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I agree with the world cup statement tbh.

Leaving Barca and bringing another team success would cement him as the greatest ever. But from his interviews he doesn't seem interested in that

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Messi is he the best in Barcelona's history? Yes

Messi is he the best in the world? Yes

Messi is he the best of this generation? Yes

Them three things do not make you the greatest ever.

Taking an average Argentine team and carrying them to two successive World Cup finals isn't a joke.

Taking an average Italian side and making them twice champions isn't a joke.

We should ask our fathers/uncles/brothers/cousins/grandfathers

These two questions

A) If Maradona could do it with lesser players why can't Messi do it with better players for Argentina

B) if Maradona decided to play for Milan with Van Basten,Gullit,Rijkaard imagine what would of happen.

Different generations and all that by weigh their achievements against each other

Spanish League/European Cup

Messi>>>>Maradona

Club football

Maradona>Messi

International Football

Maradona>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

We need to be realistic and realise football started before 2008

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If you want anyone's view on the best ever talk to Brain Glanville

Lionel Messi the best ever? It's been argued and asserted after his remarkable five goals against Bayern Leverkusen. Messi simply strolled through their defence as though it wasn't there. He scored his goals with a dazzling variety of shots, chips and lobs. Emphasising, in the process, what a gloriously democratic game soccer is, in physical terms.

For Messi is small, yet his boyish build is no handicap to him; he is still too quick, skilled and adroit for the most powerful defenders.

But the best-ever perhaps not for what are the criteria? Surely, comparisons are subjective. What role, for instance, should a World Cup play? Messi appeared for Argentina in South Africa and was somewhat disappointing, lively enough in their earlier games, but unable to save his team from a thrashing by Germany.

Afterwards, Messi insisted that he was satisfied with his form and would not condemn Diego Maradona, a refulgent World Cup star for Argentina in the Mexican World Cup of 1986, but an erratic and explosive team manager, blamed in some quarters for keeping Messi out on the wing rather than giving him his head as Barcelona so profitably do. Was there an element of envy in such tactics. One can only surmise.

World Cup: the criterion?

But then, should the World Cup be the ultimate criterion just as the Olympics are said to be in athletics? In that case, what of that other great Argentinian, Alfredo Di Stefano, who never appeared in one? This was the centre who with Real Madrid — whom he led and inspired to the first five ever European Cups — was playing Total Football long before anyone had thought of it, tirelessly influential from box to box. By the time Argentina in 1958 deigned to return to a World Cup, Di Stefano had been long in Spain with Real. Eventually naturalised, Spain took him to the 1962 World Cup in Chile but he didn't play; or wouldn't play? He was confronted by an ego as big as his in flamboyant manager Helenio Herrera.

No match for Pele

Pele did, and how! I was fortunate enough to see him excel in two World Cups, 1958 in Sweden as a prolific and precocious 17-year-old and again in Mexico in 1970, each time inspiring Brazil to success. The two goals he got against Sweden in the 1958 Final in Stockholm were marvels of flair, technique and courage. Power, sublime skill, invention; who could match him?

Not even Maradona, for all that amazing solo burst against England and then against Belgium in the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City in the 1986 World Cup.

So, let us content ourselves with saying that Messi, at this moment, is the finest footballer on the planet. Let us note that three of those top four players were or are Argentinians: Di Stefano, Maradona and now Messi. Even if two of them have excelled, not in Argentina, but in Spain.

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The days of one player single handedly carrying a team are gone.

Players on a whole are better, Tactics on a whole are better, fitness levels are better, teams are better organised.

In this era of football if you haven't got a good team around you then your talent doesn't account for anything. Can you honestly say the average player back then was anywhere near the average player in regards to standards now.

Besides the odd spankings here and there there aren't any easy games these days against so called smaller nations or smaller teams. The CL and the past few national tournaments have shown everyone that.

Levels have been upped

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He makes two great points

1) Let's enjoy him and he is the best on this planet

2) The Germany game (LOL @blaming Maradona for Messi not transforming his club form but u can blame him for the defence/players picked)

Messi at the moment see Dinho

A great player at Barca but just a good player outside Barca.

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There are more average players now.

I agree systems have changed but players still get free roles but most of them work for their team more nowdays.

