The Official Manchester United Thread

[LS]

We were always 3rd favourites with bookies.

His issue is he's continuously trying to lower expectations because he like most other people realise the team is lacking some quality.

He needs to find a better way of doing it though as his comments don't come across very well.

 

Agree with you about him lowering expectations but it's nothing to do with you lacking in quality, it's just what Moyes has always done.

 

Whenever there was a level of expectation at Everton he'd always do his best to downplay it because when he isn't the underdog he's completely outside his comfort zone.

 

It's not that he's a bad manager it's just that he's a shockingly bad fit for you or any other club that has a high level of expectation. 

 

Sound's like Harry

 

When we were winning, he said we can win the league.  When we flopped, he said only idiots thought we would finish higher than 4th.  Certain managers can't deal with expectations 

[Flojo]

 

We were always 3rd favourites with bookies.

His issue is he's continuously trying to lower expectations because he like most other people realise the team is lacking some quality.

He needs to find a better way of doing it though as his comments don't come across very well.

 

Agree with you about him lowering expectations but it's nothing to do with you lacking in quality, it's just what Moyes has always done.

 

Whenever there was a level of expectation at Everton he'd always do his best to downplay it because when he isn't the underdog he's completely outside his comfort zone.

 

It's not that he's a bad manager it's just that he's a shockingly bad fit for you or any other club that has a high level of expectation. 

 

Sound's like Harry

 

When we were winning, he said we can win the league.  When we flopped, he said only idiots thought we would finish higher than 4th.  Certain managers can't deal with expectations 

 

Expectation weighs heavy for some man, Hodgson struggled with us for the exact same reason and rolled out the same bullshit lines to try and lower expectations.

 

I remember when we beat a Turkish team in the Europa (maybe Trabzonspor) and he had the cheek to say this will go down as a famous victory in Turkey for Liverpool. We won the fucking CL in the most memorable final in decades in Instanbul and he's trying to talk up a group game against Trabzonspor as a famous victory.

 

Some managers just aren't meant to move up a level, Moyes fits in that bracket imo.

[Horatio Caine]

People talking about Rene, he wasn't sacked or shown the door, he was offered jobs emphasis on job(s) at the club but decided to walk.

Issue is Fergie didn't use to feature in the training ground on a day to day basis, so Rene ran things. Whereas Moyes is a hands on manager/coach. When Moyes was appointed any job would've been a demotion for Rene.

yeah but komp surely , u will keep him at least for a year knowing u dont know the players strengths and weaknesses.....

[Horatio Caine]

who should manage united next season ?

 

my shortlist is:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6 Realistic young managers

gary would be nice still....

[Gambino]

Neville or Klopp from that list.

[Agony]

Would be happy with anyone from that shortlist but if I had to pick 1 I'd go with Klopp although it would be interesting to see United playing a 3-5-2 under Conte.

[Kompressor]

Moyes will be in the job for the duration of his contract as long as he: 1.maintains a good relationship with Alex Ferguson, 2.Delivers Champions league qualification for each season. 3.tows the company line on the transfer policy.

Does anyone think Mourinho for instance would've kept as quiet while Woodward bumbled and fumbled his way through this summer?

AVB has just seen Spurs back him immensely over the summer, if he's smart and potential offer will be given a wide berth.

Don't know too much about De Boer's situation.

The madman at Dortmund is a good shout but he'd probably say the wrong things and upset people.

Conte is a Juve man and is building something strong there.

Neville is an interesting candidate.

All this is elementary though as Moyes will do enough to stay in a job.

I've heard a lot of people saying things like Moyes is a sideman/he plays down expectation/he's happy with mediocrity and so on. All those are fine observations but they are observations that were probably taken into account and probably swung things in his favour when Fergie's successor was chosen.

January will be big. Until then the sim should be to qualify for the next stage of the Champions league and at least keep in touching distance of the top of the league.

