The Official Manchester United Thread

[Horatio Caine]

it doesnt matter if the trio would have bn difficult, you have players that only know a certain system, like it or not rene was in charge of how united trained etc,

 

people keep saying its a transitional year, so why make it harder for yourself by removing people who know the players inside out.....

 

keep them for your first year at least!...once u get a good idea about the players your dealing with,thats when u can slowly move them out(staff)

[Yoshie]

No doubt the board will back the manager in jan....100m on flava of the months

 

This is my worry, would rather we bought noone, ride it out until the end of the season and re-evaluate the manager/signings.

[Horatio Caine]

we need CM;s but i can see clubs bumpin us because of that reason...

 

world cup year n all,i cnt c too many players leaving

[Thizz]

Pogba's avalible

[Kompressor]

it doesnt matter if the trio would have bn difficult, you have players that only know a certain system, like it or not rene was in charge of how united trained etc,

 

people keep saying its a transitional year, so why make it harder for yourself by removing people who know the players inside out.....

 

keep them for your first year at least!...once u get a good idea about the players your dealing with,thats when u can slowly move them out(staff)

The system United used in relation to Rene was workable when Fergie was in charge but it simply wasnt feasible when you employ a manager like Moyes. They'd trod on each others toes and it wouldn't last long.

I've said before I'd like to know what criteria was used in selecting Moyes as this would give us a better insight into what the objectives are for the next 4/5 years. Hypothetically if Moyes was told you have 3 years to get your house in order then we'll judge you on results and succes it makes sense that he'd get his coaching staff in place first and foremost. Next step would be an approach and strategy then players to implement it.

People didn't rate the appontment from the day it was announced, in that case it shouldn't be Moyes getting stick it should be the people and criteria that appointed him.

A blind person can see there are definite teething problems but I'll only start calling Moyes out when/if he starts fucking up with his own squad.

Worth baring in mind that Fergie United went 3 years without winning the league in the mid 200's and the budgets only outline that Champions league qualification must be achieved.

We are in a transitional period, it might last 2, 3 or even 4 seasons.

[Kompressor]

Its a shambles from day 1

Who let's the outgoing manager pick the next manager ffs

A board and ownership structure who know very little about football and only the finance linked to it.

You want Joel Glazer picking the successor? We'd of ended up with Joe Kinnear.

[JOHN DOE]

best case scenario we finish 5th and moyes head garn

 

klopp come in and show how its done

 

we need a strong personality like him - someone the players will respect

 

i dont think the players respect man and who can blame them

 

you cant go from fergs to moyes major step down

 

p nev telling world class ballers what to do  - i just dont understand

[The King]

it doesnt matter if the trio would have bn difficult, you have players that only know a certain system, like it or not rene was in charge of how united trained etc,

The systems were changed and new things were tried last season though. Remember the diamond?

No doubt the board will back the manager in jan....100m on flava of the months

This is my worry, would rather we bought noone, ride it out until the end of the season and re-evaluate the manager/signings.

What's worse is we shot Nani/Hernandez/Anderson/Rafael/Fabio and then be forced to overpay Tottenham style

[Horatio Caine]

the diamond wasnt used that much,

 

the players are used to a certain way of playing/training, instead of wiping  the system out completely (which he is doing) he should of done it gradually, while doing so he will get to know the players better,

 

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the job fellaini is doing now,gustavo would of done wid ease, i can see us going for cabaye in jan

 

fabio should also play rb instead of smalling,who offers nothing going forward,

 

n honestly i can see us losing hernandez,welbeck will be played more,for national reasons,this being the year of the...........

[Kompressor]

best case scenario we finish 5th and moyes head garn klopp come in and show how its done we need a strong personality like him - someone the players will respect i dont think the players respect man and who can blame them you cant go from fergs to moyes major step down p nev telling world class ballers what to do  - i just dont understand

Couldn't care less about the team respecting the manager. They should respect the shirt and the club they play for. Too many players are playing beneath themselves and are not giving their all but due to the uncertainty about the manager from some quarters these players are being given a free ride. The players have sensed this uncertainty and a lot of them are cruising.

How many of the players would you say are giving 100%?

[darkman]

Who do you think isn't giving 100%?

[HangTheDJ]

You lot are mad, he'll turn it around.

 

Expect a year or two of inconsistency while he learns the finer details of the job. But that's the way Fergie wanted it...

[O Fenomeno]

You lot should ask other Man Utd supporters what was it like between 1986-1990

[Kompressor]

Who do you think isn't giving 100%?

It's easier to name the players who's efforts and application have been worthy of earning a Bly so far.

Not counting the players who have been injured, I.E Welbeck & Rafael.

Rooney, Evra, De Gea, Jones, Kagawa and Adnan could look at themselves so far and have no guilt about their levels of performance application and efforts.

Players who definitely need a slap. Valencia & CLEVERLEY, Young

All others fall somewhere in between but it's time to step up and prove they are worthy of the shirt.

Disclaimer - Dont want any part of a back and forth arguement, this is an opinion if you've got a different one state it and let's carry on with our lives.

[Kompressor]

You lot should ask other Man Utd supporters what was it like between 1986-1990

Forget that, ask the older ones still what it was like from 69- 92.

I've got a friend who has a cousin who's got a season ticket at City, he goes with him to games in a semi regular basis, he can never get over how miserable they all are and they're always moaning about how shit it is. Now this is a team who whilst we were winning the treble were gaining promotion from what is now league 1.

This is football now.

