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cleverly wont be a great but he has the talent to be a very good united squad player
you man are fully disrespecting him like he was not starting in all the big wins last season against city, arsenal, chelsea and liverpool
it is actually utter disrespect to cleverly acting like he is some scraping 10 apps premiership medal winner.....
this whole man united midfield has been weak for years is also a myth and just pure hatred towards carrick and the fact he doesn't play like stevie g.
04-06 was the worst for united in terms of midfield
and 07-09 was the peak
what is making it very difficult for the man utd midfielders are they are playing in 2.... it just does not work whoever the personnel is...no other team in world football is leaving their central midfield as exposed as moyes is right now....
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Mame Biram Diouf
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Agony
One day this forum will make enough progress for us to have sensible discussions in here. It's some man come up with a ridiculous opinion about a player (good or bad) and are stubborn enough to stick with it for years and years.
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O Fenomeno
The first guy isnt the answer
You need something better than what you have already
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Mame Biram Diouf
Obviously they are and never will be of the same quality
BUT
Cleverly is a play akin to Moridc, wont score loads of goals, wont get loads of assists,
Good passer, good movement, opens up space for his team-mates, good in tight spaces etc
As I think Agony said, he belongs in a 3 man midfield, he is a modern player
This season he has not been anywhere near his best, but playing alongside Giggs one week then Fellaini then Jones isn't going to help him
-----------Carrick-----Clevz--------------
--------------------Kagawa----------------
After a few games you would see a differently player
Put him in that Everton side under Martinez in that same system and he would blossom or Swansea/Southampton/Arsenal
He is just another player suffering with us, same with Fabio, Anderson, Smalling, Jones, Nani, Zaha, Kagawa and a probably a couple more I cannot think of
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Yeshua
LOL, only place Cleverley has blossomed in is the Championship.
He was dead average at Wigan as well, playing on the wings.
In fact at 16 he was about to be released by United, he has never been a top talent.
Put him at Swansea Southampton or Everton and he won't get into the team.
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O Fenomeno
He must be bad not be able to get into them sides mentioned
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Yeshua
If you think Cleverley is a good passer then you have low standards.
He is nothing like Modric, doesn't have tenacity, can't dribble or drive forward with the ball, doesn't have the same touch and low centre of gravity.
The advent of possession football has gassed a lot of you, but i don't think a lot of people still understand it. Just because a player like Cleverley shies away from responsibility and plays it safe doesn't mean he is technically gifted or a 'good passer'. He has been outplayed by nearly every midfield he has faced this season, he is yet to show he can control a game, or even influence it either defensively or attacking wise. This is all the things Modric does, even the likes of Joe Allen and Leon Britton perform his role much better than him. He has 54 average passes per game, which is pretty much just decent, and this is playing in a team who 8/10 have more possession than the other.
Carrick on the contrary averages 77 passes per game.
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Yeshua
Mccarthy, Scheiderlin, Wanyama, Lallana, Barkley, Barry, De Guzman, Canos, are all better players than him imo.
Him and Shelvey are about the same level, but Shelvey is more naturally gifted with more scope to improve. You know you got a decent player there because unlike Cleverley he shows you glimpses of quality, and now he is trying to play hollywood passes less he is fitting into Swanseas style of play more and more. He is also 3 years younger than Cleverley is as well.
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Yeshua
Sorry but nah. Cleverley had a couple stand out games, one in the Charity Shield, he never ever showed the ability Bakrley has, and he was 23 at the time.
And yeah i saw the same games as you, the thing is i also Pogba play against our u18's and for the most part he was average and didn't stand out also. Can't judge a player over two games in a derby at a level he probably felt he was too good for at the time, there is a reason why Barkley has been without a shadow of a doubt the most hyped up talent on Merseyside since he was about 14, just look at the games he has had agains us and Arsenal. Never shies away from the ball, never lets the pressure get to him, and on top of that has top class ability.
As for his decision making being worse than Cleverley, thats because he actually has confidence in trying to unlock a defence. By the same token you would say Coutinho has worse decision making than Cleverley as well then, the amount of unsuccesful balls he plays trying to unlock a defence is more than Cleverley does. When you actually have the talent to play that number 10 position, and the onus is on you to create for your team this is what will happen.
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Agony
Read that.
Ask yourself how many midfielders does Cleverley play alongside and against every week.
Ask yourself the same question for the other players you just mentioned.
Take it all into context.
And then read your post again.
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Yeshua
How may midfielders does Carrick play with each week?
Gerrard has played with pretty much 1 midfielder in Lucas all season as well and vice versa, they both have more average passes than Cleverley.
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Horatio Caine
this is the united thread.......
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saidy janko looks good myt i add,what does my fellow united fans think of him....
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Agony
Do the other players you compared to Cleverley like Allen etc. play in midfield 2's or 3's?
Do you not understand how the lack of passing options due to United’s 4-4-2 formation and tactics can limit the amount of passes that both Cleverley and Carrick are capable of making per game?
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