[Kompressor]

People talking about Rene, he wasn't sacked or shown the door, he was offered jobs emphasis on job(s) at the club but decided to walk.

Issue is Fergie didn't use to feature in the training ground on a day to day basis, so Rene ran things. Whereas Moyes is a hands on manager/coach. When Moyes was appointed any job would've been a demotion for Rene.

yeah but komp surely , u will keep him at least for a year knowing u dont know the players strengths and weaknesses.....

Rene was asked to stay on, he didn't want to ad he either knew or was told his role was going to be reduced. He was offered jobs he chose not to take them.

[darkman]

 

People talking about Rene, he wasn't sacked or shown the door, he was offered jobs emphasis on job(s) at the club but decided to walk.

Issue is Fergie didn't use to feature in the training ground on a day to day basis, so Rene ran things. Whereas Moyes is a hands on manager/coach. When Moyes was appointed any job would've been a demotion for Rene.

yeah but komp surely , u will keep him at least for a year knowing u dont know the players strengths and weaknesses.....

Rene was asked to stay on, he didn't want to ad he either knew or was told his role was going to be reduced. He was offered jobs he chose not to take them.

 

He was asked to coach the youths after being involved with the first team for a number of years. It's no wonder he walked away

[Horatio Caine]

thats what i saying....

 

 

 

Ronaldo’s rise accelerated under Sir Alex Ferguson and the coach Rene Meulensteen at Manchester United particularly at the start of the attacker’s phenomenal 2007-08 season.

“Don’t underestimate the importance of the manager, the father figure,” emphasised Meulensteen on the shaping of the then 22-year-old Ronaldo, “but it’s also about details.

"That season we won the Champions League, at the beginning, Ronaldo was suspended for three games [after being sent off at Portsmouth], so I stayed behind to work with him. I knew what Ronaldo wanted. He wanted to be the best player in the world. I told him: ‘I can help you with that. There’s nothing wrong with your work ethic, it’s a wave pushing you forward.’ So I drew this diagram for him, pointing out his details as a player.

 

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“There’s the ‘tactical’ bit, awareness, understanding, decision-making. There’s the ‘physical’; everyone has his peak fitness, especially Ronaldo, his pace, strength, stamina and agility. There’s the ‘personality’, winning mentality and attitude. The last bit is ‘technical’, the basics, passing, shooting, moves, turns, and other skills to dominate the one to one. I asked Ronaldo: ‘Where are you good at?’ He said: ‘Skills.’ ‘OK, so with one-touch and two-touch play, plus the moves you have, will make you unpredictable and therefore very hard to defend against.’“

Meulensteen addressed another issue. “I told him: ‘The problem is also your attitude and therefore your decision-making. At the moment you’re playing to put yourself into the limelight, to say “look at me, how good I am”. Therefore, Mr Ronaldo, you are doing a lot that doesn’t mean anything for your team-mates’. He accepted this. I said: ‘You need to score more goals. Targets, aims.

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"Cristiano, I’ve looked at your goals last season, and you only scored 23 because you want to score the perfect goal all the time. ‘Look at me! Top corner!’ The most important individuals are the ones who elevate the team, not themselves. You think it’s the other way round. No, no, no. Elevate the team and the team will then elevate you.’”

The Dutchman asked United’s No 7 to set a goal target. “Ronaldo said: ‘I think I can score between 30 and 35 goals.’ ‘OK,’ I said. ‘I think you can go over 40. This week, in these training sessions, I’m going to work on your way of finishing.’”

They first discussed Ronaldo’s mindset when approaching goal. “I told him: ‘Look at Shearer, Lineker, Solskjaer and Van Nistelrooy: who say give me the ball, that goes in the back of the net.’“

Ronaldo was focused more on the spectacular. “He was thinking: ‘That ball comes to me, I hit it top corner.’ I needed him to get out of that. I told him: ‘It doesn’t matter how you score, where you score, as long as the ball goes in the net.’” It was time to score ugly goals as well as beautiful ones.

