UKIP

[Sole]

Yh which one of u fags didnt wanna see Justin cream pie?

[Gambino]

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

[local]

The question is, what is English?

 

You've got people who've never worked a day in their lives that feel they are entitled to more than someone who's a 2nd generation brit of Pakistani or West Indian descent simply because they're white and English. 

 

England was built up by people from all over the world so if you're a law abiding citizen that contributes to this society but happen to be at the darker end of the dulux chart are you English enough?

 

the english are an ethnicity

 

step out of london and you'll see em about

i kno its deemed acceptable/hipster to deny european ethnicities of their existence but plz refrain from this mate, its out of order

 

there's no need to bring up 11th century invasions etc every nation has had ancient migrations and assimilations - this doesn't deny the existence of a people sharing biological and cultural traits

 

the work ethic of an individual is irrelevant to his ethnicity and nationality

 

question for u flojo - what's your opinion on immigration to affluent european countries that didn't participate in african and asian colonialism - sweden for example

 

u can't naively ascribe their success exclusively or even partially on keeping the brown man down, so do their immigrants deserve the same impunity? do their citizens deserve any say on who enters their country? 

[Kurtis]

The question is, what is English?

 

You've got people who've never worked a day in their lives that feel they are entitled to more than someone who's a 2nd generation brit of Pakistani or West Indian descent simply because they're white and English. 

 

England was built up by people from all over the world so if you're a law abiding citizen that contributes to this society but happen to be at the darker end of the dulux chart are you English enough?

 

the english are an ethnicity

 

step out of london and you'll see em about

i kno its deemed acceptable/hipster to deny european ethnicities of their existence but plz refrain from this mate, its out of order

 

 

there's no need to bring up 11th century invasions etc every nation has had ancient migrations and assimilations - this doesn't deny the existence of a people sharing biological and cultural traits

 

the work ethic of an individual is irrelevant to his ethnicity and nationality

 

question for u flojo - what's your opinion on immigration to affluent countries that didn't participate in african and asian colonialism - sweden for example

 

u can't naively ascribe their success exclusively or even partially on keeping the brown man down, so do their immigrants deserve the same impunity? do their citizens deserve any right on who enters their country?

 

certain people win trophies naturally

 

others need steroids

[Da Luv Doc]

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish?

 

Can you please break down what Britishness is, where it stems from, history of its creation etc

 

And for example;

 

Some 352,000 emigrants left the UK in the year ending June 2012, "similar" to the estimate of 342,000 in the year to June 2011

 

UKIP want to freeze permanent immigration for 5 years

 

Thats about 1.5million people leaving in that time if the average maintains

 

So we will have a deficit of 1.5 million people

 

Who is going to fill all these jobs and skill shortages they will be leaving

 

?

 

Economic growth will stall even more, inflation will rise, foreign investment will drop, taxes will increase

 

And then what? Whose fault is it then? Still the foreigners who come here and set up businesses's, create jobs, invest their money here and improve the quality and quantity of our labour workforce

 

Yeah some take the piss, there is no denying that, but as history has shown, you can't punish the majority for what the minority do.

 

Also

 

Net migration to the UK fell by a third in the year ending June 2012, compared with the previous 12 months, the latest immigration figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said 163,000 more people came to live in the UK for 12 months or more than had left, compared with 247,000 the year before.

The ONS said this was driven by a drop in immigration, and study remained the most common reason to come to the UK.

 

We have a well known big shortage in UK school children (made up of ''British'' children) not taking courses like Science and Maths in higher education

 

What kind of impact will reducing these numbers have on everyone else?

- Unis will have to increase the fees which will effect British children

- Unis will earn less money, so will have to either employ less people

- Or they will have to employ not as good lectures as the best lectures will just go abroad where they can command more money

 

Look at the bigger picture

 

Its good UKIP are providing checks and balances to the Government 

 

But they are nothing but a glorified irrational pressure group who are all rhetoric and no reality 

[Da Luv Doc]

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish?

 

Can you please break down what Britishness is, where it stems from, history of its creation etc

 

And for example;

 

>Some 352,000 emigrants left the UK in the year ending June 2012, "similar" to the estimate of 342,000 in the year to June 2011

 

UKIP want to freeze permanent immigration for 5 years

 

Thats about 1.5million people leaving in that time if the average maintains

 

So we will have a deficit of 1.5 million people

 

Who is going to fill all these jobs and skill shortages they will be leaving

 

?

