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[stacksbranning]

fuck moyes . oh yeah and fuck anyone who says he needs time

[Agony]

#MoyesEra

[anelka]

This is an absolute disastrous spell for Utd and moyes

 

This is beyond your worst nightmares, everything that could possibly go wrong - has gone wrong!

 

Moyes tactically has been terrible, his man management has been shoddy, his team selections have been questionable and his interviews have been hugely uninspiring

 

Let's be honest it was all huff & puff at goodison with a sprinkle of class from pienaar, osman, arteta, baines

 

Even if he get's mata etc he wont know how to use them effectively

[TF S4DK]

A drunk Manchester United fan called 999 "demanding" to speak to Sir Alex Ferguson after the club's defeat.

 

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) were called at 22:30 GMT by a man from Crumpsall after the team lost to Sunderland in the Capital One Cup.

 

GMP said it "can be sad and depressing" when a football team loses a game but asked the public to "remember that 999 is to be used for emergencies only".

 

The force suggested contacting the club to speak to the former manager.

 

Manchester United lost 2-1 on penalties in the semi-final of the competition at Old Trafford under new manager David Moyes.

 

On GMP North Manchester's Facebook page, the force said: "A man from the Crumpsall area of North Manchester rang 999 in a drunken state demanding to speak to Sir Alex Ferguson about last night's result.

 

"Obviously, it can be a sad and depressing moment when your football team loses a game, however, can we all please remember that 999 is to be used for emergencies only.

 

"For any other police-related enquiries that are not an emergency, you can ring 101."

 

"If you would like to speak to Sir Alex about recent football results we here at GMP Manchester North can only suggest you try ringing Manchester United FC directly as you will probably (not definitely) have a much better chance of getting through to him there rather than ringing the police," the statement added.

 

The call in there lol - http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/listen-drunken-manchester-united-fan-6556043

[Zizouz]

  guy was venting to the police 

[Incumbent]

[Haze-e]

Loool

[Agony]

this everton supporter had the right idea 

 

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/32094-How-long-before-dithering-david-moyes-is-sacked-or-resigns

 

and man made that post in 2010 funny how his same greivances have now become ours

 

moyes brainwashed everton to think they are basic and overacheivers

+1

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/32664-MOYES-OUT

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/62545-Moyes-The-ungrateful-irritant

"He is doing a very good job," said Moyes.

"He has very good players there. I always told them they could play without a manager because they are very well organised.

"But Roberto is doing a really good job keeping it going."

"Play without a manager"

"Good job keeping it going"

What a c*nt

[Agony]

Biosketch

When David Moyes took the reins at Everton in March 2002, he inherited a club in freefall, with relegation from the Premier League a very real possibility. Having survived the drop from the top flight twice in the 1990s, the Blues appeared to have steadied the ship folllwing the appointment of Walter Smith in 1998.

Though Smith's managerial career in Scotland had been littered with trophies but he found life in England's top flight a good deal more challenging and, thanks to a run of just one League win in 13, his Everton side sat in 15th place when a 3-0 defeat at Middlesbrough in the FA Cup became the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back for chairman Bill Kenwright.

Over an 11-year tenure — at the time his longevity in the Goodison hotseat was bettered only by Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United and Arsene Wenger at Arsenal — Moyes patiently and successfully transformed Everton from bottom-half strugglers to a consistently top-eight team that came close to breaking into the elusive Champions League under his stewardship.

Along the way, Moyes would steer the Blues into Europe on four different occasions, to three cup semi-finals and one sadly ill-fated FA Cup Final against Chelsea in 2009 and had, despite an ever-decreasing budget for team-building, brought the club back to the brink of cracking the top four in his final season in charge.

2001-02

When Moyes was appointed on March 14, 2002, he had just nine games in which to arrest an alarming slide that had seen Everton drop from the safety of the top half of the Premier League to 15th. Under Smith, the Blues had won just once since the New Year, morale was dangerously low and the team was struggling badly for goals.

He would capture the imagination of the Everton faithful with his famous observation that "Everton is the People's Club in Liverpool" and his impact on the team was almost as instantaneous.