“We worked on positions, which zone he was in, 1 (in front of goal), 2 (to the sides) or 3 (further out). We worked on what type of finish. One-touch. Do you need to control it? Volley it. Pass it in. Side-foot it in. Chip it in. We worked on certain goalkeepers. Did they have a certain trend? It’s details. When [post-Ronaldo] we played Schalke away in the Champions League semi [in 2011], we knew that Manuel Neuer, a good goalkeeper, was like Peter Schmeichel and would come out with a star jump [spreading himself]. So we worked on finishes low to either side, low through the legs.’’ Ryan Giggs scored.

Back in that early-season period at Carrington in 2007, Meulensteen and Ronaldo worked on different goalscoring scenarios every day but with one staple for each drill. “It was four repetitions, move on, four repetitions, move on,” Meulensteen explained. “That’s what I’ve learned from experience. People hold their concentration for 1 2 3 4 Bang.’’

Ronaldo was educated to create an image of the situation and the desired outcome: “Where am I [position]? Where’s the ball coming from? Where’s the goalkeeper? Where’s the finish?” Meulensteen gave colours to the four corners of the goal. “Cristiano had his back to the goal. He had to shout which colour, green whichever, he was aiming for, so subconsciously working his brain. He knew his target in advance.’’

By the end of January, Ronaldo had scored 27 for United. “You have to reset your target because you have already achieved it,’’ Meulensteen said to Ronaldo at Carrington. “You can now do two things, you can take your foot off the pedal, say ‘I’m happy with this’, or break your personal best and then you have March, April, May to come and that’s when these things are won.” Ronaldo was determined to continue his upward trajectory. “Now we worked on ‘attitude’,’’ continued Meulensteen.

“I put a video together for him about top professionals like Muhammad Ali, Pele with little quotes from them. ‘Just have a look at this video,’ I told him, ‘I know you have a big TV. Read the clips. It will put you in good stead.’ There were little quotes about hard work and focus: focus on performance rather than outcome, focus on putting your qualities for the team and also body language. There were loads of times with Cristiano when he shrugged his shoulders, so I put a video clip together.”

The clips were of Ronaldo’s body language. “Do you realise how important an impact body language and facial expressions have on the millions watching?’’ Meulensteen asked Ronaldo at Carrington one day. “What do you mean?’’ Ronaldo replied.

Meulensteen continued: “Do you remember the goal you scored against Sporting [Lisbon on Nov 27, 2007] at home, the free-kick? You turned around to the camera, and did this [spreads hands out]? What were you trying to say? Sorry? Or were you trying to say ‘look at me, nobody else can do that’?’’

One of United’s kit-men was present.

“I asked him what he thought the gesture meant,” Meulensteen recalled.

“I’m the best,” was the kit-man’s take on Ronaldo’s stance. So Meulensteen turned to Ronaldo and said: “That’s what the millions think. They look at you as arrogant. You do the same thing when you get hacked down, ‘ahhh’, toys out the pram: ‘You can’t kick me, I’m Cristiano Ronaldo.’ You need to learn to play football the way Bjorn Borg and Roger Federer play tennis. Ice-cold. The moment people stop kicking you is because they’ve found another way to stop you. You want people to kick you. You need to make sure you see it coming. Make sure you’re clever’.”

It was back to the video-room. “I showed him clips of Johan Cruyff, an expert at avoiding tackles. He saw them coming, would change direction, and people would slide in front of him. I told Cristiano: ‘The most important thing is your facial expression, don’t react at all. Stand up, brush yourself off, and that defender thinks, ‘what can I do next?’ Overpower him with your qualities as a footballer, belittle him with your skill. You’re in control, not someone else.’

“If you look back to the season, he was tremendous. He scored 42 goals. Look back to the Champions League final: he scored the header, fantastic, apart from one moment when he let himself down, the [missed] penalty. That’s when Ronaldo thought: ‘It all comes down to me, that’s what I want.’ What happens? He loses focus. I mentioned it to him afterwards but he knew.”

