The Official Manchester United Thread

[TF S4DK]

 

lool 3hunna ya know

 

VIP2>>>_____

 

[TF S4DK]

RvP will always lose a battle with Rooney in terms of Manchester United fans tho.

 

Same reason Rooney will get 300k but RvP wouldn't.

 

Despite everything he has done and the fact he came from Everton, Rooney is "yours", RvP ain't.

[Kompressor]

Depends on what United fans your speaking about.

That's a pretty broad sweeping statement about a very big and widely differing fanbase on many issues.

[TF S4DK]

The ones singing David Moyes name after defeats...

 

The Darkmans...

 

The mainstream media influenced ones...

 

The ones that hate Nani and hated Berbatov playing...

[Mame Biram Diouf]

Warning: Depressing read

 

Kagawa responds to Japanese media after Olympiakos. 

 

"I thought we needed to build some rhythm. We have a lot of goal scoring finishers, but we hadn't been able to build up to a goal scoring opportunity. So I went in thinking I'd like to win back our rhythm, but it was harder than I imagined. The manager just told me to go out and get on the ball. And I was confident I could create opportunities if I could just get on the ball, but the ball wouldn't come my way, as we resorted to many long balls. There were so many more situations where I was available to receive the ball, but... Well, it's done and over, so what can I say.

 

I thought I might get an outing today. It's vexing that I couldn't contribute results, but I have to carry on day by day. My given situation isn't going to dramatically change, so I'll just keep plugging away. Whatever the situation, you've got to keep on trudging. I'm not taking it negatively. I get more freedom in the CL anyway(as opposed to league), and my abilities are more useful (in the CL). We still have the return leg. I've got a good 'image' in my mind of what we need to do to win the return leg, and we definitely have a shot at turning this around at home, so I'll prepare for that."

 

 

http://sportiva.shueisha.co.jp/clm/wfootball/2014/02/26/6/index3.php

[Fearless-Guy]

Look how respectful he is after getting constant pars fack #3shinji

[Kompressor]

The ones singing David Moyes name after defeats... The Darkmans... The mainstream media influenced ones... The ones that hate Nani and hated Berbatov playing...

I hear that and tbh generally agree with you. The people singing David Moyes' name at the end of the game aren't all doing so for the same reasons though.

I'd imagine (and know) there are some differing views among that population as well.

But generally speaking i hear and understand what you're getting at.

[Kompressor]

Respect the guys mentality and attitude 100%. He's a credit to the club and his profession.

But it's the same old story, the people who don't think the team should be built around him and those that do are today apart at each end of the scale to see it objectively.

(That said, he definitley should've bed played more often. DEFINITLEY, but I feel that the more he doesn't play the better he becomes)

Ultimately I think a lack of a long term plan at the club has been his biggest detrimental factor.

[darkman]

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The issue here is people want to be in one camp or the other. black or white syndrome again.

 

For all their faults Rooney and RVP both bring something important to the table/squad. what the club has done in the past (going quite far back now) was pick a team and system based on the opposition and squad rotation policy. 

 

If Rooney and RVP aren't best suited playing alongside each other, alternative ways of finding effectiveness need to be found. If that means they get rotated with Certain games wing play being the focus and Valencia and Young being chosen to supply Rooney while we put 3 in the centre great, as for certain games this will be effective.

 

Other games, you switch up the focus and and play a more "technically astute" team and play Mata, Kagawa and Adnan interchanging behind RVP

With 2 in the middle

 

in other games  you mesh the two approaches together. with the other players not mentioned coming in when needed.

 

for example. 

 

i don't buy into this pick a camp, one must go stuff. i think the RVP is the scapegoat camp are wrong same with the Rooney scapegoaters.

 

the only thing that annoys me as much as the Rooney can do no wrong brigade and he's still one of the best in the world type supporter are the people who say he can't do any good. both are as one-eyed and as blinkered as the others. That's the biggest irony here.we have one camp criticising the other for not being objective and rational while doing the exact same thing at the opposite end of the Rooney scale. 

 

 

Common sense sometimes lies dead in the centre of two extremes.

 

lol as if that would work. Two stars who wont be happy unless they're playing every game

 

Depends on what United fans your speaking about.

That's a pretty broad sweeping statement about a very big and widely differing fanbase on many issues.

 

The majority of United fans hold Rooney in higher regard than RVP. Do you not agree with this? Can you not undertand why they think this?

[Kompressor]

Didn't say I agreed or disagreed, would understand both strands of the Arguement,

I just wanted clarification, I got it.