 

Economic growth will stall even more, inflation will rise, foreign investment will drop, taxes will increase

 

And then what? Whose fault is it then? Still the foreigners who come here and set up businesses's, create jobs, invest their money here and improve the quality and quantity of our labour workforce

 

Yeah some take the piss, there is no denying that, but as history has shown, you can't punish the majority for what the minority do.

 

Also

 

Net migration to the UK fell by a third in the year ending June 2012, compared with the previous 12 months, the latest immigration figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said 163,000 more people came to live in the UK for 12 months or more than had left, compared with 247,000 the year before.

The ONS said this was driven by a drop in immigration, and study remained the most common reason to come to the UK.

 

We have a well known big shortage in UK school children (made up of ''British'' children) not taking courses like Science and Maths in higher education

 

What kind of impact will reducing these numbers have on everyone else?

- Unis will have to increase the fees which will effect British children

- Unis will earn less money, so will have to either employ less people

- Or they will have to employ not as good lectures as the best lectures will just go abroad where they can command more money

 

Look at the bigger picture

 

Its good UKIP are providing checks and balances to the Government 

 

But they are nothing but a glorified irrational pressure group who are all rhetoric and no reality 

 

 

 

I fully agree, but the Green Monsters will also have the same effect.

[Thun]

The question is, what is English?

 

You've got people who've never worked a day in their lives that feel they are entitled to more than someone who's a 2nd generation brit of Pakistani or West Indian descent simply because they're white and English. 

 

England was built up by people from all over the world so if you're a law abiding citizen that contributes to this society but happen to be at the darker end of the dulux chart are you English enough?

 

the english are an ethnicity

 

step out of london and you'll see em about

i kno its deemed acceptable/hipster to deny european ethnicities of their existence but plz refrain from this mate, its out of order

 

there's no need to bring up 11th century invasions etc every nation has had ancient migrations and assimilations - this doesn't deny the existence of a people sharing biological and cultural traits

 

the work ethic of an individual is irrelevant to his ethnicity and nationality

 

question for u flojo - what's your opinion on immigration to affluent european countries that didn't participate in african and asian colonialism - sweden for example

 

u can't naively ascribe their success exclusively or even partially on keeping the brown man down, so do their immigrants deserve the same impunity? do their citizens deserve any say on who enters their country? 

 

I clocked Flojo mentality from early

 

Hates English culture and the people and wants the country to fall

 

Wants pay back for colonial days but should everyone who is English take responsibility for the current wars as that means by your standards we are responsible, you see how silly it is to have this mentality

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish?

 

Can you please break down what Britishness is, where it stems from, history of its creation etc

 

And for example;

 

>Some 352,000 emigrants left the UK in the year ending June 2012, "similar" to the estimate of 342,000 in the year to June 2011

ockquote>

 

UKIP want to freeze permanent immigration for 5 years

 

Thats about 1.5million people leaving in that time if the average maintains

 

So we will have a deficit of 1.5 million people

 

Who is going to fill all these jobs and skill shortages they will be leaving

 

?

 

Economic growth will stall even more, inflation will rise, foreign investment will drop, taxes will increase

 

And then what? Whose fault is it then? Still the foreigners who come here and set up businesses's, create jobs, invest their money here and improve the quality and quantity of our labour workforce

 

Yeah some take the piss, there is no denying that, but as history has shown, you can't punish the majority for what the minority do.

 

Also

 

 

Net migration to the UK fell by a third in the year ending June 2012, compared with the previous 12 months, the latest immigration figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said 163,000 more people came to live in the UK for 12 months or more than had left, compared with 247,000 the year before.

The ONS said this was driven by a drop in immigration, and study remained the most common reason to come to the UK.

 

We have a well known big shortage in UK school children (made up of ''British'' children) not taking courses like Science and Maths in higher education

 

What kind of impact will reducing these numbers have on everyone else?

- Unis will have to increase the fees which will effect British children

- Unis will earn less money, so will have to either employ less people

- Or they will have to employ not as good lectures as the best lectures will just go abroad where they can command more money

 

Look at the bigger picture

 

Its good UKIP are providing checks and balances to the Government 

 

But they are nothing but a glorified irrational pressure group who are all rhetoric and no reality 

 

 

 

I fully agree, but the Green Monsters will also have the same effect.