So what of Bale’s arrival at the Bernabéu? “I don’t think it will affect him [Ronaldo] that much,” Meulensteen said. “In my opinion, Bale is nowhere near on the same level, absolutely not. Ronaldo is a far more complete player. Bale will still be important. He has time to settle in. It will make Real Madrid stronger, even more powerful. But if for whatever reason Bale came and Ronaldo would leave it would make Real Madrid weaker.

[JOHN DOE]

words cannot explain how much i hate phil neville

 

his face his hair they way his mouth is always open and now how he always has some notepad to write his shitty notes in 

 

this is not acceptable

 

/

 

apprently rene could be manager of fulham if jol goes

[Horatio Caine]

who do u guys think we should go for next summer??

[JOHN DOE]

he will be with us next summer

[Horatio Caine]

na i mean players,my bad

[Lieutenant]

Gary Neville would be an interesting choice IMO although I'm not sure I would be comfortable with him going straight in

Perhaps he could've been no2 to David Moist or first team coach or whatever to gain some experience in that position then take over in a couple years

Maybe that's what they're earmarking Phillip for

[Kompressor]

 

People talking about Rene, he wasn't sacked or shown the door, he was offered jobs emphasis on job(s) at the club but decided to walk.

Issue is Fergie didn't use to feature in the training ground on a day to day basis, so Rene ran things. Whereas Moyes is a hands on manager/coach. When Moyes was appointed any job would've been a demotion for Rene.

yeah but komp surely , u will keep him at least for a year knowing u dont know the players strengths and weaknesses.....

Rene was asked to stay on, he didn't want to ad he either knew or was told his role was going to be reduced. He was offered jobs he chose not to take them.

 

He was asked to coach the youths after being involved with the first team for a number of years. It's no wonder he walked away

He wasn't only offered one job. From

What I understand having him in charge of the youth setup was the final offer.

[JOHN DOE]

shouldve been him to become manager - that way things wouldnt have changed so dramatically 

[Horatio Caine]

id love to see anderson play as a AM tho man....his driving runs n all

[Michel Kane]

I know the love for Rene is a lot but there's a difference between a coach & a manager.

Rene hasn't demonstrated anything thus far to suggest he'd excel as the latter for United.

[Michel Kane]

Moyes will be in the job for the duration of his contract as long as he: 1.maintains a good relationship with Alex Ferguson, 2.Delivers Champions league qualification for each season. 3.tows the company line on the transfer policy.

Does anyone think Mourinho for instance would've kept as quiet while Woodward bumbled and fumbled his way through this summer?

AVB has just seen Spurs back him immensely over the summer, if he's smart and potential offer will be given a wide berth.

Don't know too much about De Boer's situation.

The madman at Dortmund is a good shout but he'd probably say the wrong things and upset people.

Conte is a Juve man and is building something strong there.

Neville is an interesting candidate.

All this is elementary though as Moyes will do enough to stay in a job.

I've heard a lot of people saying things like Moyes is a sideman/he plays down expectation/he's happy with mediocrity and so on. All those are fine observations but they are observations that were probably taken into account and probably swung things in his favour when Fergie's successor was chosen.

January will be big. Until then the sim should be to qualify for the next stage of the Champions league and at least keep in touching distance of the top of the league.

Situation with De Boer is similar to that of Conte.

He's fully looking to place Ajax amongst the elite & if he left for any other team in the near future, it would be Barcelona.

[Kompressor]

Which is why Fergie didn't suggest him. If Fergie believed Rene was even marginally as ideal a candidate as Moyes he would've suggested it, as the nice would've been a lot more straightforward.

[Michel Kane]

I think at this point even Fulham MAY be too big of a job for him.

He should go manage a club in Holland, Portugal or France first, a mid/low tier club in Germany, Italy or Spain.