The Official Manchester United Thread

[Michel Kane]

serious ????

 

if united hired g.nev or someone k cool 

 

but lol 

 

anyway as has been said before the players will go before the manager 

My point was, it has never to do with a lack of silverware, he isn't the right manager because his coaching/playing philosophy isn't one that falls in line with United.

And the fact his man-management skills & tactical skills are very questionable.

[Michel Kane]

Just clocked something.

Moyes suggested they would it hard for Newcastle for to play today...with a 4-4-2.

Fxcking hell.

[TF S4DK]

[Benicio del Toney]

Putting Moyes in charge of Man Utd is like putting Arthur Daley in charge of Nasdaq.

[WhiteTT]

fak..

[i5_PRODUCER]

Walking into a barbershop after a united game will never be the same...#laughingstock

[Horatio Caine]

it hurts man..... 

 

the players confidence looks shot....

[Kompressor]

yh we have been punching opbove our weight with a mediocre squad  but the fact cannnot be ignored that bar the addition of one player ,this is the same team that won the league by 11 points

 

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post on another forum from an everton supporter

 

Another Everton fan here. I’m not here to gloat. I’m here to dispel the notion that David Moyes worked miracles for us. First of all, his appointment as Everton manager was to keep us from being relegated in our darkest times financially. His mentality at Everton was one that focused more on negating the opposition rather than attacking them. In other words, he was a lot more like Tony Pulis than Sir Alex Ferguson. His substitutions were highly reactive, rather than proactive, and in 11 years at the helm of Everton, only mass injury could force him out of that completely uninspiring 4411 formation that we so rigidly adhered to and you’ve recently adopted. Our capitulation to the sky 4 over his tenure, particularly on the away grounds where he totaled 0 wins in 44 attempts was a disgrace. The argument that Moyes was some kind of miracle worker is the nonsense spouted by the pro Liverpool media to undermine their oldest rival’s status as a sleeping giant in world football. The truth is our wage bill during his tenure was around an average of 8th and the man broke our transfer record a whopping 4 times. Considering that we finished typically between 6th-8th, that’s not the remarkable achievement it’s made out to be. It’s just on par with our spending.

 

So what was Moyes good at? Buying players. Plain and simple. He has an excellent eye for young, underrated talent and gets them on the cheap with remarkable consistency. Seamus Coleman and Tim Cahill were purchased for a combined 200k. But having a eye for talent and integrating young talent into a cohesive unit that can compete in the top 4 or for the title is something entirely different. For years, I saw players with promise played out of position or not played at all in favor of has beens and never wases. His methods took us as far as we could go. And in essence, that was nowhere.

 

Let’s be real. Managers change the complexion of clubs. No team has the divine right to reside at any part of the table year in and year out. It is earned. Before SAF took over at Old Trafford, Everton had won more trophies than Manchester United. But special people change the course of history. SAF was a winner at Aberdeen before he even showed up for christ sake. Moyes proved that no matter what he did, he couldn’t win anything in over a decade with Everton. Moyes is nothing special. He never was. And your fan base is entirely correct in calling for a new manager because nothing but mediocrity will follow his tenure anywhere he goes

I addressed this, don't blame the under qualified under skilled Moyes for being appointed, blame the criteria and procedure that was used to appoint him.

I'll ask again, why wasnt Manchester United fighting it out with Bayern for Pep. Why wasn't they going in for one of the promising young managers from accross Europe?

Don't tell me, "the brief was for a British a manager" as this is not the case. Sven has gone public with the badly kept secret that he was in kind to take over in the early 2000's.

Join the dots. Under skilled squad + under skilled manager = shite in the short term. Long term who knows?

Under skilled squad + exceptional manager = progressive and optimistic views of the long term, Long term now looks good.

 

What is done is done

 

Ferguson appointed Moyes

 

By the time he announced he was retiring, Pep had long agreed to coach Bayern

 

Board didn't have the balls to go with someone like Conte or De Boer straight after Ferguson

 

Klopp on the other hand, I honestly dont know, can only be because he German and the Glazers wouldnt be able to control him

 

Moyes didn't have to accept it, he choose to accept it

 

Me or you accept a job offer tommorow, we cant blame head of recruitment for our performance 6 months down the line, its on us imo

 

This is on him

When Alex Ferguson announced he was retiring Pep has already agreed to manage Bayern. True. However I wonder if Feegie knew he'd be retiring when he met Pep in Autumn last year. Wonder what they spoke about.

I'd say Alex Ferguson knew full well he was going to retire or at least knew it was a big possibility. He sounded him out but Pep being a wise man didn't want to take on the replacement for Fergie job with those at his disposal.