 

 

How when they clearly state that prefer a more progressive tax system and want to reduce the gap of inequality which is growing, whilst protecting the economy in the long term by switching to green initiatives which will long term save lifes, costs and create 1000s of potential jobs, possible 100,000s in the long run

 

An estimated 4,267 Londoners are dying prematurely each year because of long-term exposure to airborne pollution, it was revealed today.

Those living in inner-city areas breathe in the most polluted air, a detailed breakdown of pollution levels in wards across the capital, published by the London mayor, Boris Johnson, shows.

The study of the health impact of high levels of fine particulate matter of a concentration level known as PM2.5 on mortality rates in the capital prompted calls for Johnson to introduce "urgent targeted measures" to address the city's poor air quality, which is the worst in the UK and among the worst in European cities.

Airborne pollution in the form of fine particulate matter emanates mostly from combustion sources, including transport, domestic and industrial sources, and aggravates respiratory and cardiovascular conditions. PM2.5 refers to particles of less than 2.5 micrometres.

Research shows these particles are likely to be inhaled deep into the respiratory tract and have a disproportionate impact on children due to their smaller lung capacity.

Poor air quality is considered to be one of the biggest public health issues now facing the UK. A report by the House of Commons environmental audit committee included evidence that showed pollution could be contributing to 50,000 deaths in the UK each year.

 

4,000 deaths in London each year and possible 50,000 nation wide

 

And its only going to get worse 

 

Whats a bit more tax onto to of things that create these issues which will save 1000s of lifes each year?

[Thun]

 

 

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish?

 

Can you please break down what Britishness is, where it stems from, history of its creation etc

 

And for example;

 

 

>Some 352,000 emigrants left the UK in the year ending June 2012, "similar" to the estimate of 342,000 in the year to June 2011

ockquote>

 

UKIP want to freeze permanent immigration for 5 years

 

Thats about 1.5million people leaving in that time if the average maintains

 

So we will have a deficit of 1.5 million people

 

Who is going to fill all these jobs and skill shortages they will be leaving

 

?

 

Economic growth will stall even more, inflation will rise, foreign investment will drop, taxes will increase

 

And then what? Whose fault is it then? Still the foreigners who come here and set up businesses's, create jobs, invest their money here and improve the quality and quantity of our labour workforce

 

Yeah some take the piss, there is no denying that, but as history has shown, you can't punish the majority for what the minority do.

 

Also

 

 

 

Net migration to the UK fell by a third in the year ending June 2012, compared with the previous 12 months, the latest immigration figures show.

The Office for National Statistics said 163,000 more people came to live in the UK for 12 months or more than had left, compared with 247,000 the year before.

The ONS said this was driven by a drop in immigration, and study remained the most common reason to come to the UK.

 

We have a well known big shortage in UK school children (made up of ''British'' children) not taking courses like Science and Maths in higher education

 

What kind of impact will reducing these numbers have on everyone else?

- Unis will have to increase the fees which will effect British children

- Unis will earn less money, so will have to either employ less people

- Or they will have to employ not as good lectures as the best lectures will just go abroad where they can command more money

 

Look at the bigger picture

 

Its good UKIP are providing checks and balances to the Government 

 

But they are nothing but a glorified irrational pressure group who are all rhetoric and no reality 

 

 

 

I fully agree, but the Green Monsters will also have the same effect.

 

How when they clearly state that prefer a more progressive tax system and want to reduce the gap of inequality which is growing, whilst protecting the economy in the long term by switching to green initiatives which will long term save lifes, costs and create 1000s of potential jobs, possible 100,000s in the long run

 

An estimated 4,267 Londoners are dying prematurely each year because of long-term exposure to airborne pollution, it was revealed today.

Those living in inner-city areas breathe in the most polluted air, a detailed breakdown of pollution levels in wards across the capital, published by the London mayor, Boris Johnson, shows.

The study of the health impact of high levels of fine particulate matter of a concentration level known as PM2.5 on mortality rates in the capital prompted calls for Johnson to introduce "urgent targeted measures" to address the city's poor air quality, which is the worst in the UK and among the worst in European cities.

