s blind loyalty towards an aging Giggs and Scholes is more to blame for us not signing a CM for so many years or a player like Pogba not getting a chance.

The basic sh*t that needs to get sorted is things like our philosophy, team selections and tactics which Van Gaal or any half decent manager would've done by now.

[Kompressor]

I agree that could be the case, 

 

But tbh the word from inside the club is that they have been impressed by the work he does in scouting and creating dossiers on players and analysis on their play.

 

Whether his buying himself time or not the point is he has a point.  

 

 

There are a number of different stories about how the scouting team have made some really odd statements about players in the past

Recruitment- we have fallen behind in this respect. Hopefully Mata is the start of a upturn in this regard. 

Youth policy- Non existent really in previous seasons. Players being sent on interesting loan deals that don't really benefit them. in the long run.  

 

 

when a club is dealing in terms of "value in the market" these things have to be 100% solid. 

Rafael and Hernandez are the exceptions and this season Januzaj has transferred his play from the reserves last season 

 

I'm not saying there should be a maverick unheard of signing every season or a revelation from the youth team each season. but if anyone thinks improvements can't be made in these areas i don't know anymore. 

[Kompressor]

Thats all well and good and you might well have a point. 

 

But, the point is Manchester United should've always been doing those things better!

 

People say Moyes has been overwhelmed by the pressure and status and having to manage a big club. 

He should have come in and been overwhelmed by the size of the operation in the field we're talking about too. the issue is that the reality is the complete opposite, he was underwhelmed by these things. coming from Everton. 

 

This shouldn't even be a cogent argument for him to bring up. but it is.  

[Gambino]

He would bring up anything that might give him some pull or excuse for why he's utterly shit as a manager.

[Kompressor]

The reason I've been holding fire on Moyes is because i believe a club of this size should give a manager enough rope to hang himself with. so when he is sacked there are absolutely no mitigating circumstances. 

 

I play devils advocate a lot on the issue as I believe if he is sacked he could actually turn round and raise some interesting questions about the club and the way things are and have been done. 

 

For example, If Moyes had got exactly what he wanted in the summer. and the majority of the players were playing well and performing. The only question marks would be about his management, approach and tactics.

 

Is he in over his head? Yes probably, will he have certain arguments to defend himself after/if he is sacked? Yes.

 

He should be put in a position where he is 100% to blame for his fate no if buts or maybe's.

 

there were problems at the club before he arrived that Fergie either couldn't or didn't want to sort for whatever reason. so we employ a manger who's won and done nothing  in the game to sort it? 

the recruitment of the Moyes was a signal of the short term future imo

 

discussed other names mainly to rule them out. 

what names, and what factors ruled them out? I take it Moyes had no factors that'd rule him out?

[Kompressor]

He would bring up anything that might give him some pull or excuse for why he's utterly sh*t as a manager.

 

Yes, but it doesn't detract from the popular and long term belief that he is right.

 

has anybody on here been happy with our Recruitment and youth policy and progression in the last 5 years?

 

we on here have been lamenting it for years. Moyes' arguements stand up, regardless of his motives.

 

He shouldn't be able to have any arguments.  

[Agony]

The gas about how good Moyes's scouting set up is in comparison to ours is too much.

C/S Moyes being a p*ssy. We've scouted William Carvalho over 15 times this season and instead of wrapping up the deal in January we're gonna wait for the summer window when the big clubs will be interested in him after he had a good World Cup.

With Strootman both United and Everton scouted him for years but both managers foolishly allowed him to join Roma this season.

We've scouted and developed players that could've been good enough for the first team but Fergie had the final say on them being signed or promoted so he's to blame.

Are we really supposed to believe that Fergie’s blind loyalty and over reliance on Giggs and Scholes was because the same scouts that found Hernandez, Januzaj, Pogba, De Gea etc. couldn't find a mid to replace them that represented value in the market like for example Dembele before he joined Fulham and Spurs.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

 

Speaking after Sporting's 2-1 win over Braga, Carvalho told journalists: "It's nice being praised and to know there are some big clubs interested in me."

 

And asked about his future, he added: "It could be Manchester United or Real Madrid. It's just nice to have a great European club after me, but at the moment I'm just totally focused on

 

Sporting and doing my best until the end of the season.

 

"At the end of the campaign, we will see what happens."

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Sir Alex Ferguson believes David Moyes will be a success at Manchester United and should be given time to improve the team.

 

Moyes has been widely criticised for the job he has done at Old Trafford since replacing Ferguson at the helm during the summer.

 

United, who are not playing this weekend, are seventh in the Premier League table, trailing leaders Chelsea by a huge margin of 18 points - and are on the verge of Champions League elimination following their 2-0 defeat to Olympiakos in Athens.

 

Missing out on European football is a very real prospect for United, who were knocked out of the FA Cup by Swansea and the Capital One Cup by Sunderland - both at Old Trafford.

 

They are also 12 points adrift of fourth-placed Manchester City and face an uphill battle to secure Champions League qualification through their league placing.

 

Despite several failures, Ferguson - who went from 1986 until 1990 before delivering his first trophy at Old Trafford - feels Moyes can be a success and feels he should be given adequate time to make his mark.

 

"They (United) will be all right," said Ferguson, speaking in Los Angeles at a party thrown by British Consul-General Chris O'Connor ahead of the Oscars.

 

"It's early days and there have been a lot of changes. He (Moyes) needs time. I was there for 27 years, so with a new manager, it takes time. But they'll be okay."

 

 

[Zizouz]

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