The Official Manchester United Thread

[darkman]

So you guys think Tevez was worth the reported £40 mil paid for him? 

[Lieutenant]

Please no one bite.

[JOHN DOE]

 

Tevez isn't that great

 

You tried to replace Ronaldo with better players but didnt work out

 

As for Pogba he didn't feel he was ready to play at the time. He tried to keep him at the end of the day

 

Why on earth would he continue to perserve with Ravel?

 

 

[Tee]

Loool

[Lenny]

Tevez isn't that great

You tried to replace Ronaldo with better players but didnt work out

As for Pogba he didn't feel he was ready to play at the time. He tried to keep him at the end of the day

Why on earth would he continue to perserve with Ravel?

Lmfao

[Benicio del Toney]

Dying at the gif

[Yoshie]

Dying at the gif

 

Lool, perfect.

[Seydou]

A man disrespecting Tevez

How though darkman?

[Kompressor]

If only that was the only stupid thing in that post.

Every line was complete nonsense.

Come like a Flirta D verse. You can hear exactly what is said but can make any sense of it.

[Thizz]

Replace Ronaldo with better players was the one for me.

[Agony]

Dying at the gif

 

Lool, perfect.

[Haze-e]

Brilliant gif usage.

[The Infamous]

If only that was the only stupid thing in that post.

Every line was complete nonsense.

Come like a Flirta D verse. You can hear exactly what is said but can make any sense of it.

:rofl:

[MetaFives]

Arsène Wenger and Robin van Persie's agent began talks over a potential return on the 28th of January.

[darkman]

What exactly was nonsense?

 

I didn't mean better players than Ronaldo I meant better players than the one signed. Since he left you've been in for Hazard, Moura, Sanchez etc which "didn't work out"

 

Despite the obvious downgrade in quality the squad was still good enough to be successful. Moyes is struggling because he can't work with it which is understandable as it's not his team

 

In regards to Tevez....Yes he's a very good player but I think you seem to be forgetting that he wasn't a regular starter in his final season with Berbatov's arrival. Now why would you pay such a huge fee for someone whose not guaranteed to play?

 

He’s the type of animal that needs to play all the time. If you’re not training intensively, which he wasn’t, you need to play regularly.”And as for the fee that City lavished on Tevez, Ferguson says: “These were incredible sums. To me, he was an impact player. I wouldn’t have paid that kind of money.”

 

 

How exactly has Tevez career gone since he left? Man City wasn't exactly a great success and they recently sold him for all of £10 million.

 

As for Ravel Morrison what exactly has he done to show he should have been given more of a chance? Last time I heard about him he was on route to the Championship....

 

 

[Benicio del Toney]

Brilliant gif usage.

 

Even look like the guy was talking tactics lmfao

[JOHN DOE]

 

Brilliant gif usage.

 

Even look like the guy was talking tactics lmfao

 

keep going back to look at it 

 

was executed perfectly

 

10/10 post 

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

 

 

Tevez isn't that great

You tried to replace Ronaldo with better players but didnt work out

As for Pogba he didn't feel he was ready to play at the time. He tried to keep him at the end of the day

Why on earth would he continue to perserve with Ravel?

Lmfao

 

 

 

 

LMAO

 

Perfect

 

Exactly how it feels debating with him

[Agony]

MOYES’ TACTICAL PHILOSOPHIES AND ITS EFFECT ON UNITED

David_Moyes tactical system and philosophies

Lacking ideas and cohesion were the recurring theme so far this season for United. This was the same group of players who ran away the Premier League title with 11 points cleared at the top last season but with Moyes changing the whole back room staffs since he took over the reign from Fergie- the different approach to the training method and philosophies has definitely contributed to the current United’s woe in the Premier League.

Fergie’s approach was more towards player technical’s side which was to increase the accuracy of finishing, shooting and passing with high tempo and speed by replicating different situations in a real match. This has been illustrated by Van Persie when he talked about the training session after he joined United :-

“Every match is different, so every training session in the build-up to games is unique. We know exactly what to expect and he wins points for us through his training. We’ve won a lot of games by the odd goal and they are point winners, which we train for. For instance, against Chelsea I scored after a low cross from Antonio Valencia on the right. It might seem a fluke but the whole week before the game was spent working on that move. Another example is my goal against Wigan, when I cut the ball inside and shot with my right foot. Again this situation, we trained on.”

The key for United success during Fergie era was the emphasis on the versatility and the speed of play to overwhelm the oppositions. The decision to sell Berbatov in 2010 was purely on both of these reasons in which his agent has admitted:-

“”Ferguson wants to change the playing style, to implement more speed. I was pleased with United’s position as they said they’ll not oppose Berbatov’s move in the summer.”

If you look at the Fergie’s policy in players recruitment was mainly based around speed and versatility since 2004; from Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani, Anderson to his last signing, Zaha. The versatility and speed of play had enabled United to launch waves of attack relentlessly from different areas on the pitch which eventually overwhelmed the opposition teams and eventually finding the break through. The heat map below showed the locations of the pitch in which passes into the box was originated :

manchester united heat map under sir alex ferguson

If you compare this heat map to the current season under Moyes.

manchester united heat map under david motes

Looking at both of the heat map, United attacking phase under Fergie has more varieties; coming from all different directions and angles while under Moyes, United attacked primarily through the width which of course was his tactical preference during his time in Everton.

“One of the key parts of Moyes’s strategy is creating overloads – two-versus-one and three-versus-two situations – in wide areas.” Michael Cox

Make no mistake, attacking with width was the hallmark of United play under Fergie but they used much more effectively than Moyes. One of the most prevalent change under Moyes is that United putting in more high crosses and they cross the ball at every single opportunities even in deep area whilst under Fergie, they chose the right moment to make a cross by moving closer to the goal and releasing low crosses to complement for the players’ movement in the box.