Your last comment seems to suggest that in saying Moyes could blame the board for his failure, incorrect. I'm saying we as fans/customers/stakeholders should.

Had I been put in a position at work I was incapable of and duly flopped I'd expect the recruitment team to hold some stick.

To suggest Moyes should've said no to the job is plain stupid.

Asking him was arguably stupid him taking the job was the only feasible next step.

[Agony]

#MoyesEra

[Michel Kane]

Everton out-balling you at OT wasn't even that much of a surprise consider the personnel/Martinez but having Newcastle play head tennis in your midfield whilst 1-0 up is fxcking shocking.

[Agony]

According to Mark Lawrenson this morning RVP has made a transfer request last Tue. Maybe Mark should stop drinking….? http://t.co/Sxi8so1gPU

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

Really funny to see it took all these so-called 'football experts' several months to figure out it is a mission impossible at Man United.

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

If you appoint a coaching staff, that has never won anything, to manage players who have won almost everything, you're asking for trouble.

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

Besides Sir Alex, his coaching staff left as well. Why did Moyes not keep at least 1 of the coaches who had a deeper understanding of team?

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

Sir Alex is watching every game from the stands. This clearly does not make life any easier for Moyes. Sir Alex should know better. Or…?

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

It's clear that current coaching staff is tactically clueless. There is hardly any understanding between players. What is the playing style?

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

In 7 of 9 seasons at Everton: injury crisis after pre-season & very poor start of season. This pattern has clearly repeated itself at United

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

When I was watching United's training last July in Sydney, for me it was already clear that RVP would struggle with injuries this season

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

After missing 1st week of preseason, 30 hour flight & 9 hour time difference, RVP had to do extremely hard training once or even twice a day

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

One really wonders which idiot is responsible for this crazy training program. Anyway, United has paid a very high price for RVP's injuries.

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

Btw, how on earth did RVP play the full 90 minutes today after being injured for a month? Don't be surprised if RVP picks up new injury soon

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

Maybe so-called ‘football experts’ like Mark Lawrenson should have made the above analysis months ago instead of spreading stupid rumors?

— Raymond Verheijen (@raymondverheije) December 7, 2013

Raymond Verheijen>>>>>>

Can always count on him to free the realness about Jurassic Park FC.

[Davicious X]

Blaming Moyes is only part of the problem. Its not secret you have needed to plan for the next stage of your team. Scholes is gone, Giggs is, well his rating goes down every year, and where the hell are their replacements? 

 

2 most influential players in your team for the last decade have been on their way to retirement and nothing was done about it. Who exactly do you blame for the joke that is the manchester midfield now?

[Agony]

Blaming Moyes is only part of the problem. Its not secret you have needed to plan for the next stage of your team. Scholes is gone, Giggs is, well his rating goes down every year, and where the hell are their replacements? 

 

2 most influential players in your team for the last decade have been on their way to retirement and nothing was done about it. Who exactly do you blame for the joke that is the manchester midfield now?

Sir Alex "there's no value in the market" Ferguson, Moyes and the board are all to blame but the reality is even if we had 3 or 4 world class CMs in the squad Moyes would only play 2 of them in his favoured 4-4-2 formation and we'd still be dealing with same problem.

[Horatio Caine]

we wud play much better but yeah he wud def play 442.....

 

i cant stand out n out wingers anymore...time to change up

[gattsu]

Did Moyes not have an entire summer to find midfield players? united being weak centrally isn't some secret, yet he ends up paying 27 mill for Fellani on deadline day

[Marly Mar]

Cleverly is shite

[Lieutenant]

#MoyesEra

A foot shoulda been put in one of them mans chest

Fuck about

[Kompressor]

disgusting

reminds me of when paulo wanchope land fresh and started doing kick ups

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kompressor chats sh*t

moyes was a bait bring on from fergie like... yo ive eaten well off this your time

Your an intelligent guy with a good grasp of written English feel free to tear apart everything i've said.

If there's so much shit it should be easy to tear apart everything and make me look stupid.

Until then continue to only focus on the tangibles ignoring the underlying issues that have led to these tangibles. Chicken or the egg situation. Did Manchester United's problems start with Moyes or have we all been questioning tactics, quality of the squad and lack of signings for 3/4 years. Remember Moyes inherited the problems. His fault is he is not good enough to sort or mask these problems in the short term (like Fergie was) this isn't a surprise to anyone, so the question has to be asked why someone who had that ability wasnt employed.

I await your dissection of my points of view over the last few days. Remember this is a forum where you can argue the toss and offer opposing oppinions. Lets not make every room into the Matchday thread, (a place where people neg and make short sharp disparaging comments without actual discussing anything,

Lets up the levels here.

