O Fenomeno Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Verratti can do both better than Wilshere If you seen a lot of Verratti then this discussion about him shouldn't be happening The guy oozes class Wilshere has had one full season in 10/11 what was that season like for him As for Veratti what I meant to say he plays in a congestion area just like Wilshere and not think he plays in a DLP role for PSG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Think some of you are forgetting Wenger played an injured Wilshere last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ Kane I believe he has the attributes to play further up the park - either wide or inbetween the lines as a #10  close control / dribbling ability / vision / low center of gravity / has a turn in him / burst of pace / can beat a man  Diaby when fully fit, is what an #8 at arsenal should be, Wilshere has the quality to be more than an eight like don andres iniesta  I think if you look at other players in his age group who play in those positions, i.e. Reus, Gotze, Ozil, Isco, Hazard I think you'll find that the attributes needed to play in those positions are of a much higher standard which is why I say he's more suited to the 6/8 positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 if the we have no new additions(very likley) Â where is jack going to be playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 By the way Mike I like the way you appreciate Gundogan who was criminally under rated by many on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Fenomeno Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ Kane I believe he has the attributes to play further up the park - either wide or inbetween the lines as a #10 close control / dribbling ability / vision / low center of gravity / has a turn in him / burst of pace / can beat a man Diaby when fully fit, is what an #8 at arsenal should be, Wilshere has the quality to be more than an eight like don andres iniesta I think if you look at other players in his age group who play in those positions, i.e. Reus, Gotze, Ozil, Isco, Hazard I think you'll find that the attributes needed to play in those positions are of a much higher standard which is why I say he's more suited to the 6/8 positions. Mike never mentions Neymar in that bracket I see you Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Planet Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Thoughts on Wilshere? Where does our Jack rank among some of the other top young talents in the world (23 and under) Veratti / Oscar / Thiago / Kroos / Isco / Draxler / Gotze / Hazard / Gundogan etc It's been difficult for the lad since his breakthrough season with us, as he missed the following season.. Personally i would like to see him used higher up the pitch and in the wide areas (particularly on the right, cutting in) He's got the talent to unlock defenses and get goals / assists Hopefully this season he can stay fit and really be our key man in midfield C/S Wilshere should of stayed as a RM He was dangerous and dribbling past players for fun He is wasted in CM  lol who undid my pos  I agree with porchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 By the way Mike I like the way you appreciate Gundogan who was criminally under rated by many on here Amazing player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ Kane I believe he has the attributes to play further up the park - either wide or inbetween the lines as a #10 close control / dribbling ability / vision / low center of gravity / has a turn in him / burst of pace / can beat a man Diaby when fully fit, is what an #8 at arsenal should be, Wilshere has the quality to be more than an eight like don andres iniesta I think if you look at other players in his age group who play in those positions, i.e. Reus, Gotze, Ozil, Isco, Hazard I think you'll find that the attributes needed to play in those positions are of a much higher standard which is why I say he's more suited to the 6/8 positions. Mike never mentions Neymar in that bracket I see you Mike Lol, not even, I don't compare players who don't compare in terms of position/role. Rather compare Neymar to Reus, Hazard, Bernard, Insigne, James Rodrguez, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF S4DK Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 if the we have no new additions(very likley) Â where is jack going to be playing? Â Depends on the addition obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anelka Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ Kane I believe he has the attributes to play further up the park - either wide or inbetween the lines as a #10  close control / dribbling ability / vision / low center of gravity / has a turn in him / burst of pace / can beat a man  Diaby when fully fit, is what an #8 at arsenal should be, Wilshere has the quality to be more than an eight like don andres iniesta  I think if you look at other players in his age group who play in those positions, i.e. Reus, Gotze, Ozil, Isco, Hazard I think you'll find that the attributes needed to play in those positions are of a much higher standard which is why I say he's more suited to the 6/8 positions. so essentially you don't believe he's good enough to play that role, n his skillset is more suited to 6/8 positions.. interesting  /  oh so enlightened one TF S4DK, what's your take on all this? how do u rate our jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 @ Kane I believe he has the attributes to play further up the park - either wide or inbetween the lines as a #10  close control / dribbling ability / vision / low center of gravity / has a turn in him / burst of pace / can beat a man  Diaby when fully fit, is what an #8 at arsenal should be, Wilshere has the quality to be more than an eight like don andres iniesta  I think if you look at other players in his age group who play in those positions, i.e. Reus, Gotze, Ozil, Isco, Hazard I think you'll find that the attributes needed to play in those positions are of a much higher standard which is why I say he's more suited to the 6/8 positions. so essentially you don't believe he's good enough to play that role, n his skillset is more suited to 6/8 positions.. interesting  /  oh so enlightened one TF S4DK, what's your take on all this? how do u rate our jack Yeah, I mean how much Dortmund have you managed to watch? Like I mentioned, Gundogan is the mirror template of what happened with Wilshere & what he can become. Gundogan came up as a proper #10, but had other qualities that were more suited to a deeper position & over time, was developed more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Jack has never been a and never will be a #10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young £ Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Mike  veratti is better technician than wilshere  shouldnt be disagreeing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kane Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Mike  veratti is better technician than wilshere  shouldnt be disagreeing I didn't disagree straight up, I just said I'm not too sure. Maybe I just need to see Verrati play more (I have seen him play various times though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest luckstar Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 wilshere shouldnt be in the team right now  should be sold to city for 40 milllion  would bite their fucking arm off at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badman Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Planet Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I think he's trying to suggest the Wilshire hype should be over His game is still slack at the moment Selling him is a tad extreme though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afroman Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Kids too rash.. Probably more to do with age. But he is on track to cost us a few games & red card at least  He needs a solid dm next to him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattsu Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 talented  but can't be playing him in a midfield with no runner ,most imporantly he needs somebody to tell him he's not superman  wenger needs to decied on what jack's actual role is too he isnt no 10 yet  put him back wide imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearless-Guy Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 cant play wilshere and ramsey next to each other again, positionally they have no clue how to defend its always reactive and no anticipation of danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuffir Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 cant play wilshere and ramsey next to each other again, positionally they have no clue how to defend its always reactive and no anticipation of danger  we could if we signed a big able bodied dm  rather than arteta  arsenal is a catalogue of mistakes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 cant play wilshere and ramsey next to each other again, positionally they have no clue how to defend its always reactive and no anticipation of danger Wilshere and Ramsey together is a recipe for disaster this is what I meant when I said you lot need to respect Arteta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuffir Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 the arteta signing never made sense to me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Planet Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 What's wrong with you? Â Do you watch football? Â You're sending for Arteta as if to suggest Agbonlahor would have still been allowed to run through our midfield like so on Saturday if he had played. Â Arteta has been an outstanding success, he is positionally astute, protects the back four well, we simply need to replicate a player of his qualities with potentially more defensive credentials and maybe a better eye for a forward pass. Â More stability and sensibility than Song, just lacks the forward passes and tbh I'd rather he didn't do that anyway and give possession back after some poor movement upfront. Â He is our last problem, it is his absence which is the issue which has been improperly addressed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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