His Everton career was just 21 seconds old when David Unsworth rammed home the first goal under his stewardship in a home game against Fulham that the Blues went on to win 2-1 despite having Thomas Gravesen sent off.

The new man's enthusiasm and powers of motivation would prove invaluable in galvanising a squad that had been much maligned under his predecessor. Three more victories, including a goalfest at Derby County in his second match, and a draw at Leicester would be enough to secure safety with room to spare.

2002-03

Moyes's first season at Everton was a revelation, with the Blues spending an extended period in the heady heights of the Premier League top four and establishing themselves in the top six between November and May, only to fall into seventh on the final say of the season and miss out on Uefa Cup qualification to Blackburn Rovers.

This comparative succes was by virtue of a much tighter defence and a bit of extra luck needed to win games by a single goal — no better epitomized than by the remarkable run of five consecutive 1-0 victories in the autumn of 2002. Though they would put together one more run of three consecutive victories in the New Year, seven wins from their last 20 League games was not enough to keep Moyes's side in the top six.

Nevertheless, compared with the struggles in the wrong half of the table that had dogged Everton for years prior to his arrival, Moyes's initial impact had been impressive.

[The Observer — Moyes Own Story: Part 1 | Part 2

2003-04

If his first full season had been a pleasant surprise, Moyes's second was something of a reality check for all concerned and the manner in which his team's form collapsed in the final weeks of the campaign amid speculation that he had "lost the dressing room" would pose his second daunting challenge as Everton manager.

Things went awry for the Blues more or less from the outset of the 2003-04 campaign, with a return of just one win from their first five games. As Moyes tried to find the right balance in a team that now featured the precocious talents and attitude of one Wayne Rooney, that record didn't really improve until a purple patch of three wins and a draw from five league games in December that, in hindsight, kept the club in the Premier League that season.

The standard of football exhibited by his players deteriorated into a more direct approach that was short on guile and long on grit and physique while his increasing emphasis on hard work, effort, work rate, and other such industrial metrics didn't appear to sit well with many of his players, including — crucially — some of the veteran players.

The manager's intransigence in the face of resistance from his squad and the consequent impact on morale saw the Blues slump to the lowest points total in a season (using 3 points for a win) for any Everton side in over 100 years! Things had degenerated to such an alarming impasse that, as soon as the security of 39 points was attained, the players appeared to have given up in a sulk, culminating in the atrocious 5-1 at Manchester City on the final day.

2004-05

Though there were a multitude of factors involved in the departure in the summer of 2004 of arguably the best home-grown Everton player in decades, Moyes's inflexible approach may have been key to the loss Wayne Rooney.

His agent, Paul Stretford, was already doing everything he could to get Rooney out of Everton and on to greater, more lucrative things but his deteriorating relationship with Moyes was used as a primary motivator for his move to Manchester United (although the eventual £27m price tag would also prove massively important to the Blues' continued financial survival) and that, coupled with the meltdown in the Blues' season the previous spring, may have forced the manager to take a hard look at his style of management.

Moyes would later admit that he learned much from the shock of the 2002/03 season and he did indeed alter his approach, something that was both evident and impactful the following campaign. Though many pundits predicted that Everton would struggle without Rooney, Moyes and his players defied those negative prophesies and the odds by securing a fourth-placed finish for the first time in the Premier League era.

At the heart of that impressive campaign was a new-found resilience, defensive imperviousness and team spirit that saw the Blues grind out an impressive number of narrow, one-goal victories. Increasingly crucial also was Moyes's eye for players that had seen him draft in combative and committed attacking midfielder Tim Cahill from Millwall and, in January 2005, Mikel Arteta on loan from Real Sociedad to replace midfield linchpin Thomas Gravesen.

Both signings would thrive under Moyes's tutelage — they cost less than £2.5 apiece, would go down as two the biggest bargains of the Premier League era thus far — and they helped the Blues edge out Liverpool for the fourth and final Champions League place in a thrilling climax to the season.

