The England Football Team Thread

[Guest Wheres Barry]

Ozil actually deaded Barry's England hype. England needs to move on now and find someone else. Tbh, England should just try something new. They keep trying the same sh*t for 10 years or so and nothing has ever happened. They need a new systems with players that know what roles they are playing in.

Huddlestone must be in this new set up. Best English passer. England had like 0 creativity when the ball was in their possession in the center of the park

thing is its not even about ozil deading barrys hype...

when hes on the ball he gives it away soooooo much, always trying to play passes he isnt capable of completing....

[anelka]

hargreaves aint a DM.

I forgot him but still he is box 2 box

People get it twisted, just coz some1 is sh*t or not as good in the final 3rd they call them a DM

Essien for example is box 2 box just not overly great in the final 3rd yet they call him a DM lol, yes he can and has played that role but he is primarily a combative CM

Roy Keane was box 2 box

There is a difference between box 2 box players like Cattermole, Hargreaves & Parker and DM's like Makalele, Mikel & Gilberto Silva for example

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As for Barry, dear dear dear

What sane person builds a team around him, i mean really

The last 2 goals wer both his fault, you would neva see Makalele or any French / Aff DM in Ligue 1 make those mistakes

[LS]

Media don't see that sh*t though. They just see Barry getting outpaced and pretty much costing England the 4th goal. I never saw the hype with Barry at all. Hudd shits all over him. Even when we played them at their ground. All Hudd had was Luka in the center with him as well. Had no idea why Rafa wanted him, Alonso is on another planet compared to him!

[Guest Wheres Barry]

all you cunts negging me.... tell me how hargreaves is a DM...

being a center midfielder who likes to put a tackle in does not make you a DM.

[n/a]

i think owen hargreaves could play dm well

[Michel Kane]

His positional play, discipline, reading of the game does...

[Guest Wheres Barry]

Media don't see that sh*t though. They just see Barry getting outpaced and pretty much costing England the 4th goal. I never saw the hype with Barry at all. Hudd shits all over him. Even when we played them at their ground. All Hudd had was Luka in the center with him as well. Had no idea why Rafa wanted him, Alonso is on another planet compared to him!

hudd actually plays better with an attacking midfielder next to him in some games tho.... but thats mainly down to wilson absolutely f*ck*ng up toms deep lying space, where he loves to ping them killer passes from & modric getting in them holes thru the centre (something that lampard couldnt do / gerrard coming inside more time would kill hudds passing game aswell)

[Guest Wheres Barry]

His positional play, discipline, reading of the game does...

but Hargreaves gets all over the pitch and likes to create sh*t in the final 3rd.

He is a combative box to box midfielder, as everyone saw in the last world cup when he probably did more running than the rest of the midfield put together.

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im not saying he cant play DM, as he would play it very well.

[The Infamous]

HAGREVAES HASNT PLAYED A GAME FOR 3 f*ckIN YEARS

HE COMES LIKE A f*ck*ng LEAP YEAR

1 GAME EVERY 4 YEARS AVERAGE

FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS HES FINITO

HUDDLESTONE IS WANK PLAIN AND SIMPLE..IF I WNA SEE A FAT TEDDY BEAR RUNNIN ABOUT IL WATCH WINNIE THE POO

c/s

[Uncle Man]

if we can mention andy carroll how about routledge

guy seems pretty decent to me in the few games ive seen,plenty of nice ideas

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englands footballing problem mirrors the labour governments financial problem

namely its false wealth creation

you buy a player like milner for 25 million or watever and see that as his value

then expect yr players to win cups because they cost a lot of money and are paid a lot

stupid imo

[Uncle Man]

Lampard was being booed at West Ham when he was 21/22ish, after about 3 seasons of football.

that was more to do with hammers fans humurous inability to let go of the fact he was franks son and harrys nephew than his actual play..he was the fat posh boy.he did prove himself as worthy of a team place,which he had been all along to be honest,but skyrocketing his career to being one of the highest paid footballers in the world with chelsea is and was a total joke,hes never even been on jamie redknapp levels imo.if you let me start for chelsea and take all there free kicks and penalties i bet you i will score a few goals,theyve essentially put lipstick on a pig.

most of this generation of footballers were promising youngsters who were hyped up but never grew into the hype properly,theyre all still essentially promising youngsters nearing the end of there careers imo

[Guest Medic]

That coaching stat is really eye opening. I'd insist on all top coaches going abroad as part of their coaching badges, maybe they do already I dunno. Thing is nationality or not some people are just not cut out to be managers and some are, and after a national media and papers campaign some clown will be appointed.

