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If there is going to be a missile test it is believed to be happening tomorrow.

 

If they do test a missile it will be shot down pronto, then the ball is in NK's court and who knows what will happen next....

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reminds me of the east west germany situation at times-doubt even if mssiles were fired it would do much to destabalise that region.China as such a invisible strangle hold on that area of the world geographicaly.,politically finacially i doubt theyd allow the region to delve into war.. although that said itas in the best interest of n/s k and china to get on reasonably well together for trade and to keep certain stances going with japan...ah well

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whats that about? will watch later.

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BBC 'used LSE students as human shield' in North Korea

 

The BBC has refused to drop a Panorama programme on North Korea after a students' union said it used students "as a human shield" to film there.

Three BBC journalists accompanied 10 London School of Economics students and spent eight days in the country.

The LSE students' union's Alex Peters-Day said Monday's programme should be dropped because students were lied to and could not give informed consent.

But the BBC said the students had been properly warned ahead of the trip.

Head of news programmes Ceri Thomas said the North Korean government was the only party the BBC had deceived.

"We have a duty to give enough information to people on a trip like this so they can give us fully informed consent," he said.

"There were 10 students. We told them there would be a journalist on the trip and, if that journalist was discovered, it could mean detention and that it could mean arrest."

Nine of the students were aged 21-28 while one was 18, he said.

'Student welfare'

The LSE complains the students had not been told there was an undercover team of three, filming a high-profile documentary.

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Ceri Thomas: "This trip was going to happen before the BBC got involved"

Panorama reporter John Sweeney spent eight days undercover inside North Korea for the programme, travelling with his wife and a cameraman.

Mr Thomas admitted they had initially been told it was one journalist but that, when they were in Beijing before they flew into Pyongyang, they were told there would be three journalists.

He said North Korea was "one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet which is threatening nuclear war in the Korean peninsular".

The "public interest arguments" for making and showing the programme were "overwhelming", he added.

He said three of the students had since asked "that their images be taken out" and that they would be "pixellated or blobbed".

LSE students' union general secretary, Ms Peters-Day - who was not on the trip - told the BBC News Channel: "One of the students made it absolutely clear that she was not made aware of what happened.

"For us, this is a matter of student welfare - students were lied to, they weren't able to give their consent."

She said all LSE's future research was "now at risk".

"I think the trip was organised by the BBC as potentially a ruse for them to get into North Korea and that's disgraceful.

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Panorama reporter John Sweeney: "All of them were told twice that a journalist was coming"

"They've used students essentially as a human shield in this situation."

LSE pro-director Prof George Gaskell said students had been put in a "potentially extremely dangerous" situation.

The university had been told last week that the BBC had used the party as cover for Panorama filming during the eight-day trip, he added.

He said he was glad LSE staff had not been left "wondering about how we were going to get these students out of solitary confinement in some North Korean jail".

"I think there is less danger to students than there is to my colleagues," he added.

"Some of my colleagues at the present are in Africa, China and various other sensitive countries.

"If their independence and integrity is challenged, they may find themselves in considerable risk."

'Extreme censorship'

Meanwhile Universities UK, the umbrella body for UK universities, said it regretted "the BBC's approach in this matter".

"Universities must be able to work with integrity and operate in sensitive areas of the world," chief executive Nicola Dandridge said.

She added: "The way that this BBC investigation was conducted might not only have put students' safety at risk, but may also have damaged our universities' reputations overseas."

Panorama reporter John Sweeney said the majority of the students he had travelled with supported the programme.

"What the LSE is saying we dispute," he told BBC Radio 4's Broadcasting House programme.

He added: "All of those students could have dobbed me in, they didn't."

He described North Korea as a "Nazi state" that practised the "most extreme form of censorship".

He added: "It's more like Hitler's Germany than any other state in this world right now. It's extraordinarily scary, dark and evil."

Panorama: North Korea Undercover can be seen on BBC One at 20:30 BST on Monday. It will also be shown on BBC World News on the weekend of 20-21 April.

 

Should be interesting

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direct from one of the people that went

 

What I find fascinating about the LSE-BBC North Korea scandal is that vocalised outrage and indignation seem to be erupting from every corner of the LSE public EXCEPT from the group of students who actually went on the trip. Has anyone conducted the research necessary to find out what the entire group of 9 students think? I doubt this, because in that case we would have seen a more detailed, nuanced picture painted of this event. I find it precocious and frankly a little absurd to let the complaints of just two of the involved students - LEGITIMATE complaints though they are - speak for the remaining 7. As a result of this, the bulk of the public's knowledge about the event is mired in misinformation and half-truths. As one of the students who participated in this trip, I don't feel comfortable publicly addressing the facts or details of this scandal at the moment, but I urge LSE students to consider that they cannot possibly be familiar with all the facts of the case, and moreover LSE probably had reason to release the version of the story that it did. Please recognise that you cannot jump on the bandwagon of personal and institutional outrage until the details of this incident - which are presently totally lacking in transparency - become clear to the public.'
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the recent Vice (HBO) episode (2) follows people tryna escape from NK

 

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that's a bit messed up about BBC still

 

 

link?

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BBC1 Now

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