After what's just happened? Hell no @ Faze
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which is the exact reason i think it could happen,
20 years of training from fergie, no player can chat to him experience / honours wise. Scholes as assistant, one of the most respected footballers in prem history.
Nobody knows united better, he defines the 'united way'
He is probably one of the biggest reasons Moyes is gone imo, you know he just didnt rate...
Employing anybody else would be a much greater risk imo
Aslong as the next manager comes in and values Giggs experience and what he brings to the club as a whole, there should be no issues.
Never, ever, ever underestimate Ryan Giggs. All the talk is of experienced, charismatic European managers to succeed David Moyes as the manager of Manchester United, men such as Jürgen Klopp, but at some point at Old Trafford, Giggs will be manager. It is his destiny.
He has worked hard on his Pro-Licence, getting “badged up” in dressing-room parlance. He studied Sir Alex Ferguson for 20 years, and Moyes for a few months, absorbing lessons, good and bad.He is ambitious. And now with Moyes dismissed, United’s board have placed the side in the tender hands of Giggs, assisted by Nicky Butt, and the club should consider adding the support of René Meulensteen.United were always going to be the poorer the moment Moyes signalled that he did not want to retain the Dutchman’s coaching expertise and wisdom. Meulensteen has strong opinions and will voice them. Nobody did that to Moyes, who made unchecked mistakes from dugout to press conference.Installing a Giggs-Butt caretaker axis gives United’s board time to find a successor. It also gives the board an opportunity to have a look at Giggs in the role, to assess the reaction of fans and players.“Management does interest me,’’ Giggs told me once. When I asked what a Giggs team would be like, he smiled: “I would like a few wingers in there.’’The emphasis would be on attack, on adventure, on taking on opponents, on raging against the ticking clock and unflattering scorelines, on never giving up. On reverting to the Ferguson way, the United way, after the timidity of Moyes. There would be no deference to rivals from Giggs in his pre-match utterances, a Moyes weakness that has infuriated United followers.There would be no fear of the media; I helped give him a mock press conference during his Pro-Licence studies at St George’s Park and he just could not be caught out. He was polite, controlled, confident. He was in charge. He knew all the ruses; he had watched the laird and master, Ferguson, in action for a couple of decades.Could he handle the pressure? Yes. This is a man who has lived in the public’s scrutiny since his teenaged years and remained sane, whose private life was all over the front pages and yet he remains grounded, if occasionally guarded, with those new to his company.Otherwise, he is good, frank company. A rare coffee with Giggs is a privilege, an education and a reminder of his managerial potential. It is in his eyes. There is a hardness there, an unrequited hunger for more success. It might stem from his early years, from growing up without a father figure because of the estrangement between his parents.The father figure in Giggs’s life was a manager, a Scot who protected him, chastised him, and helped him fulfil his dreams. The role of the manager is huge for Giggs. No wonder he sees his next job in the dugout. Carrington and Old Trafford are his homes.He has absorbed knowledge from Ferguson down the years, heard the team-talks and noted how Ferguson knew the names of all the staff at Carrington, the names of the schoolboys breaking through, even their parents’ names. He really knows only one manager – the best.Giggs’s thirst for knowledge has always kept him ahead of the rest, kept him playing into his 40s, and set him on the path to management. He talks to United’s sports scientists on a daily basis, anything to extend his career and understand players better.He speaks to the coaches. He works with the players, taking delight in Adnan Januzaj’s hunger to learn. They have talked of the skills required to take on full-backs, the strength needed off the field to deal with the limelight. Giggs is already shaping United’s future.Now embarked on the player-coaching journey, Giggs is still a fighter, still moaning in the dressing-room, admitting that if “someone’s made a mistake, I’ll let them know”, shouting “what were you thinking?’’If Giggs talks, players listen. He commands respect. Partly it is his delivery, which brooks no argument, but it is also the playing pedigree of a man who has won 13 Premier Leagues, four FA Cups, four League Cups and two Champions Leagues, whose blood runs United red.Great players do not often make great managers. Being able to do skills instinctively is no preparation for explaining them. Legends often lack patience with lesser footballing mortals. Appointing Giggs would run against accepted footballing practice yet there is something special about him, something that radiates “unfinished business” with United.Meulensteen has never been in any doubt that Giggs possesses the skills-set to dominate a dugout and shape a team’s fortunes with his nous rather than his feet.“Without a shadow of doubt Giggs can be a manager,’’ Meulensteen told me in February. “He’s got enormous knowledge about the game."He’s a very good thinker. He’ll be a very shrewd decision maker. He’s tough. Believe me, Giggs is tough. He’ll handle the media and the stress with ease. It’s about getting the right guys about him.’’Meulensteen could do that. As a short-term double act, with Butt assisting, it could just work.