Loew's quote said it all, sorry and predictable england, so easy to pick apart tactical. Why people are blaming Capello I dont know, he tried different approaches before hand and the side just couldnt cope. Was it around 3 weeks ago he tried playing 3 at the back when Barry was out? He had good cover for the defense, right so but the team just cannot adapt, they were rubbish. They only play to what they know, so he obviously had to revert. Again these past matches, Gerrard is told to play left..

http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=17/day=1/match=300061501/index.html

Click his name, SNM. Left Cole exposed throughout the matches. Check Rooney, look how deep he had to come, was hardly in the box. Then you see Muller/Podolski, disciplined...

One thing I would say about Capello is the language barrier. Ancelotti has been at Chelsea for a year, when he came he couldnt speak a word of English, and now his English is better than Capello's. Essentially, the England job is part time, he should definitely take some sort of English course because it does have an affect on his management. Plus he doesnt have the best people around him to look to. For example, when Ireland brought in Trapattoni, Liam Brady was made assistant manager and with his italian footballing background he is able to give him good advice/suggestions. Theres no one in the English set up who is able to do that, Pearce is a clown of the highest degree. Only person who comes close is Wilkins, even he is 'meh'.

[Dat Boy B]

Lampard was being booed at West Ham when he was 21/22ish, after about 3 seasons of football.

that was more to do with hammers fans humurous inability to let go of the fact he was franks son and harrys nephew than his actual play..he was the fat posh boy.he did prove himself as worthy of a team place,which he had been all along to be honest,but skyrocketing his career to being one of the highest paid footballers in the world with chelsea is and was a total joke,hes never even been on jamie redknapp levels imo.if you let me start for chelsea and take all there free kicks and penalties i bet you i will score a few goals,theyve essentially put lipstick on a pig.

most of this generation of footballers were promising youngsters who were hyped up but never grew into the hype properly,theyre all still essentially promising youngsters nearing the end of there careers imo

Wally.

[RaiKkoNen]

Capello is fully a c*nt.

The players who can keep the ball he leaves at home or on the bench

Huddleshit (Fat c*nt can actually pass and keep possession), Carrick (Creative, well better than anything we have) and A.Johnson.

Seriously why not just f*ck*ng play this midfield

--Huddlestone--Carrick-----

-------Johnson-------

--------Lamps------------

That midfield is actually f*ck*ng mobile.

[Heero Yuy]

Lamps not on Redknapps level

really?

[Captain Planet]

England are so classless

Look how they're interviewing Howard Webb like it's an accolade to have an English ref in the final

FFS

This mentality is why this country is sh*t

[The King]

Dont bring Carricks name into this. Guy's been sh*t for a year and a half and im a big fan.

[MrJibbles]

To say Fabio Capello squared up to the reality that England have regressed from quarter-finalists to second-rounders would be a gross misreporting of events here, because the manager blamed the referee, Premier League-induced fatigue and the strange disappearance of the men he thought he knew from qualifying.

But as Capello swerved the blame for England's heaviest World Cup defeat, at an exit press conference, he surrendered an insight into the kind of cultural failings that have removed their right to be considered serious tournament contenders. The manager was responding to a question about the two lightning raids in Bloemfontein that ended England's hopes of cancelling out the aberration by referee and linesman in not seeing that Frank Lampard's first-half chip had dropped inside the goal.

As Germany broke twice inside four minutes with beautifully choreographed counter-strikes, England's defensive organisation was a shambles, with too many players pressing for the equaliser and too few primed to contain any sudden German incursion. Here were two classic tests of English tactical intelligence. As several former internationals pointed out later, Capello's men still had nearly half an hour to level the game and were not obliged to take casino risks.

This is Capello's answer: "Look, I am angry for this. I am really angry. I spoke always what has to happen with the positions on the pitch. [Germany] scored five [sic] goals. I think three of them were avoidable." In other words, players who have been drilled by Sir Alex Ferguson, José Mourinho, Rafael Benítez, Guus Hiddink, Carlo Ancelotti, Martin O'Neill and several other leading managers were incapable in an England shirt of recognising the danger should Germany break out left and right with an accomplice charging down the middle.

In these cameos of strategic ineptitude the country can see the collective inability of England teams to recreate the discipline, energy, conviction and cleverness that some of them display in club sides that, admittedly, are packed with foreign talent that disguises native deficiencies.

This might be the point to throw in the revelation that Spain, the European champions, have 750 Grade A Uefa-trained coaches, compared to under 150 in England. All those English tutors instruct fully-grown men while in Spain 640 of the 750 teach five-year-olds and up. A Spanish cultural revolution 15 years ago has transformed the national team and Sir Trevor Brooking, the Football Association's director of football development, has spoken glowingly of Germany's huge investment in coaching and talent cultivation. The results: Thomas Müller and Mesut Ozil, who tormented England in Bloemfontein.

