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just dawned on me that baines turned down comin to manchester united , most prob with a higher wage and working with his old manager 

 

and what made him stay (according to various articles) was martinez 

 

what does that say of moyes that the guy who was a marquee player under him for over 6 years doesnt want to work with him and come with him to MAN U not some pony club but the current champions

 

how are guys turning down us for everton

 

when did this happen?

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nah clevs is dead lol

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nah but judging by the way Smalling was trying to find Mata with long balls, Cleverly might've been under instruction to get it out wide

 

allow being judged under Moyes' stewardship

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thats just instructions tbf

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and darkman says wr10 is uniteds best #10 :rofl:

 

 

2 passes into the box.

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What the levels of 20 long balls a game from #10 position

 

 

he never ever will.

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and darkman says wr10 is uniteds best #10 :rofl:

 

 

2 passes into the box.

 

Mata has never reached Rooney levels

 

There's reason Jose benched the lad...

 

He's not that guy

 

 

tell us more about why you think Mourinho benched Mata

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The disrespect for Rooney on this forum is mad. Players like Nani seem to be held in higher regard FFS

 

Don't get me wrong Mata is a good player but I don't consider him a better player just beacuse his own recent form (last season) was better

 

As a footballer he is nothing on Wayne

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as a footballer? lol

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Whilst the Carrick and Cleverly stats are definitly in part tactics based, I doubt the tactics are so rigid that they have been effectively been banned from making forward passes.

This is why it seems to be polar opposites in support and defiance against Moyes. Whilst he is to blame for the lack of creativity and forward thinking if the central midfielders, they have to shoulder some if the responsibility.

I'll always refuse to believe that Moyes has told Cleverly, "don't pass forward or into the box, only look to pass out wide!"

Common sense would say that his go to tactic for the players is, always look for the options out wide if nothing else is on as we are strong out there but the reason why there are so few forward passes is down to a lack of confidence of the players in question dictate that they start looking for the easy or low risk option.

Cleverly and Carrick have not been in form and look low in confidence, if People are blaming the manager for that then that's a whole different Arguement.

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Those cleverley and carrick passes images are classics.

Such basic football its unreal. Its actually funny that this happens week in week out for 6 months, with no change in fortunes, yet is still persisted with.

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People thought just because Rooney, Mata and RVP were on the same pitch that things would all of a sudden get better?  8-)

 

Not only did 2 of them recently return from injury, the other lacks match sharpness and they have never played together as a trio. People on here take real football for a game of FIFA

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