which is the exact reason i think it could happen,
20 years of training from fergie, no player can chat to him experience / honours wise. Scholes as assistant, one of the most respected footballers in prem history.
Nobody knows united better, he defines the 'united way'
He is probably one of the biggest reasons Moyes is gone imo, you know he just didnt rate...
Employing anybody else would be a much greater risk imo
United NEED a big name manager. I think Giggs as a No.2 would be a good idea. United need that Van Gaal character, a guy who is going to come in for a few years. set things right again then chip leaving it to a long term character. United can't afford to risk it on Giggs right now, especially if they want to get back to normality and soon.
Between Ancelotti and Van Gaal with the latter the front runner.
Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs still seeks perfection as he prepares for Cardiff return ahead of 40th
Welsh icon enters his fifth decade determined to improve his game and set the standard at Old TraffordThe man who has won 13 Premier Leagues, four FA Cups, four League Cups and two Champions Leagues, who has scored 168 goals in 951 games for Manchester United, is busy working out how he can deal with his mother’s text requesting “five tickets for Sunday”. It’s Cardiff City, the place of his birth. “It’s emotional," Giggs admits. And next Friday, he turns 40. “It’s just another day," Giggs says.It’s a remarkable landmark but it’s still all about the next game for Giggs. “It’s sad because as a footballer you don’t really take a lot of it in with birthdays and Christmas. Usually you’re in training. Christmas Day I’ll be in a hotel in Hull. It’s what I’m used to. I’ve been doing it for 22 years."He’s still driven. “I’m always trying to improve myself, never settling for playing just well. Constantly, every season, I’m questioning the sports scientists and coaches so I can get better. I know the feeling of letting myself down and not producing on a Saturday and I always want to prepare myself to play well.“I’ve never been one to think ‘that was good’. I’m always looking forward. We finish a game, and it’s ‘right, great result, who’ve we got Wednesday? Get yourself ready for Wednesday’. I probably don’t get to enjoy football as much as I could. I enjoy it for a split second, then I’m on to the next game.“I still get angry in the dressing-room. I’ll shout. I’m a moaner. If someone’s made a mistake, I’ll let them know – ‘what were you thinking?’ - because I feel that’s my job. I hope they learn from that. It made me stronger when Bryan Robson and the others did it to me when I was starting out. I remember sitting on the coach, thinking ‘this is the end of the world, the Gaffer [Alex Ferguson] has had a go at me, we’ve just got beaten and I’ve missed a chance and he’s not going to play me next week’. Robbo would come up and say: ‘Don’t listen to him, you’re young, you’ll make mistakes, just come back the next game’.“This has been the perfect club for me, the perfect manager, giving young players a chance. He recognised the history of the club and could foresee young players playing in the first team from seeing them in the youth team. ‘Just do what you’ve been doing in the youth team,’ he told me."Now a player-coach, Giggs is sitting in a side-room at Carrington, still lean, still defying time. He has only really noticed the passing years through watching his children, Libby and Zach, “growing up really quick, physically and with their personalities”. He continues: “Zach plays football. I try to do as much as I can with him, get in the garden, play with him. It’s hard work! Thank God for granddad! He takes over the coaching! Zach’s at a United Academy, goes once a week on a Friday, plays with school on a Saturday.“I don’t want him playing matches at the moment. I just want him to enjoy it. He’s seven. I was playing with my mates until 13-14 at Salford Boys. I said to some of the lads [coaches] here at the Academy: ‘I don’t want him playing in games until he’s 10’. They said: ‘The problem with that is he’ll be playing catch-up with lads who’ve done it since five or six.’ I got that. It’s a balance. They do great stuff at all the club Academies now.“I played every sport which I’m encouraging my kids to do. Zach plays football, tennis. My daughter does horse riding, dancing, netball, lacrosse, cross-country. I loved every sport and that helped me with my football. I was a stand-off at rugby league playing against props physically bigger than me. That helped make me able to take the battering. When I started out, a defender would want to put his marker down early on. They’d be allowed a free hit by the refs. My first game [in 1991] I came on up front against Everton and Dave Watson went right through the back of me. I wasn’t intimidated physically even though I wasn’t a Wayne Rooney at 18 where he was built strong.