The memory of a lumpen England side trudging forward in 4-4-2 formation could haunt their followers for a generation. As Capello acknowledged.

Germany's passing was faster, more incisive, more ambitious and more damaging than England's side-to-side and slow-and-slower approach. The FA has staked all its bets on the European Championship‑winning England Under-17s: the first representative side, says Brooking, who could be mistaken for any continental ensemble.

"In the attacking third, we need the creativity, one v one, getting past people," Brooking says. "We've always had this debate with Joe Cole over where he plays: in the hole, out wide or in the front of a little diamond at Chelsea. He couldn't force his way in under Ancelotti late in the season, which was frustrating for him.

"Ozil last year played wide in a three for the Germans. This time they had him off the front man. He's kicked on this year because he didn't have that strength. He's got stronger and quicker. Ozil has the unexpected part, the disguised pass, the movement. They are the sort of things Joe used to do all the time. In the 11 to 16 age group, you have to have the specialist coaches who can bring that creativity out of players.

"The first phase is 5-11. An 11-year-old youngster in this country isn't good enough technically so we have to play more short-sided games, do more ball work, so by the time you play 11 v 11, if you haven't got a first touch, and are not comfortable technically, you have no chance of coming through.

"One good thing with Spain winning the Euros in 2008 [is] that size isn't everything. When I came into the job six years ago, a lot of clubs were saying, 'If you are not 6ft-plus, unlucky,' and we were getting rid of really talented youngsters because they were too small. Then Spain had a midfield [of] Xavi, [Andrés] Iniesta, [David] Silva, [Cesc] Fábregas, [David] Villa up front – suddenly everyone thought if you keep the ball it's good. People started looking for the more technical players."

Brooking's big anxiety below U21 level is that the best young English players will be ruined in Premier League academy games that are result- and not technique-driven; loaned to clubs where they will acquire bad habits; and stagnate on the fringes of the "big four" first XIs.

Other European countries now see the England team as wholly subservient to the top division, where Champions League qualification and deal-making prevails over coaching.

After the blow-out in Bloemfontein, Capello sat up with his staff, picking out names which he discussed the next day with Richards. "I think we will find two to three new players, probably," he said. "One is Adam Johnson [who he left behind], another is Kieran Gibbs, the Arsenal left-sided player. There is Michael Dawson who is not young but is with us, and also we have Gabriel Agbonlahor and [bobby] Zamora. Another player we hope will be fit is Owen Hargreaves."

This desperate sifting through discards, casualties, nearly-men and some young stars who should make it (Gibbs, Johnson) is a side-game in a culture that is set up to fail.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/29/world-cup-2010-england-fabio-capello1

[Agony]

So none of the young footballers in this country are coached by grade A Uefa-trained coaches, pmsl

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LOL @ that team

The Sun are trying to create a bandwagon for this team...

Hart

Richards

Ferdinand

Dawson

Lescott

Wilshere

Parker

Huddlestone

Rodwell

A.Johnson

Bent

[The Infamous]

So none of the young footballers in this country are coached by grade A Uefa-trained coaches, pmsl

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LOL @ that team

The Sun are trying to create a bandwagon for this team...

Hart

Richards

Ferdinand

Dawson

Lescott

Wilshere

Parker

Huddlestone

Rodwell

A.Johnson

Bent

DFGD

D

FG

DF

G

DF

GDFGDFG

[BATTY BOY BUM BANDIT]

LOL this thread proves how much of a joke england are.

That coaches stat is f*ck*ng APPAULING.

[darkman]

HAGREVAES HASNT PLAYED A GAME FOR 3 f*ckIN YEARS

HE COMES LIKE A f*ck*ng LEAP YEAR

1 GAME EVERY 4 YEARS AVERAGE

FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS HES FINITO

HUDDLESTONE IS WANK PLAIN AND SIMPLE..IF I WNA SEE A FAT TEDDY BEAR RUNNIN ABOUT IL WATCH WINNIE THE POO

LOL & C/S

[n/a]

HAGREVAES HASNT PLAYED A GAME FOR 3 f*ckIN YEARS

HE COMES LIKE A f*ck*ng LEAP YEAR

1 GAME EVERY 4 YEARS AVERAGE

FORGET ABOUT THE GUYS HES FINITO

HUDDLESTONE IS WANK PLAIN AND SIMPLE..IF I WNA SEE A FAT TEDDY BEAR RUNNIN ABOUT IL WATCH WINNIE THE POO

LOL & C/S

lol posd