In my reply to the clarification I think I made myself quite clear as to what I think. "Genrally agree with you" being a clue.

Your question comes across as if you suspect I have been anti Rooney in terms of a place in the team. When you yourself have quoted me saying the opposite.

[darkman]

I get the impresssion you are anti Rooney. Do you think he should have been sold?

[Kompressor]

I thought he should've been sold during the 2010 saga. So everything else up until this point is irrelevant.

I understand why the club and a number if fans still want him around and also against my general opinions on the game accept and understand the wage he's on.

Not sure what has given you the impression I'm anti Rooney, I spend a lot of time on here playing devils advocate in his defence as shown in the post I put up explain how both Rooney and RVP can fit and that they are both important.

You happened to quote that post in your last message.

You're normally better than this at soliciting stupid back and forths. I was expecting you to come in the debate today but as my comments have been the most pro Rooney on here I was petrified you were gonna semi agree. I'm happy to be sympathetic to the Rooney position but not over where your standing with it.

[Kompressor]

May I point out that when I say I think he should've been sold in 2010 it was a moral position and not one based on his ability as a footballer.

[i5_PRODUCER]

100%

[The King]

lool

These scousers man. They loving it.

[Agony]

Manchester United boss David Moyes would be sacked if he was in charge of Real Madrid, according to former Los Blancos president Ramon Calderon.

The Scot has endured a miserable season in charge at Old Trafford and looks set to finish his debut year in charge trophyless and outside the Champions League qualification places.

And Calderon, who presided over the Spanish giants for three years and had the same number of managers under his watch during that time, said the La Liga side would not stand for Moyes' difficulties.

Asked by Keys and Gray if Madrid would replace Moyes were the scenario mirrored in Spain, Calderon replied: "Yeah, of course. We did it. In fact [Fabio] Capello (who won La Liga in 2007) didn't do a bad job but the next year with [bernd] Schuster we played in a different way and finished 18 points ahead of Barcelona.

"We won the league five matches before the end of the league, we finished with 18 points [more than Barcelona]."

Calderon also warned United that they face an economic disaster which could cost them almost £80 million in not qualifying for the Champions League.

"Economically it's a mess, it's a problem, it's a real disaster. All of the sponsors are going to pay according to whether you're in the Champions League or you're out, if you're in or out, and that's very important.

"For Real Madrid it would be very important in the budget. There is no difference in those contracts for Manchester and Real Madrid. It's everything.

"I imagine they [Manchester United] will have to face that. In the case of Real Madrid I say you could lose €100 million."

Read more at http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-real-madrid-wouldnt-stand-moyes-problems-claims-calderon-14022881758#F42CM1733L6w1uoU.99

Manchester United manager David Moyes would have been "sacked three times" if he was managing in Serie A, says former Chelsea boss Gianluca Vialli.

Vialli, 49, has not managed a club since being sacked by Watford in 2002.

He is keen to make a return, but would not do so in Italy, where he believes managers are under too much pressure.

"In Italy, managers are judged simply by results," he told BBC Radio 4. "Italian managers don't enjoy themselves at all."

"David Moyes, in Italy, would have been sacked three times now," said Vialli, referring to Manchester United, who have won only four of their last 12 games in all competitions and are out of the FA Cup and League Cup.

"In the Premier League you get the feeling they give you a bit longer to sort out problems.

"They are more understanding and, most importantly, owners of football clubs don't think they know more than managers.

"They let managers run it for a while and don't just sack you after the first two or three defeats."

[Seydou]

These guys need to shut up tbh

[O Fenomeno]

think it just shows man utd are no longer a big club

Big brand

[Kompressor]

Caldron and Real Madrid move differently by design. Their sole aim is to win every trophy.

Manchester United's aims are to 1, make as much money as possible 2, be successful.

That's why Woodward would even think to say "if we went 8/9 years without a trophy we'd still sell shirts and be profitable" teams like Real aren't even willing to consider that reality.

Heard a bit if that interview, he also said United could lose £100m. Making money is Woodwards Job and expertise. Hence.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/28/manchester-united-lucrative-friendlies-champions-league-europa-league

[JOHN DOE]

that dosent make sense 

 

if we went 8/9 years without winning a trophy the brand would surely suffer because of the that and would result in downturn of shirt sales

 

and being successful = more money 

[Young £]

'The Glazer family are known to be “disappointed” and nobody within United expected the post-Ferguson landscape to look this bad so quickly. For the moment, they are sticking squarely by their man, but should the season continue to unravel, as pragmatic businessmen who are not governed by sentiment, it is inconceivable that the Americans will not be questioning whether to entrust up to £200 million this summer to a manager facing a crisis of credibility.