“This Sheffield United right-back was kicking me in one game, giving me a few verbals and it affected me a little bit. I said to Robbo: ‘That right-back’s just said he’s going to break my legs.’ Robbo said: ‘Did he? You come and play centre-midfield. I’m going to play left wing for 10 minutes.’ We swapped positions. Robbo soon came back: ‘Aye, you’re all right now, go back over’. Problem solved! I had this mentality that if Robson was playing we’d never lose. We usually won. He had that authority. He’d tell me when I was not passing enough or dribbling too much. Him and Brucey [steve Bruce] were brilliant for me.“I’ve just been in Dubai and saw Brucey. That ‘94 side had characters, men. It had power and pace. We’d football you to death, we’d fight you to death, it didn’t really matter to us, we’d beat you. We had players like Incey [Paul Ince] who’d drag the team over the finishing line, just immense. There are definitely fewer leaders now. I’m doing my Pro-licence and we talk about the game missing characters like Tony Adams, Robbo, Brucey, Keane - leaders. There are still those sort of players like Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney and John Terry." But not enough.That '94 team had Eric Cantona. “Because Eric had that aura, and obviously with what he did on the pitch, everyone from the outside looked at him as completely different but within the dressing-room, he was one of the lads. Brucey, Keany, Incey would all take the mick out of him just like any other team-mate."Cantona helped develop a United generation. “If you’re an apprentice coming off the pitch, and you see Cantona practising his volleys and shooting, you think ‘he’s a top player, he wants to stay at the top, so you still practise’. But the likes of Beckham, Neville, Scholes, Butt were already doing that. It wasn’t a case where everyone went home and didn’t train until they saw Eric. It was built in us from Eric Harrison that you practise, practise, practise. My crossing was crap when I was younger. I wanted to improve my crossing."Crosses rained in from Giggs on the left, soon from David Beckham on the right. “Beckham was mentally strong as well as a great player. In ‘98, ‘99, 2000, he was definitely top three in the world. How many players tried to keep him on his left foot? Still he would get a yard and whip it in on to the head of Yorkey, Coley or Teddy."For all the spotlight on Beckham, his United team-mates kept him grounded. “It was probably similar to Eric. Becks was in the right place. We’d take the mick out of him. We’d go to grounds where there would be banners with ‘I Love You David’ and we’d say ‘Becks, we can’t go anywhere’. After the ‘98 World Cup [dismissal], we’d say: ‘I’m not sitting next to you on the coach, I’m not walking out with you from the coach. You go out and then we’ll come after!’ For him, it was relaxing. ‘I’m with my mates’." Giggs had a close-up of the decline of Beckham’s relationship with Ferguson, particularly the flying boot. “I was right next to him! It whizzed past me."Giggs talks of others he has played with and against. “We’d have shooting sessions with Wales. Neville Southall was like Peter Schmeichel. He’d be laughing as he punched shots away from the top corner - ‘You’re not going to beat me today!’ Ian Rush impressed me with the little diagonal runs and the finishing. He was like Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, right foot, left foot, bottom corner. Gareth Bale’s similar to Cristiano Ronaldo: power, physique, exciting.“Paolo Montero and Ciro Ferrara of Juventus were the toughest defenders I played against. It was: ‘The ball might go past us but you’re not’. It was old school. I remember at Old Trafford once, starting out on the right, cutting in, beating two Juventus players and I could see Montero. I cut inside him and he just lifted his leg up and I went flying. I looked up and he was just jogging back. It was nothing to him. I don’t think he even got booked.“That Juventus side of Alen Boksic and Alessandro Del Piero were like us, powerful and quick. I loved going toe to toe with them. They weren’t into a slow build-up. They were such a ‘British’ side really, and you’re probably seeing an emergence of that now with Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund - power and skill as well.