[JOHN DOE]

disgusting

 

reminds me of when paulo wanchope land fresh and started doing kick ups

 

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kompressor chats sh*t

 

moyes was a bait bring on from fergie like... yo ive eaten well off this your time

Your an intelligent guy with a good grasp of written English feel free to tear apart everything i've said.

If there's so much sh*t it should be easy to tear apart everything and make me look stupid.

Until then continue to only focus on the tangibles ignoring the underlying issues that have led to these tangibles. Chicken or the egg situation. Did Manchester United's problems start with Moyes or have we all been questioning tactics, quality of the squad and lack of signings for 3/4 years. Remember Moyes inherited the problems. His fault is he is not good enough to sort or mask these problems in the short term (like Fergie was) this isn't a surprise to anyone, so the question has to be asked why someone who had that ability wasnt employed.

 

so then you agree he should go then pmsl 

 

so whats all this classy. give him time talk

[Kompressor]

we wud play much better but yeah he wud def play 442.....

 

i cant stand out n out wingers anymore...time to change up

Based on what? During his time at Everton was 442 his preferred formation, might it be the case that he is so underwhelmed by the resources in Midfiekd he chosen to ignore the negatives and focus on the positives and has tried to utilise a "strong" attack.

When this squad is his own, hopefully after a few moves in January we will have a better grasp on what his longer terms aims are.

Him going 442 and persisting with Wingers also smacks of him pandering to the crowd. Just like Yesterday, "if I had taken RVP off"'s line.

He wanted 2 midfielders in the summer, I imagine had he got them things would look a little different.

  

Did Moyes not have an entire summer to find midfield players? united being weak centrally isn't some secret, yet he ends up paying 27 mill for Fellani on deadline day

This is a case of understanding Manchester United's way if doing things. Manager highlights the players he wants Chief exec goes out to secure those targets, anyone think the only name in Moyes' list was Fellani? Some would even argue that he wasn't on the list till a few other deals were fucked up. Maybe Gambino can tell us a bit more about this type of thing I reckon based on what he was saying he heard the same rumours for most of last season and then summer and so might have heard rumours as to how certain deals didn't take off.

[Kompressor]

disgusting

reminds me of when paulo wanchope land fresh and started doing kick ups

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kompressor chats sh*t

moyes was a bait bring on from fergie like... yo ive eaten well off this your time

Your an intelligent guy with a good grasp of written English feel free to tear apart everything i've said.

If there's so much sh*t it should be easy to tear apart everything and make me look stupid.

Until then continue to only focus on the tangibles ignoring the underlying issues that have led to these tangibles. Chicken or the egg situation. Did Manchester United's problems start with Moyes or have we all been questioning tactics, quality of the squad and lack of signings for 3/4 years. Remember Moyes inherited the problems. His fault is he is not good enough to sort or mask these problems in the short term (like Fergie was) this isn't a surprise to anyone, so the question has to be asked why someone who had that ability wasnt employed.

so then you agree he should go then pmsl

so whats all this classy. give him time talk

He was employed based on a criteria and due to circumstance, as was said on the last page by someone else, imagine Klopp coming in and having Woodward fuck up every deal, he would go off.

Mourinho- same.

Pep was sounded out and wanted no part of it right now.

I said a few weeks ago. People would have a better grasp of things if it was made public what the criteria for appointing him was and what the short/mid/long term aims were/are.

If he's not good enough, first of why was he given the job, what do the suits expect to happen now. Why wasn't he given heavyweight backing in the summer, why wasnt an experienced chief exec appointed to replace the best in the business?

People laugh at Cardiff for appointing someone in a similar role coz he'd never completed or even negotiated a transfer deal. Well They were only following United's lead.

Sacking Moyes now would only serve to paper over cracks. There are underlying issues that need addressing. His may well be a case of the right manager at the wrong time, there are people who are unstable inexperienced and learning the ropes at all levels.

I'll ask again how did it come to pass that the two men who ran a Manchester United as a whole, playing side and business side allowed to leave at the same time. Was this a coincidence?

Read Woodward's interview on this to gain better clarity on what could be a slightly underhand bit of business.

[Benicio del Toney]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25282245

 

 

 

I ain't played FM for a hot minute but even I know statements like this in form like that result in even worse morale.

[Mame Biram Diouf]

From reading Peps book

 

I honestly do not think he was sounding out about it

 

Good team around him

 

Good academy

 

History

 

Family club

 

Culture

 

Some players who could fit his philosophy

 

I think Bayern just got there first tbh

[Kompressor]

You may well be right, but had United and Bayern gone in for him at exactly the same time. (Hypothetically speaking)

Who would he have chosen and why?