 

 

[Young £]

After a deadline day swoop by Fulham Football Club and making two appearances for his new club, former England youth midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe and England U20 midfielder Larnell Cole have been given short shrift by manager Felix Magath and sent out on loan (with a possible view to a permanent transfer taking place in the summer) less than 25 days after being bought by the London based club. Both winners of the FA Youth Cup in 2011 and players who had worked with former Fulham boss Rene Meulensteen since the age of 9, Tunnicliffe and Cole had signed deals with Fulham until 2017, with an option for an extra year. The plan now? Out with the bins in the morning.

 

A source close to both players has revealed to England Football Blog that both players are “absolutely shocked” by the situation, especially considering Fulham manager Felix Magath had physically seen the players for just one day before punting them into touch. Shocking indeed.

 

…but let’s level set for a second and recalibrate the positioning of this piece…

 

Tunnicliffe was never destined to captain England, or lead the country to World Cup glory. Tunnicliffe’s story is not about a scorned world beater who is the poster child for English footballers getting the stick.  Instead, Tunnicliffe‘s story, along with Larnell Cole, is just a higher profile example of the ridiculous merry-go-round nature of the Premier League and it’s continued impact on the progress and development homegrown talent.

 

Cynics will argue that Tunnicliffe “wasn’t good enough” or highlight that he was “just playing at Ipswich weeks ago” and his Dad likes a bet. Well, he was good enough to earn a Manchester United debut under Sir Alex Ferguson, and was deemed good enough to start and play in two Premier League matches under his former Fulham manager. Larnell Cole prospered at the second largest global FIFA tournament behind the World Cup and did enough to be rewarded with a Fulham debut. Now, because of some dotted line relationship to a former manager they’re chopped liver? The talent and promise is plain to see! The opportunity to showcase it, however, is not. For the sake of comparison regarding  lower league development; Dan Burn was at Birmingham a week before his trial by fire, Ross Barkley tottered about the Football League before setting the top flight alight.

 

The fancy of a new manager, barely a week into the job and only 24 hours into his in person evaluation of two homegrown talents, has cast asunder the opportunity for a player to actually play in the Premier League.

 

It’s an all too familiar tale. New man in brings jobs for the boys and a second wave of imports along with it. This is not to say homegrown talent should be given a hand out based on birthright, rather it’s the proof point that there are players out there who can compete at the highest level but just aren’t being allowed to showcase what they can do.

 

How many players are English clubs (and England!) losing out on due to the negative mentality that cascades down from the very top. At Fulham you dread what might happen to Josh Passley‘s career (debutante under Meulensteen) or even the imposing figure of the aforementioned Dan Burn (dropped to the bench after starting every game for Meulensteen). You just hope that when they say “cream rises to the top” that Patrick Roberts will be given his chance to shine…

 

Trust

Opportunity

Pathways

 

If the grassroots is undergoing an overhaul, along with coaching in England, then something needs to be done at the top for the players who are already capable of performing. Perhaps annual changes and revamps of the EPPP isn’t exactly beneficial….eh, Mr. Scudamore?

 

 

[Agony]

HUGE! Raf Honigstein was told that David Moyes has lost Manchester United dressing room, ‘must go now’ [ESPN]

Saturday, March 1st, 2014

This is big.

Rafael Honigstein, respected author and journalist of the Guardian, ESPN and other German outlets, has dropped a massive skinny on ESPN FC, the channel’s football discussion show.

The intro above is a key qualifier: this isn’t just anybody saying this; it’s one of the most respected journalists around: if he says he was told this, then you take it to the bank.

Honigstein told the ESPN panel that he was directly told by somebody ‘very close to the club’ that Moyes has lost the dressing room, and that it’s time for him to go’.

As Honigstein opens and concludes, things are much graver at United than was hitherto believed.

For obvious reasons, Honigstein kept schtum on his source, and the theories will now go into overdrive as to which little birdy it was, but for the moment it’s moot.

That some were disillusioned and/or unimpressed with Moyes (RVP) has never been in question, but that he’s completely lost the dressing room – in light of Rooney’s contract renewal for one thing – is a massive shock.

Watch Honigstein drop the skinny on ESPN here.

http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/raf-honigstein-was-told-that-david-moyes-has-lost-manchester-united-dressing-room-and-must-go-now-espn?mmskip=1