“But the Barcelona team who beat us at Wembley were the best I played against. They had Lionel Messi, the best I’ve seen. Diego Maradona is my favourite because I’ve great memories of him growing up: left foot, great balance, getting kicked, doing it in World Cups. I have a special feeling for Maradona. With Messi, you can say ‘keep him on his right foot’, but he always seems to get on his left foot. He’s just brilliant. You can’t kick him. You can’t rattle him. He just gets on with it.“You could probably wind Cristiano up. He’s been rattled a few times. I do feel for him being at the same time as Messi but in my eyes he’s still a phenomenon, a brilliant talent. He’s done it in Portugal, in England and now in Spain. He’s not a Clive Allen or Tony Cottee. He’s not a goal-hanger. He’s a dribbler, a talented player, powerful, and just scores so many goals. When I take free-kicks, I try to spin it so it curves away from the keeper. Ronaldo hits the ball head on with no spin so the ball moves from side to side and the keeper doesn’t know where it’s going.“The top players – Messi, Ronaldo - ride the tackles. We are seeing it here with [Adnan] Januzaj. He’s slightly built, but he can ride tackles. He has that potential to be a top player. You don’t want to get too excited over him but he’s grounded and he’s at the right club."He watches Januzaj float past tackles as he did. “I’ve never been caught with that many bad tackles. It’s instinct; you just ride the tackle." Giggs himself was a noted tackler, arriving at speed to nick the ball. “It was like a slide tackle from the side. I used to let them go past me, knowing I could catch them. The problem now is I can’t catch them!“The art of tackling has changed. Players look for fouls now because they know they’re going to get them. You have to be careful. It’s still full on in training; we still clatter into each other, no shin-pads. Never! You get an eight-a-side, one team’s up and starting to take the p--- and the other team starts smashing them. It could be Wayne, it used to be Scholesy more often than not! Scholesy would just take someone out. In matches, he just wanted to let people know he was about. If you ask Scholesy he genuinely thinks he’s a good tackler. ‘I just mis-time it now and again.’ It wasn’t ‘I’ll dip my toe in.’ It was the way he would sprint up to it: sometimes he got the ball, sometimes he didn’t."He needed watching. “Sometimes you go out at training, need the toilet, and just nip into the bushes but you have to think: ‘Where’s Scholesy? Has he got a ball?’ He’d try and hit you. Usually Gaz Neville got it." There was always the feeling that Scholes was not properly appreciated by England. “Well, here he was. We built a team around him; he had the ideal partners, Butt, Keane, next to him. They were brilliant for him.“The running theme here is strong mentality. Robin [van Persie] is world-class. It gave us a lift when he came. From the first moment in training, when he got the ball, it was ‘yes, he’s a player’. He would sometimes not have great games last year but he’d score the winner. Similar to Eric. Give him the ball. I always used to think that at Arsenal ‘why is your centre-forward taking the corners?’ He came to us and we had our best return, scoring from corners last year.“Wayne’s like Cristiano – a powerful, brilliant goalscorer, turning and running at players. He’s fit, hungry and happy. He’s phenomenal." When Rooney was unsettled in the summer, Giggs talked to him. “I’m the sort of person where I give people their space and respect them but I let him know I wanted him to stay: ‘This is the place for you. Bobby Charlton’s goalscoring record is in your sights. That’s an unbelievable record. Do you really not want to take that chance?"Rooney has stayed but the game continues to change. “The big problem I have is we’d get on the coach and talk about the game [in the past]. You rarely talk about the game now. You ask all the older pros. The younger players now are straight on the phone, Twitter, whatever. When I first started, Paul Parker was probably the only one with a mobile - a big brick! You’d talk about the game, good or bad. I wouldn’t say it’s had an effect on the team spirit. There’s always been a good team spirit here. Sometimes they’re all linked up on the coach, all playing computer games against each other, so there’s a bit of team spirit there. You get on the plane for European trips, and the lads are playing Call Of Duty, six v six. So there’s banter there, and they talk about it for the rest of the day.“I could never see myself on Twitter. Players are human. If you’re going to get some stick it’s going to affect you. If it’s in the paper you don’t have to read it. If you’ve got to be on Twitter so many times a day you’ve got to look at the abuse which can’t be nice.