2005-06

Moyes took EFC to 4th but he criminally failed to capitalise on the only window of opportunity he created to move the Club on. The lost opportunity was very much down to Moyes through a momentous series of transfer failures/non-transfers, leaving the squad at the beginning of a Championship League year depleted, paper-thin in most positions and devoid of quality and leadership. And playing the direst excuse for football. So one-dimensional and tactically homogenous that the whole world and his dog had worked out how to stop Everton winning for the rest of the season.

2006-07

Haven't seen any evidence in the 2 friendlies I've seen over the last week that Moyes has introduced a system whereby players actually run into space to receive the ball — as we all enjoyed watching so much in almost all the World Cup teams in Germany. It looks like he's going to play Beattie and Johnson as two centre forwards without buying any wingers or changing the system that continuously boots the ball in the direction of goal from centre-midfield, meaning there will now be two forwards receiving the ball with their backs to goal and having to beat the opposition's central defence every single time. Moyes extended Ferguson's contract to continue this useless and easily-defended (and boringly predictable) mono-option. Moyes has had four years to introduce some basic coaching on basic strategy — he hasn't done it so far, and it will be a miracle if we have a good season.

2007-08

I would take winning a cup each year, or even getting to a final as a sign that the side is genuinely competing and that Moyes is capable of competing at that level.

This year aside, why have the 6 years of Moyes never produced a cup run? The answer is simple - to win a cup match you have to set out to win — not set out to avoid defeat, and there is a fundamental difference in the mindset required for those two approaches.

Moyes does not possess the mindset to win games; he possesses the defensive don’t get beat approach - and that will never challenge the better teams. We might stifle them and draw a few games and even win the odd one, when they are less than focussed, but would they fear us in terms of losing to us? I think not.

2008-09

To be added

2009-10

To be added

He is dour, tactically aloof, very reactionary, and at times follows rather than leads. At times he could be brilliant — at Man City away, he had the players so fired up Everton destroyed them 2-0 and on top of that he nearly chinned Mancini. But then there are matches like Fiorentina away and the FA Cup Final where we meekly waved the white flag, crushed by the weight of negativity and the inferiorty complex that goes with.

2010-11

Moyes seemed confident after a good pre-season that included a trip to Australia, and didn't seem too concerned that his trabsfer budget was yet further contrained. It allowed only the

Regardless of what has gone before, what money is available, what the board do or don't do, a manager picks a team from the players who are fit, motivates the less able ones, decides the tactics and should adapt them to the circumstances. David Moyes should be judged on the results and performances on the pitch. Negative tactics and bizzare team selection and substitutions, downbeat press conferences and that stare of defeat on the sideline suggested Moyes was getting tired and jaded.

The energy he once infused into the players had gone, enthusiasm and hope had been replaced with frustration and the stark realisation that he can’t work the miracle every week. But it's not all about money: coaching is about tactics, reading the game, techinical ability, getting the best out of the players he has, noit whinging about the players he might have had. Moyes has assembled too many utility / journeymen so that the work ethic stands out rather than ability.

Moyes knew in the summer of 2010 that no funds were available so why come out with those words to Talksport. If he really wanted a striker then, he should have taken the original £6 mill that West Ham offered for Yakubu. He probably could have got about £2M more for Vaughan. There's the seeds for the cash for a new striker. Moyes knew the injury record of Saha, knew also that Anichebi and Yak were coming back from serious injuries. He was content to go into the season with a broken down attack.

There was a feeling that Moyes was in a comfort zone with his £65k-a-week wedge. He won't go head to head with Kenwright, as Kenwright bought him, body and soul. Hence he will not confront or lay bare his Chairman over lack of investment in the team.

Moyes is a great manager for a smaller club. A club that is battling relegation. Moyes gets them into mid-table or even higher, on a shoestring with no ambition. Moyes instills a backs-against-the-wall mentality, a them-against-us attitude. This would all befine if he was the manager of a small club. Everton were a small club when Moyes took over, constantly fighting relegation.

However, Moyes has rightly so taken Everton up a level, to where they should be, but Everton deserve more with their fanbase and history. The fans want more and are not content for midtable mediocrity.