Airborne pollution in the form of fine particulate matter emanates mostly from combustion sources, including transport, domestic and industrial sources, and aggravates respiratory and cardiovascular conditions. PM2.5 refers to particles of less than 2.5 micrometres.

Research shows these particles are likely to be inhaled deep into the respiratory tract and have a disproportionate impact on children due to their smaller lung capacity.

Poor air quality is considered to be one of the biggest public health issues now facing the UK. A report by the House of Commons environmental audit committee included evidence that showed pollution could be contributing to 50,000 deaths in the UK each year.

 

4,000 deaths in London each year and possible 50,000 nation wide

 

And its only going to get worse 

 

Whats a bit more tax onto to of things that create these issues which will save 1000s of lifes each year?

 

 

PMSL like taxing with save lives

 

See what I mean by banes child like mind, bare text but know substance to it, total green waffle

[Sole]

LADS IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT FFS

STFU GO OUT AND HAVE SOME FUN.

[Kurtis]

i just had mine

 

Kakey >>>

 

now back to biness

[Gambino]

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish? 

 

Yea to put it bluntly. If Spain didn't like a load of Brits flocking there they should let their Governments know and put a stop to it. It's probably changed the face of a lot of their towns. You get a whole heap of Brits who jump ship to Australia now because they can't stand the way this country has become via Immigration. We have quite a small land mass and are soon to have the biggest Population in Europe if that hasn't already happened. I'm not really saying close the doors forever we don't want you. I like UKIPs policy of closing the doors for set amount of time, getting the house in order and then making a system where we know who comes here and we can accomodate them. If this countries already in the shitter and can't handle things as it stands why keep letting people come here? And why are people allowed to come here and get free health care when everyone who lives here has to pay for it via their Tax and Nat I. Would you get the same treatment going overseas?

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

 

 

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish?

 

Can you please break down what Britishness is, where it stems from, history of its creation etc

 

And for example;

 

> 

>Some 352,000 emigrants left the UK in the year ending June 2012, "similar" to the estimate of 342,000 in the year to June 2011

ockquote>

 

UKIP want to freeze permanent immigration for 5 years

 

Thats about 1.5million people leaving in that time if the average maintains

 

So we will have a deficit of 1.5 million people

 

Who is going to fill all these jobs and skill shortages they will be leaving

 

?

 

Economic growth will stall even more, inflation will rise, foreign investment will drop, taxes will increase

 

And then what? Whose fault is it then? Still the foreigners who come here and set up businesses's, create jobs, invest their money here and improve the quality and quantity of our labour workforce

 

Yeah some take the piss, there is no denying that, but as history has shown, you can't punish the majority for what the minority do.

 

Also

 

 

 

Net migration to the UK fell by a third in the year ending June 2012

, compared with the previous 12 months, the latest immigration figures show.

The Office for National Statistics

said 163,000 more people came to live in the UK for 12 months or more than had left, compared with 247,000 the year before.

The ONS said this was driven by a drop in immigration, and

study remained the most common reason to come to the UK

.

 

We have a well known big shortage in UK school children (made up of ''British'' children) not taking courses like Science and Maths in higher education

 

What kind of impact will reducing these numbers have on everyone else?

- Unis will have to increase the fees which will effect British children

- Unis will earn less money, so will have to either employ less people

- Or they will have to employ not as good lectures as the best lectures will just go abroad where they can command more money

 

Look at the bigger picture

 

Its good UKIP are providing checks and balances to the Government 

 

But they are nothing but a glorified irrational pressure group who are all rhetoric and no reality 

 

lockquote>

 

 

I fully agree, but the Green Monsters will also have the same effect.

 

How when they clearly state that prefer a more progressive tax system and want to reduce the gap of inequality which is growing, whilst protecting the economy in the long term by switching to green initiatives which will long term save lifes, costs and create 1000s of potential jobs, possible 100,000s in the long run

 

>An estimated 4,267 Londoners are dying prematurely each year because of long-term exposure to airborne pollution, it was revealed today.

Those living in inner-city areas breathe in the most polluted air, a detailed breakdown of pollution levels in wards across the capital, published by the London mayor, Boris Johnson, shows.

The study of the health impact of high levels of fine particulate matter of a concentration level known as PM2.5 on mortality rates in the capital prompted calls for Johnson to introduce "urgent targeted measures" to address the city's poor air quality, which is the worst in the UK and among the worst in European cities.