Mandem are having panic attacks coz United might finish 5th in the league, we were once relegated 6 years after being European Champions. Certain people would've been on suicide watch.

In our lifetime there was a period where we were a glorified cup team. Fergie's reign. Was exceptional the relative uncertainty around the club now has been the norm for all that time at one period or another.

Fergie's gone now.

Irony of it all is the guys from those dark ages all say that as good as league titles and the treble was they miss the days when it was only a die hard type of fan following the club, they despise the way the success years brought in a new breed of fan.

[HangTheDJ]

Squad needs rebuilding. He's not going to do that in his first Summer.

 

Fellaini was a bad signing though, IMO. Nowhere near enough quality to be a £25m+ player for Man Utd. But he needs as many allies as possible in that dressing room.

 

Still think you'll be top 4 easy come end of season.

 

Infact, by the end of the year you'll probably be top 4 and in the semis of the league cup.

[darkman]

Who do you think isn't giving 100%?

It's easier to name the players who's efforts and application have been worthy of earning a Bly so far.

Not counting the players who have been injured, I.E Welbeck & Rafael.

Rooney, Evra, De Gea, Jones, Kagawa and Adnan could look at themselves so far and have no guilt about their levels of performance application and efforts.

Players who definitely need a slap. Valencia & CLEVERLEY, Young

All others fall somewhere in between but it's time to step up and prove they are worthy of the shirt.

Disclaimer - Dont want any part of a back and forth arguement, this is an opinion if you've got a different one state it and let's carry on with our lives.

 

So you could only come up with 3 players? Two who clearly aren't good enough to be Manchester Utd players and the other limited to say the least. Many think he shouldn't be a United either

 

I don't think anyone is really lacking effort. The main problem is a lack of quality

[Horatio Caine]

fellaini was told to protect the back 4 vs everton yet the space everton found because he n giggs wer caught up the field at the same time!... was amazing,

 

 

 

 

gustavo being " booed" has no relevance   , 

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united need new players for in the centre of zi park...LM can wait!

[darkman]

fellaini was told to protect the back 4 vs everton yet the space everton found because he n giggs wer caught up the field at the same time!... was amazing,

 

 

 

 

gustavo being " booed" has no relevance   , 

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united need new players for in the centre of zi park...LM can wait!

 

What I've been saying all along

[Kompressor]

Who do you think isn't giving 100%?

It's easier to name the players who's efforts and application have been worthy of earning a Bly so far.Not counting the players who have been injured, I.E Welbeck & Rafael.Rooney, Evra, De Gea, Jones, Kagawa and Adnan could look at themselves so far and have no guilt about their levels of performance application and efforts.Players who definitely need a slap. Valencia & CLEVERLEY, YoungAll others fall somewhere in between but it's time to step up and prove they are worthy of the shirt.Disclaimer - Dont want any part of a back and forth arguement, this is an opinion if you've got a different one state it and let's carry on with our lives.

 So you could only come up with 3 players? Two who clearly aren't good enough to be Manchester Utd players and the other limited to say the least. Many think he shouldn't be a United either I don't think anyone is really lacking effort. The main problem is a lack of quality

The lack of quality is a whole next shocking saga.

[Kompressor]

You lot should ask other Man Utd supporters what was it like between 1986-1990

Different eraWas not uncommon for sides to win div2+1 back2back and go from title winners to relegation battlers.These times with the money the big boys have and the professionalism at clubs this should not be the case.../Caine still talking about gustavo aint he bundesliga worst signing of the season ? And getting booed at home ?/There is a lot of pressure on fellaini but the guy was playing center mid on his ones yesterday ffsUnited need a center back and a left winger first and foremost

Interesting comments about the difference in eras, may well have a point on the face if it, but Look where Southampton are in the league for example.

Apart from Palace there are "shocks" everywhere in the league, everyone is beating everyone else and what should be shocking is no longer shocking. League is wide open baring a couple teams.

When I get home I'm gonna look into the different decades and see.

I reckon when we look deeper into it we'll see that the differences aren't that great.

[Horatio Caine]

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Caine still talking about gustavo aint he bundesliga worst signing of the season ? 

No.......

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Hard to question effort when players are getting rotated and dropped out and played out of posistion

 

Players who I haven't been happy with I would say;

 

Vidic

Ferdinand

Carrick

Cleverly

RVP

Young

Valencia

Nani

Fellaini

Butner

Giggs

 

But some you could easily say havent had a run, but certain players you bring on last 10 mins they will at least look like they are trying

 

Been content with Jones, Rooney, Smalling, De Gea

 

Haven't seen enough of Anderson, Welbeck, Chica, Rafael

 

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Comparing it to twenty years ago is stupid

 

We now have a 70k stadium, one of highest wage bills in the league, one of the richest clubs in the world and are current PL champions

 

You wouldn't expect Real fans to be content with going from top 2 to 9th because of one manager change

 

Its called ambition, not going to just sit here while we lose at home to Everton ffs, draw with Crystal palace, Southmapton

 

He keeps saying it is a hard game every week, no game is easy, but we are Manchester United football club, we aren't Everton, he has a weak mentality, a shortage of tactical knowledge

 

He is a glorified fitness coach, he has no plan b, he hardly has a plan a

 

Honestly, those saying give him time, Martinez (Everton), Pochennti (Southampton), Rodgers (Liverpool) in their first games in charge you could see what they wanted to do

 

What does this guy want to do? Honestly? I can't see it, 

 

We are playing shit football, shit subs, shit team selection, shit transfer, shit tactics