“In Europe for some reason I get a really good reception, no matter where I go. I get it in Italy. I’ve had it from Athletic Bilbao and Real Madrid fans. I was in London the other week and a cabbie said: ‘I’m a West Ham fan but you’re my favourite player.’ West Ham! Where any United team get abused! I’d love to point him out in the crowd and say ‘you’re abusing me now!’ I hear a lot more [remarks in matches] as I get older, taking corners, hearing the odd funny one and I chuckle to myself. ‘You’re finished’. ‘Too old’. ‘Get your walking stick out!’ Liverpool aren’t too bad actually. I hope they respect me. I respect Liverpool. I’ve always thought Anfield was the toughest game. United fans respect someone like Gerrard. Generally, footballing fans appreciate good players."His style of play draws admiration. So does a good disciplinary record; he has been sent off only once, for Wales. “I got fined for [the dispute between] Martin Keown versus Van Nistelrooy. I was sticking up for Ruud! He got away with it!"A one-word message comes through from David Moyes: “Bikes". It’s time for Giggs to return to training, to that fight against time. Surely, he will mark his 40th? “I celebrated it early. I went away last month with family and friends, 30 of us, to Gleneagles." And then? Back on with focusing on the next game.That means Cardiff this Sunday. “I never thought it would happen that I’d play at Cardiff. For me to play in my home city, and hopefully start, it would be brilliant. It’s emotional. I’ve had texts all week. My mum texted me today: ‘I need five tickets for Sunday’. ‘Oh, all right! OK!’ It’s great." Another day, another challenge.
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Manchester United legend Ryan Giggs was backed by an unlikely ally after he stepped temporarily into the Old Trafford hot seat today following the sacking of David Moyes.
His younger brother Rhodri – who labelled him “a worm, a weasel and a bottler” after he had an affair with his wife Natasha – gave him the thumbs-up on Twitter.The FC United footballer, 37, discussed Giggs’ appointment as interim manager at Old Trafford with his 12,000 followers.He was asked by one fan: “Do you agree or not on your bro’s appointment, and do you back him?” and “Will your brother be a good manager?”, and replied “yes” to both.When one fan joked: “Go be his assistant”, Rhodri laughed back: “My wages would be too high plus I’m an FC United player.”And when another backed Ryan to reunite a fractured dressing room, saying: “He will have the respect from the off give you that.. Get the old back room staff in & maybe it could work,” Rhodri, replied with a ‘thumbs-up’ symbol.When told "you should knock him out to be fair”, Rhodri hinted the feud could be easing by replying: "Naa be too easy that, been there done that."The brothers’ relationship hit rock bottom in 2011 when Ryan’s eight-year affair with his sister-in-law Natasha, was uncovered.
In that Van Gaal philosophy video he talks about always keeping someone from the old coaching staff when he joins a new club. Meulensteen taking his old job back, Giggs assistant manager and Van Gaal as the gaffer would be the ideal set up. Once Van Gaal has laid out a solid infrastructure like he did at Barcelona and Bayern he can step aside and let Giggs takeover.
Man said been there done that pmsl
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Overkill?
Who would take Jose?
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Who would take Jose?
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Leeeave it
Who would take Jose?
In terms of character he's the perfect replacement for Ferguson, it was obvious he wanted the job as well but for he was overlooked.
I'm pretty sure he'll fall out with Abramovic within the next few years but the window for him at you lot has probably passed.
Whats the negs for?
He's won every poll on Utd forums by looooong distance.
I don't want him
He's said he wishes we asked when he was free.
He'd be here like a shot if Roman free'd him
I was only wondering who would take him. Klopp not interested. Ancellotti is dead. Blanc is dead. Simeone can't speak English. LVG is a nutter.
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anyone else think Giggs is in a serious chance with the permanent role?
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Thizz
Yep.
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This United dressing room is really toxic isn't it. Shame there wasn't any stories on it whilst it was happening.
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Heero Yuy
After what's just happened? Hell no @ Faze
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