Airborne pollution in the form of fine particulate matter emanates mostly from combustion sources, including transport, domestic and industrial sources, and aggravates respiratory and cardiovascular conditions. PM2.5 refers to particles of less than 2.5 micrometres.

Research shows these particles are likely to be inhaled deep into the respiratory tract and have a disproportionate impact on children due to their smaller lung capacity.

Poor air quality is considered to be one of the biggest public health issues now facing the UK. A report by the House of Commons environmental audit committee included evidence that showed pollution could be contributing to 50,000 deaths in the UK each year.

 

4,000 deaths in London each year and possible 50,000 nation wide

 

And its only going to get worse 

 

Whats a bit more tax onto to of things that create these issues which will save 1000s of lifes each year?

 

 

PMSL like taxing with save lives

 

See what I mean by banes child like mind, bare text but know substance to it, total green waffle

 

 

It has many benefits

 

 

For example it helps pay for the externalities that arise from the actions humans fall to, to fund the development of a sustainable environment 

 

Such as the wastage MNCs do in poor countries, like dumping waste into rivers which goes into the water-supplies and leads to death, diseases and de-formative babies. 

 

Still

[anelka]

Nigel Farage >>

 

The guy is straight box office

 

 

[time_bomb]

 

This Topics dead out really. Seems like it's a debate in GB between Pro British people vs Guys who want their own country of residence to hit the shitter because they don't quite like it's history. Probably the same guys who would love to go live in Dubai etc and have no recollection of Arab histories of persecution | Yea I'll stay reminding you |

 

Society in this country is becoming diluted. Britishness will not exist when the century is out, it will just be a piece of land where people reside with nothing about it.

 

I'm all down for the History and Tradition and way of life so I support UKIP. The people who don't mind seeing this country drastically change will stay voting Labour.

 

So should Spain send back all the English people who migrate there who don't speak fluent Spanish? 

 

Yea to put it bluntly. If Spain didn't like a load of Brits flocking there they should let their Governments know and put a stop to it. It's probably changed the face of a lot of their towns. You get a whole heap of Brits who jump ship to Australia now because they can't stand the way this country has become via Immigration. We have quite a small land mass and are soon to have the biggest Population in Europe if that hasn't already happened. I'm not really saying close the doors forever we don't want you. I like UKIPs policy of closing the doors for set amount of time, getting the house in order and then making a system where we know who comes here and we can accomodate them. If this countries already in the shitter and can't handle things as it stands why keep letting people come here? And why are people allowed to come here and get free health care when everyone who lives here has to pay for it via their Tax and Nat I. Would you get the same treatment going overseas?

 

lol what a load of bollox 

 

Yea we deffo need to get our house in order. Start by getting those lazy white chavs off their ass, they eat much more benefits than immigrants, furthermore most of these immigrants u want to stop coming in, pay taxes so these english people can remain sitting on their ass smoking fags and watching daytime tv.

 

Then u can stop this white chavvy drinking culture, they eat into the nhs much more than immigrants. Furthermore a lot of the time its immigrants caring for these binge drinkers.

[Gambino]

Lazy "White" Chavs.............. So it's a colour issue for you then? Glad you agree this country needs to sort them out though.. We got issues, resolve them before adding to them. Nobody is saying every single immigrant that comes here is bad for the country. It's certain ones, problem is nobody monitors who comes in and goes out and what for. Someone posted before about the numbers that had left, funny how they have numbers of the people who leave yet don't have a fucking clue how many come in isn't it?

 

UKIP's Policy is right to stop it, sort the borders out and then let people come here who who can be accommodated. Or Conserves should implement some kinda 5 Year cap on Benefits for people who come here........ I don't see the problem with that at all.

 

And as for Europe. Never been any official studies done on it but the unofficial ones done which I think I read was 4 of them, 3 came to the conclusion that Britain would be better off out of it.

[Kurtis]

Lazy "White" Chavs.............. So it's a colour issue for you then? Glad you agree this country needs to sort them out though.. We got issues, resolve them before adding to them. Nobody is saying every single immigrant that comes here is bad for the country. It's certain ones, problem is nobody monitors who comes in and goes out and what for. Someone posted before about the numbers that had left, funny how they have numbers of the people who leave yet don't have a f*cking clue how many come in isn't it?

