Grenfell Tower Fire, Latimer Road, W11

[Kompressor]

2 minutes ago, Thizz said:

"If you're poor you have to work your way out of it" 

 

fucking hell lads he's just solved World poverty. 

If only somebody had told them.

[Brem]

2 minutes ago, Admin. said:

This is not the same thing.. "cause of death" no one is talking about this, we know the cause of death. There is no need to talk about it.

Gas pipes, illegal cladding, lack of fire exits, lack of sprinkler systems etc.. Do you think the housing authority would have been able to get away with such things if the residents wernt poor... The outrage towards the rich neighbours  is because they thought the building was an eye sore and it effected there property values, they petitioned for something to be done and Grenfell put up the cladding saving as much cost as possible the renovations wernt for the people that lived there but for those who had to look at the building.

If these people wernt poor would they have been hit with legal action for trying to do something about the causes of the fire in which you listed to...

 

They were taking advantage of becuase they were poor, there were a lot of short cuts taken and residents safety was not a priority once. I am sure the accounting firm you work for has spent money to ensure yours and your fellow employees safety in case of any fire or other accidents because they know if something did break out they would be sued into 6/7 figures at the very least.

Your last point is almost disgusting at the contempt you have for poor people, many of these people are first generation immigrants and this isnt 80s/90s uk in which you can easily come here from nothing with limited skills work your ass off and have enough money to buy a house and set your family up like your parents generation... but with that very last line Yes the state failed and why did the state fail because the state does not give a shit about the poor and makes no attempt to help the poor out of poverty.

this fire would have been prevented if the occupants were not poor and that is why i am saying they died because they were poor.... we are not talking about cause of death literally

I don't have contempt for poor people. I was a poor person and not the kind of "poor" where I still had brand new Air Force ones. My point is over the opportunism being shown by a lot of people trying to use the tragedy for personal gain. 

I take the point about the building and attention not being paid because they were poor. But it's a distraction from the thing that will actually prevent another one of these. It should be secondary to actually making these blocks safe. 

[Seydou]

5 minutes ago, Brem said:

The point is that the state failed with fire prevention regulation and fire safety in this block and others. 

People keeping jumping on the poverty wagon to push some socialist agenda. If you're poor you have to work your way out of it, stop trying to politicise the situation on camera, social media and alike to trying and get more money or nicer shit out of the government. It's disgusting because its opportunistic and muddies the issue at hand and the thing that will actually prevent another one of these incidents. 

Nicer shit?

Its fucking basic stuff like an alarm. Do they have a right to ask for sprinklers?

Why were they neglected?

If your company lacked in Health and safety, and someone died,who is responsible?

If you renting a council house, or a tower block who is responsible?

[Brem]

2 minutes ago, Admin. said:

Its the same argument

He is basically saying its the peoples own fault for being too poor to not afford to live somewhere better and that they deserved to die for being in a shitty situation but we should ignore them being poor at the same time

 

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying the building was unsafe. This is the fault of the state. However the opportunism being shown is disgusting. The goal must be to make the buildings safe. Not talking about rich poor divide and all that other shit.

[O Fenomeno]

Brem is moving like Theresa May.

[Brem]

1 minute ago, Seydou said:

Nicer shit?

Its fucking basic stuff like an alarm. Do they have a right to ask for sprinklers?

Why were they neglected?

If your company lacked in Health and safety, and someone died,who is responsible?

If you renting a council house, or a tower block who is responsible?

Have you seen some of the interviews and political statements being given airtime. People are using this for self gain means. Not all but some. 

[Brem]

1 minute ago, O Fenomeno said:

Brem is moving like Theresa May.

I voted labour FYI. I believe in reducing inequality because I didn't always have money. 

But I don't believe in far left socialism and I don't believe in using tragedies like this to try and benefit or self promote certain political agendas. 

[Thizz]

You're an absolute idiot then. Council housing given to the most poor and vulnerable burning down because of cut corners is 100% POLITICAL. 

 

 

[The Somalian]

10 minutes ago, Kompressor said:

Agenda booster number 1

 c*nt of the highest regard! 

 

Of course he is correct, however all this is to boost his standing in the ranks. He's playing the long game to be PM

He personally knew a girl who died in the fire 

[Brem]

Is it political or is it the fault of the contractors who did the work. The likely hood is that it is both of their faults. 

[Kompressor]

4 minutes ago, Brem said:

I don't have contempt for poor people. I was a poor person and not the kind of "poor" where I still had brand new Air Force ones. My point is over the opportunism being shown by a lot of people trying to use the tragedy for personal gain. 