Now, Everton need to be looking up rather than looking down. Firstly, the board don't have the money or the club doesn't generate the money to be able to push on, which is a management problem. Secondly, Moyes doesn't have the tactical nous to be a top manager. He has struggled with team selection when he has had options to choose from. The majority of his big money signings have been bad choices, his tactics have lacked against better teams/managers, e.g. in Europe. Moyes is simply not cut out to be a top manager.

Everton will not be a top team again whilst Moyes is manager and whilst the board can't provide funds. Unfortunately, it is a Catch-22. To sack Moyes could de-stabilise the club and ultimately lead to relegation, especially if they brought in a poor choice of manager, a manager that can't work without money as the board can't provide it.

You ccould also add our biggest ever home defeat, biggest ever away defeat, losing to the lowest placed league opposition in the cup and the lowest ever goals scored total in a season to Moyes' achievements too.

Yes, he kept Everton in the Premier League when his predecessor had threatend not to... but his dour negative tactics, defensive mindest, and maddening propensity for playing players out of position will be a more telling legacy than any "best of the rest" achievements that were forever limited by a lack of adventure and verve. He who dares wins... it's no wonder he's never won anything.

http://www.toffeeweb.com/club/managers/moyes.asp

[The Infamous]

guy was venting to the police

[The Infamous]

this everton supporter had the right idea

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/32094-How-long-before-dithering-david-moyes-is-sacked-or-resigns

and man made that post in 2010 funny how his same greivances have now become ours

moyes brainwashed everton to think they are basic and overacheivers

+1

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/32664-MOYES-OUT

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/62545-Moyes-The-ungrateful-irritant

"He is doing a very good job," said Moyes.

"He has very good players there. I always told them they could play without a manager because they are very well organised.

"But Roberto is doing a really good job keeping it going."

"Play without a manager"

"Good job keeping it going"

What a c*nt

lmaoo moyes is delusional never at moyes tenure did everton pose a threat to liverpool until rafa got sacked. Before that they were in relegation scraps. This guy is weak and he sounds salty about Martinez. Cos martinez being there has already made everton cup contenders something he never achieved in 10 years. Lol a few people bought his everton blueprint as well never convinced

[Zizouz]

talksport today

 

'he needs 3. . . at least 3 transfer windows before you see his team'

 

 imagine the condition United will be left in in three transfers windows' time

 

 

[Kompressor]

It'll at least be a work in progress, only way to judge it is in relation to what other teams are doing.

Anyone heard anything on the rumour that the Mata deal is being delayed due to United wanting to announce two deals Monday?

[Kompressor]

Hmm, that would be interesting but I'm hearing its something to do with Rooney and paying him even more money.

[The King]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Tee]

Hmm, that would be interesting but I'm hearing its something to do with Rooney and paying him even more money.

 

[Thizz]

Gonna be on £300k + a week 

[The King]

Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand going in the Summer.

Thats Rooney's salary sorted.

[The Infamous]

Loool thats ridicolous i would sell the twat. Wanting 300k when you are 29 and been paid by the club nicely over the years. Moyes is sniffing glue. Rooney isnt a player that should be on 300k imo

[Kompressor]

Like him or not he's the marquee player in the squad. He's the player that other players accross Europe would most like to play alongside. He's the biggest shirt seller and a symbolic sign to the rest of Europe who for the most part still view him in a light that has dimmed abit over here.

The affect of selling him on the rest of the squad also has to be taken into account.

[The Infamous]

Like him or not he's the marquee player in the squad. He's the player that other players accross Europe would most like to play alongside. He's the biggest shirt seller and a symbolic sign to the rest of Europe who for the most part still view him in a light that has dimmed abit over here.

The affect of selling him on the rest of the squad also has to be taken into account.

that is all true but will rooney score more than RVP? Answer is no. In your current system rooney shouldnt be a starter when everyone is fit and playing in their positions. hes scored goals this season but his play hasnt infected his team mates. I can see the reasons for keeping rooney he's a great striker.

[Yoshie]

Moyes will pay Rooney what he wants.