 

UKIP's Policy is right to stop it, sort the borders out and then let people come here who who can be accommodated. Or Conserves should implement some kinda 5 Year cap on Benefits for people who come here........ I don't see the problem with that at all.

 

And as for Europe. Never been any official studies done on it but the unofficial ones done which I think I read was 4 of them, 3 came to the conclusion that Britain would be better off out of it.

 

its in those same numbers if you read

 

cnt remember the exact digits but it was something like 747464 more immigrants came in than people left

 

or something

[Gambino]

Swear the Government already said they had no idea how many people had been coming into the country.

[Kurtis]

i remember seeing figures last few years

 

what i heard was that they had a backlog of claims that were just buried and were only recently found

 

dunno

[Gambino]

The last I seen was that they said they had no idea how many people had come here over in such a time frame. They estimated 3 Million or something. They also have no idea how many Romanians and Bulgarians are set to come when the rules are lifted at the end of this year.

[Sole]

Don't forget we can all move to Romania and Bulgaria as well tho

[Kurtis]

The last I seen was that they said they had no idea how many people had come here over in such a time frame. They estimated 3 Million or something. They also have no idea how many Romanians and Bulgarians are set to come when the rules are lifted at the end of this year.

 

i think thats a EU thing, cause of free movement or whatever they dont really keep track?

 

but they always had numbers on non EU immigration AFAIK

 

and tbh when people talk immigrants im thinkin Afghans

[Flojo]

The question is, what is English?

 

You've got people who've never worked a day in their lives that feel they are entitled to more than someone who's a 2nd generation brit of Pakistani or West Indian descent simply because they're white and English. 

 

England was built up by people from all over the world so if you're a law abiding citizen that contributes to this society but happen to be at the darker end of the dulux chart are you English enough?

 

 

the english are an ethnicity

 

step out of london and you'll see em about

 

i kno its deemed acceptable/hipster to deny european ethnicities of their existence but plz refrain from this mate, its out of order

 

there's no need to bring up 11th century invasions etc every nation has had ancient migrations and assimilations - this doesn't deny the existence of a people sharing biological and cultural traits

I live outside London and see English people all the time. Am I right in thinking that by english people you mean white people with names like John and Stacey?

 

 

the work ethic of an individual is irrelevant to his ethnicity and nationality

I didn't imply differently, I was making the point that some people feel that because they are white and English they have more right to be here and are more valuable members of society than people of colour who you could easily argue contribute a lot more.

 

question for u flojo - what's your opinion on immigration to affluent european countries that didn't participate in african and asian colonialism - sweden for example

 

u can't naively ascribe their success exclusively or even partially on keeping the brown man down, so do their immigrants deserve the same impunity? do their citizens deserve any say on who enters their country?

Who am I to tell people in Sweden what their foreign policy should be? If Sven, Niklas and Henrik built up their country to it's current state then let them decide their policy on immigration. The problem here is that too many Johns, Peters and Staceys want to hark on about how great this country was but don't want to acknowledge that a lot of Sabeenas, Jacquelines, Tahirs and Donovans contributed and suffered for that to be possible. I aren't saying that people in the UK don't deserve the chance to have a referendum on Europe, I'm saying that pinning the problems of the country on immigration and foreigners is lazy and misguided ad that there are more pressing matters of concern.

[Gambino]

Uncontrolled mass immigration is a problem Flojo, one of many in this country right now. You are dismissing it as one which I don't agree it. As for England/The UK. It was already a successful Nation before the whole the immigration as we know it existed so don't pin down it's greatness down to the influx of Foriegners over the last 100 years. It's down to the people who lived, battled and progressed here over the centuries. Their education, resolve and shared knowledge is why this tiny Island became such a success and Global player on this planet. I can acknowledge the contribution people from different countries have made over the last century and continue to do. But it doesn't change my mind on not wanting open borders and millions of people coming here who have different cultures and ways of life and are not willing to make an effort to adopt ours. 

 

You keep talking about people suffering..... So I know you must have these ill feelings towards what the British did in the past. Just wondering do you feel the same about the rest of the World since they were doing the same shit back in the day? War and invasions were the norm during them times. Every corner of the globe were doing it. Everyone has suffered at some point.