Thus, you see Valencia making crosses more frequently comparing to last season whereby he was a little bit more cautious in releasing ball in. There was also Evra who seemed releasing the ball earlier and crossed in more high ball in byline area which was seldom in last season where he preferred to beat a player or made overlapping runs inside the winger to get closer to the goal before put in a low cross.

The problem with Moyes width play by crossing high ball into the box is the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of this tactics even the crosses managed to find the players in the box. The prime example would be Leighton Baines last season, he created 90 chances in Premier League last season, more than anyone but only managed to registered 5 assists. I also have covered this issue in my previous post.

Another concern for United this season is the lack of cohesion and fluidity in their play. It could be due to the methodology approach of Moyes in emphasising on the structural positioning of the players to maintain the shape of the team.

“David Moyes is a particular fan of “segmenting” his training pitch to encourage players to cover space efficiently. One format involves the playing area divided into 24 equal squares, so the defence play high up the pitch, the wide players stretch the play, and the attackers rotate position. Another setting has the pitch divided lengthways into six narrow bands of 12 yards each – the back four must occupy the nearest four “bands” when the ball is on one flank, then the middle four when the ball is in central positions. There’s also a strong importance placed upon positional responsibilities at transitions from attack to defence, with players ordered to organise themselves immediately, usually into two banks of four.” Michael Cox.

Due to the reactivity nature of Moyes, United’s players are more conscious to their own positioning in covering certain space on the pitch which might constrain their instinct and creativity going forward. It was evidence this season that United looked rigid and lacking of ideas going forward; subsequently, they were unable to dominate the opposition and this given the oppositions the initiative to building up their play.

Gary Neville has summed this up perfectly:-

“United have always been about those relentless waves of attacks, sustained for good periods without counter which would eventually overwhelm the opposition. Because this isn’t happening opponents have time to rest and recover between attacks.”

These are the pondering questions; Is Moyes tactical philosophy is not good enough for United or United will get back to the winning ways once the players able to adjust to Moyes’ systems? Only times will tell.

Posted in Tactics on December 7, 2013 by Phil.

http://livelifeunited.com/david-motes-tactical-philosophies-manchester-united/

ILLUSTRATION ON WHY MOYES’ TACTICS IS FROM STONE AGE

People said the “tiki-taka” brand of football under Pep Guardiola can only be played with the type of players that Barcelona possessed such like Messi, Xavi and Inesta but after Guardiola took charge of Bayern Munich, he is able to mould them into playing this brand of football even with different group of players. This shows that how influential a coach can have on a team with their ideas, philosophy and tactics.

There is a saying “tactics and players come hand in hand”. A team can have 11 world class players on the field but without the right tactics from the coach, it still won’t able to yield the desirable results on the pitch. This explained why United won the league by 11 points last season under Alex Ferguson but now they are struggling at 7th place under Moyes even with the same group of players.

Below is the illustration on the difference between Bayern Munich (vs Manchester City) and United (vs Fulham). From these pictures, you will understand why United are so one dimensional and predictable.

The distance between the players is too large to play any short one quick passing or combination play to open up the defence. From this snapshots, there is only 2 options, pass it wide or a long ball forward. This is why United racked up 81 crosses against Fulham as it was the result of the players positioning and the team set-up which did not afforded any other options.

The distance and the relation between the Bayern’s players are short & they creating triangles for quick combination passing to move the attacking phase forward. That is why they are able to keep the game flowing and the options created from the triangles enabled them to attack from different directions which made them unpredictable.

There is no one in the middle to create a triangle with the 2 players on the left channel and there was a big gap in between line with no United players taking advantage or dropping deep to drag defenders away. The 4 circled red United players were waiting in the box for a cross. As a result, there was only 1 option; pass it wide and cross.

There are 3 Bayern players making themselves available to build up the attack by creating triangles with the player on the ball.

Van Persie and Rooney (circled red) are too close together playing high up the pitch. Rooney should drop into the hole to create triangles and to drag opposition defender out of their position to create space. As a result, there is only 1 option, pass it wide and cross.

The positioning of Bayern players during attacking phase; they were cohesive and moving in relation to each other.

There is no one in between the line from United. The midfield staying deep and the forwards pushing high up the pitch.

The positioning of each Bayern players in relations to each other were good with a lot of triangles to keep the passing move to break through the Man City Defence.

A picture tells a thousand words; this summed up the tactical woe of David Moyes.

Posted in Tactics on February 11, 2014 by Phil.

http://livelifeunited.com/illustration-moyes-tactics-stone-age/

[Agony]

Vs.

[Thizz]

Darkman will still deny that.

[Agony]

Darkman will still deny that.

f*ck him, he’s a lost yout

I posted that for everybody else

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

This is ruining football for me

 

How can we all see it

 

I seriously dont get it

 

It gets me mad

 

Our best peformances have had him playing

 

Mata aswel has just ruined it even more

 

Cant be playing aiming to be modern team with a dynamic free flowing football and have someone like Mata

 

Hes an amazing baller

 

But we had the solution

 

Now we have two 10s and both are going to rot because that cancer

 

Really hope Kagawa leaves now and stays in the prem

 

Martinez needs to break the bank for him and a striker

 

Its disgusting the way we have treated him

[Mame Biram Diouf]

 

Remember Andy Mitten revealed Rooney dragged his heels a bit when Ferguson attempted to transform the side from classic wing play to a more intricate passing game?

 

Nahhhh

 

Agony

 

Talk to me

[Mame Biram Diouf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ORSRJ7miY