I take the point about the building and attention not being paid because they were poor. But it's a distraction from the thing that will actually prevent another one of these. It should be secondary to actually making these blocks safe. 

Yes changes need to be made. 

 

Either the government change these and enforce these regs on thwir own accord or they get lobbied and encouraged to do so by the residnents. However the residents campaigned and asked for changed for ages. Thwy were ignored. One of the reasons they were ignored in the eyes of many is, they are expendable. 

 

 

I've worked in schools in North London. South  Manchester and North Manchester. There is one particular school i worked in in Monsall that i honestly felt like crying. The facilities equipment and setting compared to the  was depressing. 

 

I honestly believe this school had been left to the shit coz the people in it and parents around were not in the position to campaign successfully for change or at least didn't think they were.

 

 

Lets take the Madeline Mccan situation for an example. If that family was a poor working class family from Tottenham, Stratford, Longsight or Moston. No way would as much money have been put into the search. No way. No way would a serious enquiry into the conduct and actions of the parents not begun. 

 

No way. 

 

There is no way of proving this to any certainty but people are not crazy or stupid for coming to this conclusion. 

[Thizz]

Just now, Brem said:

Is it political or is it the fault of the contractors who did the work. The likely hood is that it is both of their faults. 

The contractors who done the work choose the cheap cladding?

[Kompressor]

5 minutes ago, The Somalian said:

He personally knew a girl who died in the fire 

Condolences. 

 

In any event David Lammy is a career politician plain and simple. He is about personal gain and self promotion.

 

He is one of many reasons why an increasing amount of people truly believe they really have no real choices n elections and have lost faith in the democratic process. 

 

He is a c*nt. 

[Seydou]

Who hired these contractors?

The council, nah?

 

[Kompressor]

5 minutes ago, Brem said:

Is it political or is it the fault of the contractors who did the work. The likely hood is that it is both of their faults. 

You're mad

[Brem]

2 minutes ago, Kompressor said:

You're mad

I'm mad in saying that it's the fault of the state and the contractors who actually did the work and chose the materials?

[Kompressor]

Just now, Kompressor said:

You're mad

You realise how many people would've had to sign off on thise works. You think a bag od people didn't have to turn a blind eye to the gross misconduct in commissioning and okaying these works. 

 

Landlord consent. 

Planning permission. 

 

I've got a fuck off big plant pot just next to my drive way.  I asked the council to get it moved i said i'll do it my self. They gace me the protocal to get it moved. You know how many hoops and different departments i had to go through before i could move the fucking thing....

 

A concreate plant pot about the size of an big armchair that nobody would miss. 

 

People ignored the clear dangers with the tower block works and signed of these people to live in a death trap. Simple as. These people need to be held to account. 

[Heero Yuy]

I think there is a valid point between council vs contractors. I got friends in the building game that will quote a price based on a certain spec and then undercut to shit on certain materials. End of the day an investigation is used to find the answer to these questions.

[darkman]

28 minutes ago, Brem said:

I voted labour FYI. I believe in reducing inequality because I didn't always have money. 

But I don't believe in far left socialism and I don't believe in using tragedies like this to try and benefit or self promote certain political agendas. 

In what ways should inequality be reduced and why? Why didn't you have money and whose fault was that?

[Supermalt]

51 minutes ago, Thizz said:

"If you're poor you have to work your way out of it" 

 

fucking hell lads he's just solved World poverty. 

Lol

Was going to respond but there's no point if someone thinks that issue is that black and white. 

Its long. 

[Brem]

9 minutes ago, darkman said:

In what ways should inequality be reduced and why? Why didn't you have money and whose fault was that?

People should be given the help and support to make successes of their futures. This was lacking in my youth when I had tough times. But I made it happen. 

I acknowledge that someone who didn't have the same values with regard to education and work ethic instilled in them might not have achieved to the same level and this is where the help and support comes in.

[zoot]

Brem showing us he's not very intelligent at all

He escaped 'poverty' so everyone else should easily be able to as well.

 

[Brem]

5 minutes ago, Supermalt said:

Lol

Was going to respond but there's no point if someone thinks that issue is that black and white. 

Its long. 

To a degree it is and I am taking first hand. But I acknowledge that some need a helping hand and for this you need social programs in place. 

[Brem]

Just now, zoot said:

Brem showing us he's not very intelligent at all

He escaped 'poverty' so everyone else should easily be able to as well.

 

I escaped poverty because I worked hard. I'm not telling my life story here but there was some fucked up shit. What I didn't do was say "government don't care about me blah blah blah".

anyway why are we fixating on this?