Maradona didn't just beat players for fun he decided big games for his teams with assists more than goals that's what you call the ultimate team player.

Like you said different times but you know what makes Maradona achievements more expectional?

Played with average players

Rubbish pitches

No Ref protection(You could still tackle from behind)

Lack of science

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The days of one player single handedly carrying a team are gone.

Players on a whole are better, Tactics on a whole are better, fitness levels are better, teams are better organised.

In this era of football if you haven't got a good team around you then your talent doesn't account for anything. Can you honestly say the average player back then was anywhere near the average player in regards to standards now.

Besides the odd spankings here and there there aren't any easy games these days against so called smaller nations or smaller teams. The CL and the past few national tournaments have shown everyone that.

Levels have been upped

What are you talking about mate, the tactics and defenders back in Serie A in the 80's surpasses anything that is around now, the average goals in the league was less due to this.

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The days of one player single handedly carrying a team are gone.

Players on a whole are better, Tactics on a whole are better, fitness levels are better, teams are better organised.

In this era of football if you haven't got a good team around you then your talent doesn't account for anything. Can you honestly say the average player back then was anywhere near the average player in regards to standards now.

Besides the odd spankings here and there there aren't any easy games these days against so called smaller nations or smaller teams. The CL and the past few national tournaments have shown everyone that.

Levels have been upped

What are you talking about mate, the tactics and defenders back in Serie A in the 80's surpasses anything that is around now, the average goals in the league was less due to this.

What was your username before ?

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The days of one player single handedly carrying a team are gone.

Players on a whole are better, Tactics on a whole are better, fitness levels are better, teams are better organised.

In this era of football if you haven't got a good team around you then your talent doesn't account for anything. Can you honestly say the average player back then was anywhere near the average player in regards to standards now.

Besides the odd spankings here and there there aren't any easy games these days against so called smaller nations or smaller teams. The CL and the past few national tournaments have shown everyone that.

Levels have been upped

What are you talking about mate, the tactics and defenders back in Serie A in the 80's surpasses anything that is around now, the average goals in the league was less due to this.

The Italian league back then had a mentality of playing defensive/ focusing alot of defensive aspects. Wingers weren't used, pacey players were very rare, the build up play was very slow and patient.

Maradonna thrived in a League where players like him were a complete enigma to the opposition defenders. They didn't know how to approach him, handle or cope with him.

lol @ saying Tactics have gotten worse. If anything the Italian league has moved in a way where it has started producing more attacking players, bringing in alot more foreign attacking players and doesn't harbor AS MUCH focus on defense as it once did.

Napoli and Udinese are prime examples of the changing times of Italian football.

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The days of one player single handedly carrying a team are gone.

Players on a whole are better, Tactics on a whole are better, fitness levels are better, teams are better organised.

In this era of football if you haven't got a good team around you then your talent doesn't account for anything. Can you honestly say the average player back then was anywhere near the average player in regards to standards now.

Besides the odd spankings here and there there aren't any easy games these days against so called smaller nations or smaller teams. The CL and the past few national tournaments have shown everyone that.

Levels have been upped

What are you talking about mate, the tactics and defenders back in Serie A in the 80's surpasses anything that is around now, the average goals in the league was less due to this.

The Italian league back then had a mentality of playing defensive/ focusing alot of defensive aspects. Wingers weren't used, pacey players were very rare, the build up play was very slow and patient.

Maradonna thrived in a League where players like him were a complete enigma to the opposition defenders. They didn't know how to approach him, handle or cope with him.

lol @ saying Tactics have gotten worse. If anything the Italian league has moved in a way where it has started producing more attacking players, bringing in alot more foreign attacking players and doesn't harbor AS MUCH focus on defense as it once did.

Napoli and Udinese are prime examples of the changing times of Italian football.

No the tactics are worse, 80's Serie A was the golden era for Italian defenders, you had the likes of Costacurta, Baresi, Maldini, Gentile all playing in the same time, some of the greatest strikers played in that league and it wasn't easy, Van Bastens career ended prematurely because of it.

And Maradona is an enigma to any defence, however if the point your trying to make is that skillful playmakers weren't playing in the Serie A in them days then your wrong.

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